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GoNintendo 'End of Day' thought - Where does the game industry go from here?



Had a lot of interesting thoughts today. Don't know how I feel about the industry right now. That's why I'm bringing up today's End of Day thought. Maybe your feelings can help me better understand mine. See you in a few, short hours.

As I stated earlier today, many people have been asking about my opinion of the Xbox One reveal earlier today. I just don't feel that it's right to dedicate an entire article to that opinion on GoNintendo. I have linked to my thoughts, which I shared on my personal Tumbler. For tonight's End of Day thought, I felt it more important to discuss the game industry in general.

There are more than a few analysts and gaming press that feel the industry is setting itself up for another crash. There's no denying that Nintendo brought the industry back from the brink of death with the NES, but are we really heading for another downward turn that really shakes the industry to its core? With the way things are going right now, I guess it could be possible.

The Wii U is on shaky ground sales-wise. The software just isn't there to support the platform as of right now. We're hearing the same third party woes that we've heard year after year with other Nintendo consoles. For Nintendo fans, this isn't anything new. For those that are trying to decide what console to pick up, the Wii U seems to be a tough sell at the moment. This can obviously be turned around, which all of us are hoping happens before the year closes out.

The PS4 has a lot of unanswered questions surrounding it. What will Sony do when it comes to used games? How much will this powerhouse cost? Will the touch pad on the controller actually be put to good use? Yes, some of these questions are minor ones that can be answered without batting an eyelash, but others could be make-or-break for some consumers.

The reaction to the Xbox One reveal has been mixed at best. Gamers seem to be very angry with the details for online connections and how games are handled. Will we really not be able to lend our friends game and have them play without a fee attached? Is the core gamer not Microsoft's focus? Do we really own the games we purchase? Again, these are things Microsoft can clear up, some of which they'll do at E3.

Nintendo, Sony and Microsoft are all facing some big issues right now. It can be said that all three need to convince the public that their system is worth our time/money. Will details of PS4/Xbox One push fans in Nintendo's direction? Is it possible that gamers that found plenty to enjoy last generation just won't join in for this round? Has the industry taken players for granted in some ways, while ignoring us in others?

I'm interested to hear what you think. What company do you see as best positioned to have a successful console 5 years from now? Does the industry have reason to worry about its future? How do you feel you're being treated? Leave a comment and let us know.

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22 May 2013 08:27

@Shonen

it will be like E3 2010 where Nintendo absolutely destroyed the pair of them and you get hundreds of articles popping up along the lines of "does E3 need a winner?" and "everyone wins E3" despite sony's disappointing press conference and Microsofts joke of a press conference.
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22 May 2013 08:41

NF wrote:EA Backpedaling on their Wii U statement is interesting, especially during the big 'reveal' which had quite the backlash. I suggest everyone read Rob Fahey's article on Games Industry. If you don't know about Rob and his commentaries... shame on you:
http://www.gamesindustry.biz/articles/2 ... -the-games

I was around for the crash of the 80's. Videogame giants thought they were invincible but then the rise of the Home Computer crushed them. How did this happen? Consoles back then started trying to become less of gaming and more like computers (remember the Colecovision Adam?). Now, exactly 30 years later, we are at it again, except instead of being like computers... they are trying to be TV's, PVR's, Music boxes, etc. This integration may have worked for the phone because phones are ubiquitous for portable person-to-person communication, so any extras is a bonus. Consoles don't have this luxury - you can play games on a PC and TV's are getting more and more powerful.

I don't believe gaming will die, though. For one, folks exaggerate the crash of the 80's - videogaming never went away... they just moved to home computers (many of the NES games were ports of those games). Instead, the number of blockbuster AAA games will be greatly reduced in favor of increased smaller development studios that go back to the basics. In the 80's, this lead to a renaissance of sorts for gaming that saw creativity explode beyond what was imaginable on consoles. We've somewhat seen something like it on phones, tablets, XBLA, PSN, Wiiware, 3DS e-shop, etc. Nowadays, the driving force is value and ease of access for gaming, things that are completely polar opposites of many AAA games today. It's ironic that AAA games are expensive at first but reach their 'true' value merely weeks after their release (facilitated by the used game market).



Everyone had or had to have or wanted to have computer add-ons and tie-ins. But none worked well and some didn't work at all.

Reminds me of the multi-media center push going on right now.

I think things are not selling because there is no zest for them right now. I can't see what MS and Sny have shown creating that, Nintendo, meanwhile, has some iconic franchises which can create sales, but don't be surprised I'd this generation is smaller than the last one - if there is not a complete crash.
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22 May 2013 08:47

I hope this industry crashes and burns. No sports games on the Wii U, no problem -- time to pull out my old Strat-o-matic board games.
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22 May 2013 09:05

Nintendo is at the best position:

(1) Money is always an issue, and Wii U can be offered for lowest forever
(2) Gamepad instantly makes the system more recognizable and exciting to the public (if they start advertising it...)
(3) More clear choice of an upgrade from Wii to Wii U
(4) Strong consistent first party games, making any third party ditching/failures non consequential
(5) More family orientated, and game focused - entertainment systems can be done without even having a console

Xbox One really missed an opportunitiy to be first with that kind of illuminiroom thing, and the name Xbox One is really a big mistake. I think it will fail to attract masses. Perhaps it won't be as bad as PS4, but Wii U with a strong lineup these coming holidays will be in the strongest position.
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22 May 2013 09:34

delpiero wrote:Nintendo is at the best position:

(1) Money is always an issue, and Wii U can be offered for lowest forever
(2) Gamepad instantly makes the system more recognizable and exciting to the public (if they start advertising it...)
(3) More clear choice of an upgrade from Wii to Wii U
(4) Strong consistent first party games, making any third party ditching/failures non consequential
(5) More family orientated, and game focused - entertainment systems can be done without even having a console

Xbox One really missed an opportunity to be first with that kind of illuminiroom thing, and the name Xbox One is really a big mistake. I think it will fail to attract masses. Perhaps it won't be as bad as PS4, but Wii U with a strong lineup these coming holidays will be in the strongest position.


It's kinda interesting that whilst the X1 and [and I'm presuming] the PS4 consoles themselves look [a little] more dissimilar than the Wii U to the Wii - the Wii U's primary controller is the most recognisably different from their tweaked controllers [Sony's the closest with their screen, which I've forgotten is for?].

I think the PS360 are gonna be a hard, hard weight for Sony and MS to get rid of than they think going into 2014.
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22 May 2013 09:45

Well.... Let's make this short.

The industry is changing! That's for sure. Never has there been so much money in the world of video games. Gaming has become such a big trend that, sadly, creativity is losing it's place. Developers can no longer be so free and creative as they once were or else EA and co will not pay them/release their games. This is going to result in more "upgrades". Look at the new CoD! I mean I liked the trailer, I really did. Must be the first CoD game that god a little bit of my interest even (must have been the dogs ;) ) but it's an upgrade in the end. You will have flashier graphics and your friends can watch you play and.... And... Well you are still supposed to run and gun. Nintendo, many times, get away with this. Just look at Mario 64 --> Sunshine --> Galaxy. It seems they evolve some and are not just upgrades. But Ninty don't always get away with it though according to some people. Well...I can agree with the MArio PArtty titles ;) Upgrades.

The good thing here is that I am not the only one who sees this and that's why indie devs have been popping up more and more recently. That is actually VERY good! I love Little Inferno, I love World of Goo and I love Journey!

And then the mobile game thing.. Oh man. There are so few dedicated games there. Just some quick cash-ins that also ruin quality. It's not that healthy for the industry I am sure. But it also has a positive side and that's they are cheap and accessible. Good to kill off some time.

Now, as I mentioned, money talks! And trend gamers will want upgrades. So there is going to be some sort of a crash eventually since we will be seeing less of new titles being such big blockbusters. But after those die out, there will be new ones to replace them.

The thing is with the PS4 and the XO is that they are PC boxes. So now it's gong to be easier to PORT games between the systems. That is good for developers and publishers for sure. But not as much for the console manufacturers. Those need exclusives for them to sell. When everything goes multiplatform then who the Hell needs a PC, PS4 and an XO? You only need one! And that in itself is a big problem. MS fucked up with the show of the XO for sure and just helped Nintendo somewhat out of the gutter even. Nintendo might have the advantage now when they show off their big guns at E3. But I sure do hope we get at least ONE new IP from them (could be a 3rd part exclusive for all I care. Just be an exclusive)

And this E3 should be one Hell of a show!

P.S: In 10 years though the gaming world will look very different.
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22 May 2013 09:55

Koopzilla wrote:"For those that are trying to decide what console to pick up, the Wii U seems to be a tough sell at the moment."
On the contrary, I think the Wii U now seems like the obvious choice. I wouldn't have the X-Box one if they were handing them out for free (because it would still cost me a fortune before it's all said and done). EA is already backpedaling on their zero support for the Wii U just hours after the X-Box One reveal. With Gamestop getting a large portion of their revenue from used games, I think they will really be pushing the Wii U for it's used games friendly policies, and backward compatibility. I don't see how Microsoft could have possibly screwed this up any more.

As far as the industry crashing again, I think that will come from very high development costs. We are seeing games that are selling over 2 million in a month being considered as failures. Nintendo is in by far the best position in those regards. I don't think it's such a bad idea they had to step back some from cutting edge technology. If a crash does happen, I think Nintendo will once again be the ones to save the industry.


All this. High development costs for nothing but fancy graphics and the requirement to sell an obscene number of games just to break even will cause a crash. And the lack of innovation.

The good thing is innovation is where Nintendo thrives.

Also, I really hope Nintendo has already had multiple conversations with the higher ups at gamestop over the past 18 hours. If they play their cards (and advertising!) correctly, the used game situation could be a huge boost to the Wii U. They need to form some kind of deal/relationship with gamestop to bring awareness to the used game issue.
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22 May 2013 09:58

It's too early to say who will wind up first next gen. The Wii was number one worldwide last gen (a fact many like to forget), but I'm not sure the Wii U will have the same mass appeal. They captured lightning in a bottle with the introduction of motion controllers...it's harder to see what the "point" of a tablet controller is (I struggled with that myself before I got my Wii U). That's not to say it'll be a failure-it doesn't have to finish first to be deemed a success.

But, I think the industry is in trouble, and M$'s reveal yesterday only adds to those concerns. They've made even more moves that are not friendly to the consumer (sorry, but not making your hardware backwards compatible makes zero sense and removes a HUGE selling point), and examples abound of how quickly people will walk away because of that (see JCPenney for a very good example). Thing is, if Sony goes the same route (and that is unclear at this point, at least as far as fees for used games and such), I can absolutely see people shunning both. Nobody likes to be nickle and dimed, and with the leap to the next gen not being so readily apparent it'll be harder for people to see the value in those consoles. They're certainly not evolving gameplay any...it's the same old, same old, just ostensibly prettier and with even more fees. Yay?
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22 May 2013 10:42

honestly, I see this mess, I see the PS4 and Xbox1 (man they really suck at finding good names) and I think it's safe to think that if gamers start to buy in a clever way for a change, they'll go PC for softcore stuff, smartphones for casual and nintendo for nintendo stuff.

That being said gamers rarely act in a clever way, so we'll see. But it would be the logical development imo. Rise of pc gaming, android/ios (I'm not sure if ouya is going to be relevant, we'll see) and nintendo performs honorably thanks to their own licences and because they are the one who try to differentiate themselves. Contrary to the others who go like "hey we're doing the same stuff as on pc, but for more money and with graphics that will not stand the comparison after a year"! Yeah, not sure this is going to work.
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22 May 2013 10:57

microsoft and sony will sell games directly to users for the same price, pre order foolishness included, they will offer some rent services also. Basically the growth will come from killing gamestop, gamefly and private transactions on amazon, ebay. More revenue for them, more to "share" with enthusiast third parties . Bad for consumers obviously, but a few sales here and there will make them all forget about those psn xbla games they left behind . As if minecraft would actually benefit from those new platforms, for instance. The only thing transferring are freaking gamerscore and trophies, what the heck. Of course x86 version of some games were possible, but ms took those 400 millions and use them for a Us only tv channel instead
Craziest thing, i don't think nintendo would have opposed that move, they already have the means to deliver content, already day one , minute one even game sale. So yeah, why didn't ea, activ and ubi asked nintendo clearly, if you don't do that, it's going to be bad for you. Maybe nintendo would only have kept online free (because yeah sony is not going to do that) , maybe even only for their own titles (mario kart, monster hunter)

one appeasing thing is that all that fanboy trolling from every echelon of EA boiled down to wanting a part of that sweet free money. Free money because like dlc can be just 5% of withheld content, stopping all used games sales OR getting a fee for, that is extra money for the same work .

Also clearly, the industry will never move on to a pointer solution like the wiimote, the wiimote+, the touchscreen, gyro aiming, nope just plain analog with massive aim assist and autoaim . Not even as an alternate way to control.

ps4 and xb1 proved that NO there wasn't any gameplay not possible before, by them at least, not even a pretend immersion through hyper scripted scene. That was the worst part. Looking back at what nintendo showed, yep those were and are actually new gameplay ideas and some possible with the new controls . Maybe people don't like that because they have a gun fetish, but they are factually more different than two fps are with one another at least.

I'm semi disappointed the 100$ with disc drive 360 doesn't exist, i would have bought some USED GAMES for that, and maybe some xbla titles that are not on pc like hardcorps and .... well i would have played the demos.


I don't want to be a part of that industry, those games were ridicule and the cost are way too high. Not allowing used game sale is just a slap in the face of many. It's different from having to pay them again an extra fee, it's destructing that system. I never actually buy used for games released in the last year or two, but still i was thinking hey maybe as a fourth platform with libraries from both generation, it would be nice to have access to that three years down the road.

I will obviously keep my steam account, i know full well that those sales are only possible because most buyers view it, more exactly their money is primary used to buy 360 and ps3 games, then of course the cheap prices are possible, it's over priced for double dipping and "collecting". I just don't think i will even bother upgrading the whole thing.
Well at least, maybe people learned their lessons and realized indies are for the pc not xbla and psn . I'll buy on wii u if i can't run it (most likely but didn't really happened yet) or they make great use of the wii u controls which includes in my view multiplayer gaming. Online of course is best, but even locally trine 2 is a blast , with all three pointers or of course the 3d screen of the 3ds.
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22 May 2013 11:24

It seems from your description that Sony has this console gen in the bag. The only thing Sony had to do is not make microsofts mistake and make sure the price is affordable which we all know they will do since PS3 crushed them in the billions of dollars. I look forward to seeing Wii U making a turn around at e3 and sony possibly leading this console gen by going all out this e3.
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22 May 2013 11:26

I'm a little confused on Xbox one. They allow you to keep profile history, but ZERO access to the 360's games digital or retail, and an "Always on" Kinect? Not too sure. Same about PS4.

Nintendo needs to/should continue, but maybe they'll add that phone capability they referenced/patented so long ago, and just choose to go head to head with Apple, releasing a tablet with 3D capabilities.

All in all, I'm not liking where the industry is going. I may just move to Steam and stay there outside of my 3DS.
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22 May 2013 11:49

between Xbox One and PS4 ... i didn't see ANYTHING gaming related that i couldn't already do on an affordable pc/linux box with a pair of quality gpu's ... even their 'multimedia' percs are all things i can do on a pc/linux box (switch quickly between apps, stream video etc...)
Wii U is the only home based machine that actually offers hardware innovation. My only concern is how the hell do I afford to purchase all the 3DS and Wii U titles i'll want in the next 3-12 months
part of me wishes that the wii u and 3ds were just morphed into one single device... which i'll bet is what nintendo will be dropping for the next gen (yes, im already talking the next next gen!)
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22 May 2013 12:03

If it's possible, I think most gamers will get a Wiiu AND a PS4. If PS4 could play Zelda, Mario, etc. they would just buy the PS4. That is hardly news. But here's the thing: I'm not sure MS really wants to be in the gaming business, almost like they are embarrassed or something. Nintendo products are unabashedly toys. PS3 was, for many people, their "big boy" console. So was 360. Nintendo was for kids because toys are for kids, and by that logic fun is for kids. That was why after owning a PS1 and XBOX1 (the first one) I quit playing games. They weren't fun anymore. I bought a Wii because it looked fun and with the VC was a promise of the classic games I had loved before without the hassle of wires/ maintence, whatever. The VC was pretty good, but failed to live up to it's promise.
But I have never seen an industry so unfriendly to it's customers. NA wants Earthbound? No going to happen. A consistent release schedule of titles? Good luck. The fact that Operation Rainfall had to be a thing speaks volumes. I don't want to single out Nintendo, but buying and rebuying SMB is getting old. And they are probably the most customer friendly of all three console makers!
The new X1 is just plain creepy and is loaded down with crap that I'm not sure anyone wants. It seems like MS wants to put their hand in your wallet and keep it there. The forced use of Kinect alone is mind boggling. Remember all the bitching about "waggle"? Well, that times 1000. There are so many things that are off-putting about X1 that I don't want to get into right now, but the used game thing just blows me away with it's audacity. Like it or not, people like to swap, borrow, trade, resell and buy used games. Or even take it to a friend or family member's home and play together. I own a lot of games. About a third were bought used. Another third were games I NEVER WOULD HAVE BOUGHT if I hadn't bought the first game in the series used and liked it. No More Heroes, Red Steel, Excitebots, etc.
Used games can potentially help sales if the product is good. When Nintendo pisses off the public, (friend codes, overpricing the 3ds,the youtube thing) it seems they actually are that ignorant or quirky. But they never come off as overly hostile or unwilling to listen... eventually. X1 seems to create reasons for me NOT to buy the console. I don't know where the industry might be headed, but if EA thinks you are on the right track, do something else. I'm willing to bet the Sony guys are scrambling to make last minute changes to PS4 stuff after seeing the X1 fiasco. Like it or not, Sony and MS tend to think alike. MS might totally pull a rabbit out of a hat, but it took Wiiu a few months to be considered a flop, a failure, whatever. It took MS ONE press conference.
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22 May 2013 12:07

PC is the future here. Wii U gets Smash so instabuy and PS4 could win me over but it ain't doing it at the moment. Xbox One... Cool Sky box.
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22 May 2013 12:13

I personally think the all in one entertainment console sounds nice on paper but is far from reality. Their is always that one little thing that everyone is missing or can't do that makes us as consumers use multiple devices and keep our options open. Bottom line, I am NOT an Microsoft/Xbox Fan. I live in the Apple/Nintendo universe. I have a PS3 as a Blue Ray player (it was a wash when I got it vs stand alone blu rays). I'm 43 and have been playing games since Atari 2600 with 2 daughters and a wife that don't give a rat's *** about big console games. They are too busy playing Temple Run and Angry Birds or some Word Game for 15 minutes on iPad, iPod Touch, Kindle Fire in between something else or in the car. Personally, I have no interest about getting schooled by some 8 year old at a sports game, or 1st Person Shooter rehash. I also hate games where I have to watch a 5 minute cut scene to play for 3 minutes and then another cut scene. They are called MOVIES. I want something that is simple, easy to pick up, playing in little bits or sessions, mobile, FUN and transferable. Right now WII U/3DS is it for me. They unify those into one account or system, add in a little entertainment functionality (that actually works-talking to you Netflix on 3DS), give me a separate router or tv box like AppleTV so I can play my Wii U all around the house and not just within 20 feet of the box in my basement or let me load up games or pieces of games on the gamepad and take with me, and I will be a happy camper. I think smaller episodic games are a great way for Nintendo to find a happy medium between EPIC and Quick/Family. The WII magic is gone, time to think about creating for 3 years in the future. Also, a WII U + or whatever you want to call it in 4 years is the way to go, the idea of 6-10 year console cycle is dead. One last thing, all console producers have lost the current generation of kids forward from any long term growth (again I reference my kids 10/13 and younger). Right now all consoles are for the most part fighting for a fixed and diminishing number of current console owners. At some point they will stop (I know this might be my last generation of console purchase even though I LOVE video games).
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22 May 2013 12:19

@wiired Yep, and Iwata has been saying that for awhile now. As the development time takes longer to take advantage of tech, gameplay suffers most of the time, and the cycle for a game to come out becomes longer and longer. Meanwhile on release, it will continue to struggle to impress buyers based on just visuals.

Its completely ironic to finally see the grim reaper of graphics over gameplay. Those who valued the graphics over everything time and time again over the generations will now become FORCED to either put up your best gameplay efforts or get out of the industry. We are going to see this stuff play out, granted, the ps4 and xb1 will have features like instant switching between content and other good things about it, in the end it doesn't make much difference for all of us who have had no real problem waiting for some load time here and there, the game is whats important.

It might be that for this generation you will decide from the 3 giants:
which console is the right Xbox One Playstation 4 Wii U ?
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22 May 2013 12:44

scikoolaid wrote:@wiired

Its completely ironic to finally see the grim reaper of graphics over gameplay. Those who valued the graphics over everything time and time again over the generations will now become FORCED to either put up your best gameplay efforts or get out of the industry.


That was beautiful! =)
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22 May 2013 12:57

:)


Oh man, NeoGaf has made my day: http://www.neogaf.com/forum/showthread.php?t=562549

Don Mattrick: "If you're backwards compatible, you're really backwards"


HAHAHAHA
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22 May 2013 13:20

I have been saying the same thing RMC about the industry going through a crash sooner or later because let's face it folks, History ALWAYS repeats itself.

i left the video game industry last year after being in the industry for 5+ years and I could tell that the video game crash is going to happen due to all these over budget million dollar games, more game studio's are closing at an all time high these days than back then, etc.

However, I firmly believe there will ALWAYS be video games being released by someone at all time but I think it will be the PC that will dominate in the LONG run rather than video game consoles. Homebrew/Indie games are rising big time lately and there are even people releasing games for FREE on their own time as well.
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22 May 2013 13:31

There wasn't a crash, but there was a major contraction in the mid nineties. That was when the 3DO and Jaguar and CDI and cd-add ons and FMV games were polluting the market. Super NES and Genesis won the day, but then both companies shot themselves in the foot with their next generation. The rest is history.

I've grown completely pessimistic about Nintendo. I think the Wii U is a Saturn size bomb. Every thing I read about it says that Nintendo got arrogant and lazy after the success of the Wii.
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22 May 2013 13:57

Hmm...a tricky subject. I am optimistic on owning my Wii U (and 3ds for that matter). I believe...practically KNOW...that Nintendo will put out the games that I truly enjoy playing. My feelings on Xbox One and Playstation 4 are mixed, but mostly not good. I have never owned a Sony console in my life. I bought Xbox 360 to play Kameo and Banjo Kazooie, but otherwise, it has basically been useless to me. I bought all my Guitar Hero games for Xbox 360, and found a few fun games (Enslaved Odyssey to the West!!), but mostly it has not been worth it. I doubt I'll be buying Xbox One, especially if all these fees are true. I rarely buy used games, but I don't even want to pay for Xbox Live. I had it one year, and never renewed. I hardly used it. I was on my Wii or DS! :mrgreen:

The only thing that could make me consider Xbox One or Playstation 4 in the future is a handful of games I REALLY wanted to play. If Xbox is remaking Banjo Kazooie or Conker, that could factor into consideration. Although, I need to know more about the online aspect. Is it mandatory to be online? My internet connection is shaky (dsl). Is $60 a year Xbox Live mandatory? No thank you. I would like to have a console that has a blu-ray player, since I have no way to play them....but there is a lot more I will have to consider before thinking of buying one of these.

Lastly, I'd like to add that I agree with RMC on all the 'social media' in games being annoying and unnecessary. Some may like it, but I feel it takes away (or just distracts) from the game experience. I'm disappointed all three consoles are doing it. I'm just glad Nintendo is the ''lesser of evils'' with Miiverse.
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22 May 2013 15:38

I see this being a generation for PS4. I hope Nintendo get their Wii U successful, though. A lot of great titles announced.
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22 May 2013 15:46

thedreadpirateguy wrote:I'm a little confused on Xbox one. They allow you to keep profile history, but ZERO access to the 360's games digital or retail, and an "Always on" Kinect? Not too sure. Same about PS4..


Yeah, I hear that you pretty much just keep your LIVE gamerscore?

If so, the fact that had more prominence to MS over games is just... Wow.

scikoolaid wrote:@wiiredIt might be that for this generation you will decide from the 3 giants:
which console is the right Xbox One Playstation 4 Wii U ?


... Brilliant. :mrgreen:

i_am_error wrote:between Xbox One and PS4 ... i didn't see ANYTHING gaming related that i couldn't already do on an affordable pc/linux box with a pair of quality gpu's ... even their 'multimedia' percs are all things i can do on a pc/linux box (switch quickly between apps, stream video etc...)


So true - not even the 'look at all those game-changing particles!!' UE4 engine was trumpeted at these shows.

Multi-media game boxes in a world ruled by Tablets and Smartphones? Boy, the likes of MS [especially] are in for a bumpy ride convincing consumers to purchase via that avenue!
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22 May 2013 20:48

I don't know, but if people endorse M$ practices with the Xbox One, the industry deserves to crash again.

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