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'No chance' for Castlevania: Lords of Shadow 2 on Wii U

Coming from producer David Cox, when asked about Lords of Shadow 2 on Wii U.

Sorry to disappoint you but no chance.

I can't understand why the Wii U won't get the game. It's the perfect tie-in for Mirror of Fate! Thanks to Alan for the heads up!

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08 Jan 2013 03:09

Hawk wrote:Anyone starting to wonder if Nintendo just has bad dealings with their third parties? I mean, is it possible Nintendo's just a pain to deal with or they charge more to develop for their system? Maybe they have some really irritating and backwards policies.

Developers aren't turning down Nintendo ports simply because they're evil bastards or they don't like money.

My only other guess is that developers believe the more mature games simply won't sell well and they won't make up the cost and effort of porting. When a developer publicly says porting to the WiiU is "easy", we shouldn't necessarily take it as truth.

I'm convinced there's something to this poor third-party turnout besides developers just being dumb.


But that's the thing, though. Nintendo has been currently going all out to talk to third parties, so I'm pretty sure that they're doing whatever they can in their power to make sure that they appeal to third party companies. Also, last time I checked, Nintendo has been reaching out to indie devs for their eshop like crazy.
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08 Jan 2013 03:32

Quetzalcoatl2k wrote:
But that's the thing, though. Nintendo has been currently going all out to talk to third parties, so I'm pretty sure that they're doing whatever they can in their power to make sure that they appeal to third party companies. Also, last time I checked, Nintendo has been reaching out to indie devs for their eshop like crazy.


All we know is what people say in public, and it isn't always true. Remember how powerful specific "partners" said the WiiU was until people opened it up and found the truth? Nintendo says they're reaching out to publishers and indies. Developers say Nintendo's all hunky-dory. How do we know it's not a different story behind closed doors, and within the rules and documentation every developer must follow, but cannot be divulged? Yes, there are rules, guidelines, and stipulations to working on all consoles. There are certain standards to met before somebody like Nintendo gives the go-ahead on disc production. These rules are not openly discussed. I'm wondering if maybe Nintendo does not play as nicely as the other two console-makers do.

Of course, it is just a guess. Nintendo could be great to work with. Or they may have had a difficult past but right now they're being as accommodating an helpful to devs as they're making it sound. But when you look at third-party support for Nintendo stretching back almost to the SNES, and you try to come up with reasons, I can't help but start to wonder stuff like this.
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Anonymous
08 Jan 2013 03:44

Such a shame, a C-Grade God of War ripoff could of been the "Best God of War like game on the Wii U!"
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08 Jan 2013 04:09

well at least there's bayonetta 2 :D :D :D and ninja gaiden kasumi edition
still i'm disappointed but it is what it is , i would have love to feign interest in those kind of games (cinematic , overexposed industry darling, autoaim festival ) but it's not meant to be , not even a pc release what a shame , at a certain price it could have been nice

with those lists , i see that nintendo is pretty much willing to work (pay) anyone , so really that's too bad
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08 Jan 2013 04:36

Oh DARN. I hope we DON'T get DmC either. Then I won't have to play TWO sh*tty reboot cash-in franchises.
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08 Jan 2013 05:16

@ecco6t9
Oh so youve played it? Do tell?

Yea i didnt think so. Just because the first had many gameplay aspects from other games does not mean it was a clone or bad, or that this new one will be exactly like it, we dont even know yet.

Anyway this isnt surprising, like most devs they were probably already well into development and dont have any plans to revisit the series since this will be the last game in LOS universe. Dont know why everyone thinks 3rd party is turning nintendo down, all the games coming out now have probably been in development for a number of years and as we know most didnt even get wiiu dev kits in time for most of them.

Ill enjoy this and mirror of fate though, in this era your only limiting yourself by sticking to only one system.
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08 Jan 2013 05:20

This system is getting less attractive each day.
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08 Jan 2013 06:59

ddddd wrote:This system is getting less attractive each day.

Only if you dislike great games since Nintendo makes the best in the industry.

Why else would 3rd parties be complaining that they can't compete with their software?
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08 Jan 2013 08:20

So a lot of major 3rd party releases are passing up the Wii U. No worries. Nintendo will just have to sustain it's like it's done since the GC era.
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08 Jan 2013 08:35

Josh5890 wrote:Outside of Halo, Forza, and Gears, the 360 has no exclusives.
Mostly, but it does have a few others for 2013 I guess: http://img.gawkerassets.com/img/18ae6jz ... iginal.jpg
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08 Jan 2013 08:57

Awesome news to me. If third party developers stay away it will force Nintendo to expand their internal studios or die.
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08 Jan 2013 10:52

Hommy Maiden wrote:I would like the Japanese Konami team better, to come up with a REAL castlevania and music for Wii U.


Well met friend
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08 Jan 2013 11:03

quicklynow wrote:Awesome news to me. If third party developers stay away it will force Nintendo to expand their internal studios or die.

They've been expanding for quite some time.
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08 Jan 2013 12:03

void3953 wrote:
ddddd wrote:This system is getting less attractive each day.

Only if you dislike great games since Nintendo makes the best in the industry.

Why else would 3rd parties be complaining that they can't compete with their software?

Only if you think sales=quality. Nintendo software sells better on Nintendo hardware because that is what the audience is looking for.
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Anonymous
08 Jan 2013 12:53

No chance that I'll be spending $60 for the console version anyway.
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08 Jan 2013 13:17

gtt wrote:If it would be profitable, they would probably do it.

at least he was honest and said "no chance" instead of the bullshit "we don't want to do it unless we can do something unique with the gamepad!"



Exactly the world does not need a 4th platform. A full 4th platform with PC, 360, PS3, and Wii U ALL on the same page it sort of leaves the market over saturated. Bigger install bases on the other systems, makes you wonder how much money and effort does it really take to get the same game out the door on the Wii U? I love the machine, and it's quickly becoming my platform of choice. Right now I can understand why publishers are taking the position of wait and see as it costs so much money to develop full fledged games these days. Add on top of all this the mobile platforms and crap like Ouya, and you've got a slew of devices and machines that are competing for game time.

Honestly, I don't know what the next step is or where the market is headed. I only know what games I like to play, and Nintendo makes the best ones for my tastes. (most of the time.)
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08 Jan 2013 13:18

I've never played Lords of Shadow, but I'd play it if it came out for a system I owned...
I hadn't thought about it, but yes, Judgement was the ONLY Castlevania title to be released on the Wii unless you count Rebirth. At this point I'd be happy if Konami slapped a bunch of old Castlevania titles on a disc and called it a day, or if they'd release Bloodlines or SotN on the VC.
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09 Jan 2013 02:58

ddddd wrote:
void3953 wrote:
ddddd wrote:This system is getting less attractive each day.

Only if you dislike great games since Nintendo makes the best in the industry.

Why else would 3rd parties be complaining that they can't compete with their software?

Only if you think sales=quality. Nintendo software sells better on Nintendo hardware because that is what the audience is looking for.



The problem with that, is that with few exceptions (Wii Play, whatever else), most Nintendo developed or published titles ARE incredibly high quality, and do in fact tend to be some of the very best made, and most enjoyable to play games in the industry. That doesn't mean every game they make is "for everyone", not everyone is going to like EVERY game Nintendo puts out. I certainly don't. But on the flipside of that, not everyone likes the other "blockbuster" titles companies like EA, or Activision, or Ubisoft, or Sony or MS etc., either. Stacked up against the other "AAA" titles that come out every year though, Nintendo's own are, by and large, usually right there at the top of the list in "Game of the Year" type conversations.
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09 Jan 2013 05:46

ddddd wrote:
void3953 wrote:
ddddd wrote:This system is getting less attractive each day.

Only if you dislike great games since Nintendo makes the best in the industry.

Why else would 3rd parties be complaining that they can't compete with their software?

Only if you think sales=quality. Nintendo software sells better on Nintendo hardware because that is what the audience is looking for.

And if Nintendo went 3rd party and started making games for Sony and MS they would dominate sales on those systems as well.

What's your point?

That no one but you knows what a quality game is?
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09 Jan 2013 19:31

Devil_Rising wrote:The problem with that, is that with few exceptions (Wii Play, whatever else), most Nintendo developed or published titles ARE incredibly high quality, and do in fact tend to be some of the very best made, and most enjoyable to play games in the industry. That doesn't mean every game they make is "for everyone", not everyone is going to like EVERY game Nintendo puts out. I certainly don't. But on the flipside of that, not everyone likes the other "blockbuster" titles companies like EA, or Activision, or Ubisoft, or Sony or MS etc., either. Stacked up against the other "AAA" titles that come out every year though, Nintendo's own are, by and large, usually right there at the top of the list in "Game of the Year" type conversations.

Its still unreasonable to think only Nintendo makes great games, or that they all are factually the very best in the industry. Or in my particular case, that this console is worth its price just by first party games alone.

void3953 wrote:And if Nintendo went 3rd party and started making games for Sony and MS they would dominate sales on those systems as well.

What's your point?

That no one but you knows what a quality game is?

No, that selling a lot of units does not mean the game is good and better than others that sold less.
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10 Jan 2013 10:33

ddddd wrote:
void3953 wrote:And if Nintendo went 3rd party and started making games for Sony and MS they would dominate sales on those systems as well.

What's your point?

That no one but you knows what a quality game is?

No, that selling a lot of units does not mean the game is good and better than others that sold less.

True. But the only useable metric that we have is sales data.

Everything else is opinion.
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10 Jan 2013 14:35

Did they even have a Wii U kit when making Lords of Shadow 2?
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10 Jan 2013 14:37

Muigi wrote:Did they even have a Wii U kit when making Lords of Shadow 2?

Supposedly they did.

Konami has repeatedly told us Nintendo consoles are a bad match for their games.
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10 Jan 2013 16:53

M1 wrote:
Muigi wrote:Did they even have a Wii U kit when making Lords of Shadow 2?

Supposedly they did.

Konami has repeatedly told us Nintendo consoles are a bad match for their games.

Funny because Castlevania has traditionally done very well on Nintendo platforms. Sounds like a BS excuse to me. Of course this isn't really Castlevania as far as I'm concerned.
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11 Jan 2013 01:53

ddddd wrote:
Devil_Rising wrote:The problem with that, is that with few exceptions (Wii Play, whatever else), most Nintendo developed or published titles ARE incredibly high quality, and do in fact tend to be some of the very best made, and most enjoyable to play games in the industry. That doesn't mean every game they make is "for everyone", not everyone is going to like EVERY game Nintendo puts out. I certainly don't. But on the flipside of that, not everyone likes the other "blockbuster" titles companies like EA, or Activision, or Ubisoft, or Sony or MS etc., either. Stacked up against the other "AAA" titles that come out every year though, Nintendo's own are, by and large, usually right there at the top of the list in "Game of the Year" type conversations.


Its still unreasonable to think only Nintendo makes great games, or that they all are factually the very best in the industry. Or in my particular case, that this console is worth its price just by first party games alone.




Well sure, you have a bit of a point there. Except that I personally never said any such thing, nor even implied anything close to that.

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