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Postby robometal cowboy » 11 Dec 2012 14:52

Pachter - Microsoft/Sony are 'destroying' Nintendo, Iwata oblivious, Reggie is 'phenomenal'
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The following comments come from Michael Pachter...

On Nintendo vs. Sony and Microsoft...

“I don’t hate Nintendo, but my job is to help investors make decisions about stocks. Nintendo has ¥8000 in cash per share and the stock trades at ¥9600. It used to trade at ¥63,000. The equity has declined in value by $80 billion. That’s why I’ve been critical. Sony is struggling (relative to last year), with overall sales on its various hardware down almost 20%. Microsoft is doing fine, with software sales hanging in there. Both are destroying Nintendo, which had software sales in November that were 60% of Sony’s and 30% of Microsoft’s.”

On Reggie Fils-Aime...

“He’s excellent at his job (which is primarily marketing and distribution/relationship management), and I think he does a phenomenal job with the cards he has been dealt. He is a first class human being, and I am better for knowing him.”

On Iwata, casual gamers, handhelds and not being hateful...

"Mr. Iwata seems oblivious to the fact that fully half of the historical market for handheld games is a casual consumer, and they are increasingly shifting to mobile and tablet gaming and away from dedicated handheld consoles. The 3DS is a great device, but at the casual end of the spectrum, can’t compete with free-to-play games

The things I say aren’t hateful…I would love for all three platform holders to succeed, as I think it ensures consumers with greater choice; unfortunately, each platform holder has a slightly different strategy, and I don’t think all will succeed to the extent they have in the past.”

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Postby SuperNictendo » 11 Dec 2012 14:55

Hmmmm....all doom and gloom but the way he worded things this time makes me not hate him as much....but then again..SHUTUP PACHTER!!
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Postby Aaronrules380 » 11 Dec 2012 14:56

Even if half of the tradiitonal handheld base were casuals, it doesn't mean handheld systems will be a failure from now on. The DS sold over 100 million units and that's ignoring the psp's sales which were fairly substantial as well. So even if we halved that, we'd get over 50 million units sold which is still fantastic, and those units would probably have a higher amount of software bought per unit, so while it may never be as good, the blow is nowhere near fatal
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Postby shingi70 » 11 Dec 2012 15:00

DOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMEEEEEEEEEEEDDDDDDDD.

Well see next year. That's the besst time to truely see where thw iiis at.
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Postby lz20xx » 11 Dec 2012 15:01

I bet there will be a lot of comments that will ignore his reasoning and his praise for reggie. such is the typical stubborn fanboy
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Postby JJJJJJJJJ » 11 Dec 2012 15:02

"I don’t hate Nintendo, but my job is to help investors make decisions about stocks."

Yes, he does hate Nintendo. If his job is to make accurate predictions for investors, then why does he unilaterally predict bad things for Nintendo regardless of what they do? And conversely, predicts good things for Sony regardless of what they do? He was generally positive about the Vita's situation before launch where he was generally negative about the 3DS, for example. However, if you even took a glance at the public response of the two devices and the history behind them, you would predict the 3DS would sell more. Which is exactly what happened.

I think people need to get the idea out of their head that those "inside in the industry" (bloggers and analysts and whatnot) are above fanboy mindsets. There's even a couple developer fanboys, such as Shin'en for Nintendo.
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Postby Aaronrules380 » 11 Dec 2012 15:05

Honestly, my biggest problem with Pachter right now is he seems to be of a completely black and white mentality. Either something is a huge success or a complete failure with no middle ground. Its the same with fans. You really can't judge success in entirely relative terms, because it is *shock* possible for every console to be a success. Least or less successful does not equate to an utter failure every single time
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Postby NightsOwl » 11 Dec 2012 15:06

lz20xx wrote:I bet there will be a lot of comments that will ignore his reasoning and his praise for reggie. such is the typical stubborn fanboy

Praising Reggie isn't really praising all that much, especially since it was a dry and quick compliment.
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Postby LegendofSantiago » 11 Dec 2012 15:08

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Postby joshb1983 » 11 Dec 2012 15:08

Of course Sony and Microsoft are doing better stock wise. They are not gaming companies. Gaming is a fraction of their buisness. Looking at just their gaming, Nintendo DESTROYED them this gen. Even when the Wii was "dead" it was holding its own in sales. In Japan, Nintendo dominates. The rest of his comments I pretty much agree with, other than saying dedicated handhelds are dead.
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Postby CCFanboy » 11 Dec 2012 15:14

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Fx7Z5B3wWmE

Nintendo are standing on their own field. Also I like how he highlights this handhelds again yet never ever ever ever ever ever notes that vita is hanging by a limb. You clearly hate nintendo because you never once spout this garbage towards the others.
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Postby internet » 11 Dec 2012 15:22

well that youtube video sums it up really nice
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Postby MaggotCakes » 11 Dec 2012 15:28

Aaronrules380 wrote:Honestly, my biggest problem with Pachter right now is he seems to be of a completely black and white mentality. Either something is a huge success or a complete failure with no middle ground. Its the same with fans. You really can't judge success in entirely relative terms, because it is *shock* possible for every console to be a success. Least or less successful does not equate to an utter failure every single time



THIS IS CORRECT. Dude I can't stand When people call the 64 and the gamecube FAILURES in their generation... Each was a success in many different ways.. ... changing the way we play games ... just cause they sold less doesn't mean they failed... They established a base... made a bit of money... and games released for them... for a whole generation... that's successful...

The Wii was a fluke (for lack of a better word)... It could have been as much a failure as it was a success... but it turned out massively popular... that should not be the Bar for normal... cause it isn't normal... Nor is microsoft's "Fastest Selling electronic device ever" the biggest CON of the 21st century ... the Kinect ... (Shipping 10,000,000 units to retailers as fast as you can apparently means it's popular) ... but my whole point is...

...I agree
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Postby kmc2482 » 11 Dec 2012 15:30

one point, companies will NEVER be more profitable year after year after year forever, just doesn't work that way....sustainable business models are what is needed. Nintendo will be fine like always.
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Postby kdognumba1 » 11 Dec 2012 15:36

I don't think Nintendo is getting destroyed by anybody. They had a successful launch for a new platform given the supplies that they had, they're selling new and old platforms pretty well during this time, and while they don't currently have the highest retail software sales, there push to digital has been very successful in all regions.

The demand for their current platforms is nowhere near as high as the demand for the previous platforms, yes, but it doesn't change how there systems are currently doing. During the week of Black Friday, while the 360 was the top selling system, Nintendo had the most sales across all their hardware and it was by a substantial margin.
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Postby KingJames7 » 11 Dec 2012 15:39

Sony and Microsoft are destroying Nintendo in what lol? Computer OS sales and TV sales?
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Postby beta4attack » 11 Dec 2012 15:40

I never thought that he could go lower than he was... it turned out that I know NOTHING! D8
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Postby McDaniel-77 » 11 Dec 2012 15:42

Huge profits, fewer profits!

Since it's a non constant business, what's the problem? 3DS sales are betten than NDS sales. Did Pachter complain about how weak NDS sales were? What did Pachter say about PS-Vita sales? What did Pachter say about, that PS3 sold only 1/2 of PS2? That's a 50% decline in sales from one generation to the other? What did he say?

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Postby austrian » 11 Dec 2012 15:54

what investors with right minds would listen to him?
This is a serious question.
He was sooo often completly wrong with his predictions and he keeps comparing nintendo with sony/ms.
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Postby ronnande » 11 Dec 2012 16:19

Comparing Nintendo with Sony/MS are infact totally mindless, and shows that Patcher know very little about the current business he is supposed to be an expert in. Comparing a relatively small specialist vidogaming company to a huge general electronics megacorporation and an even bigger general software/OS giant are just wrong in so many ways.
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Postby ecco6t9 » 11 Dec 2012 16:21

But Reggie isn't good at his job anymore. It's time for him to go back to VH1 and put someone with a Nintendo background in power.
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Postby keyz » 11 Dec 2012 16:35

How many times has Pachter doubted Nintendo but they ended up proving him wrong? How many times has Nintendo proved EVERYBODY wrong? Who had the best selling handheld and console last gen? Aren't 3DS and Wii U sales outpacing their predecessors at the same time in their lifespans? Yeah consoles are sooooo dead Pachter. How long were Sony and Microsofts GAMING divisions unprofitable for? You know because investors sure do love a company who's major division is unprofitable. Weren't different investors speculating that Sony was going to get out of the console business all together? This guy is a tool and has been for about 10 years now.
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Postby KingBroly » 11 Dec 2012 16:59

I don't think Microsoft and Sony are destroying Nintendo at the moment, particularly Sony. Sony is in dire straights at almost every corner right now. Microsoft is Microsoft, but they're dealing with declining PC sales, negativity surrounding Windows 8, Windows Phone and Surface not meeting up to expectations, etc. While Xbox 360 is their biggest "success" at the moment, it's not matching the success the Wii had in its' early years, meaning it's impossible for 360 to catch up in the timespan Microsoft wants it to.

What Nintendo's problem right now is helping customers identify that Wii U is different from Wii and 3DS is different from DS. While they're completely botched it on the 3DS, they still have time with the Wii U. I think they need the right piece of software to do it, but putting New Super Mario Bros. U out at launch isn't going to help sway people to say 'this isn't a Wii.' Just like putting Pokemon Black 2/White 2 out on DS isn't helping 3DS sales all that much either. Wii U needs a high calibur, graphics-bending game while 3DS needs its' 3D Pokemon game ASAP.

Reggie seems like a cool guy, but I agree with Pachter that he probably doesn't have a lot of control or say in what the company does, even though his words help the company grow coming off the Gamecube. Why Iwata has seemingly decided to stick him in a corner these last few years is beyond me.
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Postby Linkdsdx » 11 Dec 2012 17:00

Time and time again, I feel the need to have to say this... Stop listening to Pachter please!! We keep giving him attention that's why he doesn't just disappear. All his comments are bias BS he says to stir up emotion in the Nintendo Fanboy community to gain more attention and fame. We, The Nintendo Fans, have to stop posting, listening, and acknowledging his existence. Anyone with any knowledge of the gaming industry knows what he says is pure speculation and support by a quarter of the actual facts.

So please, lets stop listening to him because nothing he says makes any sense and he's not even a Gamer... Why are we as real gamers listening to this guy. If we keep posting stuff about him, might as well start posting quotes from parents who disapprove of videos games too. As well as random thugs on the street who think CoD is the best thing to ever come out since sliced bread...
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Postby scikoolaid » 11 Dec 2012 17:33

The Wii U has a year to start showing its purpose, will we get games comparable to how Metroid Prime showed up for the Gamecube and blew everyones minds? Will we see games that should have a place on every console? Star Fox/F-Zero? Will there be less abuse of sequels like Mario Party 324234 instead of not reinventing games before just refreshing them directly?

I want the Wii U to be like Super Nintendo was, so many original games, all so good in their own right, there was no point in trying to pick favorites, you had to get all of them.
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