The Wii U. Has Nintendo Convinced You Yet?

[LegendofZelda1996]

Do you think that the Wii U will succeed or fail to attract "hardcore gamers?"

Personally, I think the Wii U will fail to attract "hardcore gamers" for these reasons:

1.) Third party developers are either ditching Nintendo or making crappy rushed ports for Nintendo's consoles.
2.) The name Wii U sounds like a video game console for casual gamers.
3.) Nintendo's online capabilities are terrible. (Even though Nintendo did improve their online capabilities with the Nintendo 3DS)
4.) Nintendo of America's ignorance to localize Xenoblade, The Last Story, or Pandora's Tower to North America which causes "hardcore gamers" to lose trust in Nintendo.

[gtt]

I think it will fail to attract the ps3/360 only gamer.

1)it's not going to much more powerful that these systems if at all.
2)the third party support won't be there, I know it, you know it, nintendo knows it.
3)the online will continue to be terrible. worst kept secret ever.
4)the controller is a monstrosity, different for difference's sake isn't always a good thing. (if they release a wireless ccpro you can ignore this one)
5)no hard drive, any on board storage will probably be tiny, this doesn't help convince third parties to port or make new games for your system. dlc is getting more and more important to them every day. they want to be assured their customer will be able to buy and download without worrying about storage space.
6)the name is terrible and will confuse the casual gamer, this will lead to not enough units moved to attract the third parties. this will lead to a lack of games that the 'core' gamer wants.
7)NoA's apparent desire to actively push away their current loyal core gamer base.

[thresholdXCI]

Literally impossible to tell. Launch is going to be key though. More so than usual. They're sacrificing future technology advances for a year or two's headstart on PS4/ 720. So Nintendo need to establish themselves before they launch. Some of this goes without saying, but I'd say the most important factors will be:

- Exclusive AAA hardcore games to attract PS3/ 360 owners, both at launch AND in the following months. It takes more than slightly superior ports of multi-platform games and a shiny tablet controller to get people to buy a new system. Nintendo might make some of the best games, but while quality over quantity is generally good, for the last few gens Nintendo's first party has left some unacceptable lengths between big releases some years.

- Competetive pricing. I mean really competitive. If Microsoft and Sony are launching systems at a loss, and Nintendo is making a profit off of every sale, it's not rocket science to work out who's offering the most value for money. I know Nintendo isn't in the situation to be able to finance selling at massive losses for half a generation, but they can't do a 3DS again. Price it right down to as low as possible FIRST. Remember, gamers have games to buy.

- Feature rich system. Seriously it might be able to push a few more polygons and render more detailed textures, but if it's got no Blu-ray player, no media players or functionality with media servers or any of those fancy bells and whistles - it's still playing catch up to some last gen technology. Fan boys are deceptively few and far between, the only other early adopters are the gadget lovers and technophiles amongst us.

- A good marketing campaign. Don't have to be all brash like Sony's campaigns, but definitely don't launch with anything too Fisher Price. Hardcore gamers are the most likely to see beyond market image, but you want it to look sleek and cool don't you?

*Edit* If there are many typos or grammatical mistakes above, I apologise. I'm tired and it's late.

[bfx9]

you all are right.

i enjoy all three systems. i could care less about 3rd party crossover games on wii u. i'm gonna play third party
online games on the 360 (like battlefield), because all my friends are on the 360 and it has the best easiest online interface.
nintendo better have a superior friends, matchmaking online system to have any chance (yeah right).

third partys are gonna be hesitant to put killer exclusive HD titles that cost tons to make on wii U until it
proves itself, which me not happen for some time and may not happen at all because ps3/360 owners probably wont defect from those systems.

it's gonna come down to the wii u tablet controller providing some massive advantage, when comparing third party games, and with the extra cost, risk and time for a third party to make a cross platform game superior on the wii U
is again, unlikely.

this is gonna be another wii, except it won't do as well because people feel burned spending all that money on wii. the wii is the best selling system ever that doesn't get turned on. it's a one or two game system for many and those games get old fast.
it's lack of a good online, DLC, game patches ect ect have caused people to let the wii collect dust.

the decision making by nintendo has been ponderous, like porting crappy games to 3d, not localizing quality games
and playing the parent.

expect the same and some additional errors like the 3ds situation.

[Rock Lobster]

I think it really depends on how they advertise it as the Wii U gets closer to launch. If Nintendo makes ads that convey the system's hardcore nature and all the games coming its way, then it could have a much better chance of weaseling its way into the hearts of 360/PS3 gamers.

[bfx9]

i doubt they will because they don't know how. their top management are all from unrelated industries.
nintendo doesn't listen to outsiders much and seem clueless at many timesjust like the botched metroid prime 3 launch with its lack of advertising.
nintendo is really out of touch. reggie and his crew have been genius at attracting the casual market, but
all the promises to satiate the hardcore have been smoke, just like reggie rationalizing animal crossing
as a big core title back at e3 1998 because nintendo had it's worst show that left true gamers in the dust.

until nintendo shoes the desire and skill to target the hardcore gamer, i'm not believing wii u will be any different.
this current management just can't do that (not that its an altogether bad thing)

[gtt]

i doubt they will because they don't know how. their top management are all from unrelated industries.
nintendo doesn't listen to outsiders much and seem clueless at many timesjust like the botched metroid prime 3 launch with its lack of advertising.
nintendo is really out of touch. reggie and his crew have been genius at attracting the casual market, but
all the promises to satiate the hardcore have been smoke, just like reggie rationalizing animal crossing
as a big core title back at e3 1998 because nintendo had it's worst show that left true gamers in the dust.

until nintendo shoes the desire and skill to target the hardcore gamer, i'm not believing wii u will be any different.
this current management just can't do that (not that its an altogether bad thing)

don't you mean 2008?

[Chaosmaster8753]

What do "core" gamers want anyway?

[ManicRaider]

Controller
I think the Wii U controller will feel too much like a peripheral and most gamers will not want to be forced to always use it's motion controls and other features. I remember when Kinect came out and on the 360 forums people complained that they don't want to flail about when playing games. They just want to sit there and play games with a regular controller. For most gamers they want innovation in the games themselves not in the way they play them.

Console
Better graphics might attract a few hardcore gamers but only if they still have faith in Nintendo and the kind of games they want to play are there. Better online gaming is a good idea as well since gamers with both a 360 and PS3 often prefer playing online with a 360 when it comes to multiplatform games.

[Devil_Rising]

It might well attract more traditional gamers to it that didn't buy Wii for whatever reason. But I don't think they're EVER going to reel in the "HARDcore" crowd. The people who actually label themselves as such, the uber-fanboys. Most of them have never even played Wii, but make fun of it incessantly, because it's the hip thing for fanboys to do. Even if WiiU were super-powerful, had awesome games, great online, the tablet was amazing, great exclusives, etc. etc.....most of those folks wouldn't bat an eyelash. They'd just snort "lame", and keep on eating Cheetos.

And yes, there is a huge different between longtime, "traditional" gamers, and the uber-tardcore fanclones.

Now do I think the WiiU will be successful? Of course I do. It has the name and momentum of the Wii to build off of, and I still imaginine Nintendo will manage to make it affordable. I also, as I stated many times after it's unveiling amidst all the "EEEEK!!! It's gonna be SUPER HARDCORZ" chatter that went on around here, there is no way in hell that Nintendo is NOT going to still have things like Wii Sports, and Nintendogs, and Brain Training etc. on Wii U. They practically created the so-called "Casual market", why would they turn tail and abandon it now? That would be the single dumbest business strategy since Sega abandoned perfectly good consoles too early to bring out new ones too soon.

[Mako]

It is far too early to say either way. Maybe Nintendo will have all these problems fixed by the time the console is released. I hear that EA is working on the online system with them and Nintendo themselves keep saying they want to work with 3rd parties to meet their demands. I think things will get better with the Wii U. I'm just worried about the controller.

[KingBroly]

We're still like a year away from the console being released.

[TANK]

i hope that the watson cpu which can do speeds of either 3.8,40,GHZ uses its full capacity of 2GB ram which would be on par with pc cards,it has a fighting chance(ps4,720)but i would like to see a BF3 64 players pc style and a monster hunter 4.

[gtt]

i hope that the watson cpu which can do speeds of either 3.8,40,GHZ uses its full capacity of 2GB ram which would be on par with pc cards,it has a fighting chance(ps4,720)but i would like to see a BF3 64 players pc style and a monster hunter 4.

meh, cpu speed doesn't really matter as much anymore. I'm sure it will be fine. however, a couple dx11 amd gpus to put it head and shoulders above the 360/ps3 would be great.

[Devil_Rising]

People need to quit comparing PC components to console ones. It's not apples and apples. Not even between different consoles. And people also need to quit worrying about what the PS4, which is a long ways off, and the "720", which I doubt it will be called, will be powered by, or HOW much more powerful they might or might not be compared to the WiiU.

Nintendo finally gives people what they whine for, an HD console, and one with a both traditional yet potentially revolutionary new controller concept no less, but they still find reasons to complain. I'm sure it will be both powerful, and have awesome games. So I'm not worried about anything else.

[bobafruit]

Personally I've learned from the 3DS not to jump in too quickly. The Wii I bought in 2009 and the DS I bought in 2006 both had built up good libraries so I knew what I was getting in to before buying.

I'll give the Wii u at least two years to let the market sort things out... I'm still confident that the 3DS will be a big winner, but waiting for it to get there is going to be painful.

Though you know, I think I would have got one this x-mas anyway for the release of Mario land 3D. That game excites me, just like NSMB and the promise of Final Fantasy III for the DS did.

oh yes, this is a Wii u thread.... I will buy Wii u if they release a Mario title that I really like, along with Squeenix promising a good Final Fantasy. Or no FF, but Zelda (problem with Zelda is we might be waiting til 2018 for the next one)

well carry on!

[gtt]

People need to quit comparing PC components to console ones. It's not apples and apples. Not even between different consoles. And people also need to quit worrying about what the PS4, which is a long ways off, and the "720", which I doubt it will be called, will be powered by, or HOW much more powerful they might or might not be compared to the WiiU.

Nintendo finally gives people what they whine for, an HD console, and one with a both traditional yet potentially revolutionary new controller concept no less, but they still find reasons to complain. I'm sure it will be both powerful, and have awesome games. So I'm not worried about anything else.

well, when they stop using basically off the shelf gpus we will stop comparing them.

[bfx9]

People need to quit comparing PC components to console ones. It's not apples and apples. Not even between different consoles. And people also need to quit worrying about what the PS4, which is a long ways off, and the "720", which I doubt it will be called, will be powered by, or HOW much more powerful they might or might not be compared to the WiiU.

Nintendo finally gives people what they whine for, an HD console, and one with a both traditional yet potentially revolutionary new controller concept no less, but they still find reasons to complain. I'm sure it will be both powerful, and have awesome games. So I'm not worried about anything else.

i have been playing nintendo franchises since 1984.
many of us feel betrayed by the casual shift, loads of short duration crapware and the lack of software innovation.
i'm 34, i don't wanna play cartoon games, that's why ps3 gets some of my money.
ive supported nintendo since 1984. i own every system ever made.
it's better in almost every way, except metroid prime is only on nintendo?

we complain because nintendo of america's management sucks.

my mom has bored with her wii for 3 years. she was ripped off.

[Gulshog]

Do you think that the Wii U will succeed or fail to attract "hardcore gamers?"

Personally, I think the Wii U will fail to attract "hardcore gamers" for these reasons:

1.) Third party developers are either ditching Nintendo or making crappy rushed ports for Nintendo's consoles.
2.) The name Wii U sounds like a video game console for casual gamers.
3.) Nintendo's online capabilities are terrible. (Even though Nintendo did improve their online capabilities with the Nintendo 3DS)
4.) Nintendo of America's ignorance to localize Xenoblade, The Last Story, or Pandora's Tower to North America which causes "hardcore gamers" to lose trust in Nintendo.

I think most fans of Nintendo (those that always buy their systems no matter what), would be considered traditional gamers, not casual gamers. So, the traditional fans that were there before Wii, and after it, are what you say...hardcore. They will be there for Wii U, as well. I think what you really mean to ask is will it attract the PS360 crowd that snicker and laugh at anything Nintendo makes. My guess is that they will not get many...maybe 10% at best.

Ports are fine...I honestly dont have a problem with them, as I dont own a HD console, and dont have a new PC, so I welcome these games on Wii U. But, honestly, I am going to get a PS3 soon, so it may not matter.

I agree with you that they have shot themselves in the foot with 3DS, and Wii U. The names are too similar, and the casual crowd just doesnt get it. Lets be honest, most people are stupid, and you have to go out of your way to show that something is new. And, yeah, it is just a bad name.

I think it is too early to tell just what they have in store for the online capabilities of the Wii U.

NOA's localization record for the Wii has really turned me against the Wii U, which is really sad to admit.

[bfx9]

i agree. i'm a traditional gamer, who has gotten older and i want nintendo to evolve.
most of my friends from the n64 day jumped to ps2 and then to xbox 360.

i have concerns about wii u. i want nintendo to implement on online infrastructure similar to ps3/360.
reggie said nintendo will let developers do what they want in regards to online matchmaking, that means no cross chat
and individual system user ID's.

[KingBroly]

i agree. i'm a traditional gamer, who has gotten older and i want nintendo to evolve.
most of my friends from the n64 day jumped to ps2 and then to xbox 360.

i have concerns about wii u. i want nintendo to implement on online infrastructure similar to ps3/360.
reggie said nintendo will let developers do what they want in regards to online matchmaking, that means no cross chat
and individual system user ID's.

With User ID's I think you're jumping the gun a bit. There probably won't be X-Game Chat on Wii U, but PS3 doesn't have it either, and my guess is with PS4 you'll have to have PS+ in order to use it as well. Sony, after Metal Gear Online said 'all PSN games require the usage of a person's PSN name' because it was a mess. Will Nintendo leapfrong that? I don't really know. Since they have unified friend codes on 3DS, my guess is they'll have some kind of unified system on Wii U.

[bfx9]

unified is great as long as you can see when your friends come online, be able to message them, see what they are doing
and also see an in depth profile detailing their game stats.

i'm kind of angry because want nintendo to be something that maybe their not.
i want a metroid FPS like halo, i wanted smash brothers to track stats and have an online that works properly.
i want a MMORP in a zelda setting.
i want online co op mario games and platformers

i have no one to play with. my 12 year old is obsessed with halo wars, black ops and fortress craft on his 360

i'm replaying metroid prime trilogy (part 1), metroid ambassador VC for 3ds and LOT OOT 3DS.
ALONE!

[LegendofZelda1996]

I think what you really mean to ask is will it attract the PS360 crowd that snicker and laugh at anything Nintendo makes. My guess is that they will not get many...maybe 10% at best.

Correct, sir. I heard that most of the "hardcore" gamers play either the Playstation 3 or the XBOX 360.

[KingBroly]

i want a metroid FPS like halo

No, you don't. Trust me on this one.

i wanted smash brothers to track stats and have an online that works properly.

Smash Bros. tracks more stats than any fighting game out there. Online does need tweaking for Western audiences though.

i want a MMORP in a zelda setting.

Uh...I don't think you do. I think you want a Zelda game that is like 'Tales of Hyrule' or something, but not an MMO. That's saved for Pokemon.

i want online co op mario games and platformers

That's the next logical step for NSMB to be honest.

[Devil_Rising]

i have been playing nintendo franchises since 1984.
many of us feel betrayed by the casual shift, loads of short duration crapware and the lack of software innovation.
i'm 34, i don't wanna play cartoon games, that's why ps3 gets some of my money.
ive supported nintendo since 1984. i own every system ever made.
it's better in almost every way, except metroid prime is only on nintendo?

we complain because nintendo of america's management sucks.

my mom has bored with her wii for 3 years. she was ripped off.

I know I really shouldn't even bother responding to you, and probably won't after this...but I just can't seem to help myself. Seriously, with the posts you keep making, I'm not really sure how ANYONE in here is taking you seriously.

Want me to count the ways?

"I own Nintendo Stock" - doubt it.

"I hold several World Records". not only doubt it, but where the hell did that come from and why is it important?

"I've been a with Nintendo since 1984". - that would be kinda hard...unless you lived in Japan in 1984...and owned a Famicom. The Nintendo Entertainment System didn't come out until 1985 in North America. You'd have known that if you were actually 34, and actually a long time fan. Then again, you'd have also known that the Famicom actually came out in Japan in 1983.

"I own every system ever made" - SURE you do. No really, I find that believable. I mean after all, you obviously own Nintendo stock, you hold world records, you must be like Billy Mitchell or something, right? You MUST be rich and successful enough to buy every single console ever made (hell, even the ones NOT released in America, right?), otherwise, why ELSE would you continue to spend so much time typing horribly written and horribly conceived statements on an internet forum like GoNintendo? You're probably one of those super rich who actually HAS nothing better to do than flood internet forums, because you have other people who do the work FOR you, I'd imagine. So tell me then, what was your favorite game for the MSX? What CD-i model did you buy (there were several)? Did you own the NEC Turbo-CD model, or did you wait and buy a TurboDuo? No wait, I'm sorry, you obviously have both. Did you prefer the Amistrad GX4000 or the Pioneer LaserActive? Or which did your prefer between the Tiger R-Zone and the Tiger Game.com? Sorry, since you own every system ever and I'm a big games enthusiast, I can hardly contain myself.

"I want to see an FPS Metroid in the style of Halo. I want to see an MMORP in the Zelda setting" - I'm surprised you didn't also add that you wanted to see a Mario game where he uses guns as his primary weapons, and when you stomp on Goombas, you can see blood and guts and brains fly everywhere. These, among many other statements, if the rest weren't enough, clue me in to the fact that you are just a kid who lives under a bridge (so to speak), and have nothing better to do but tell all the bigger kids at GoNintendo that they should join you in your crusade of hating Nintendo...even though you "LOVE" Nintendo. You just want WiiU to be Xbox, that's all.