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October 19, 2009 by The News Team
Filed Under: Nintendo in general
Both Kai Huang, co-founder of Red Octane and parent of the Guitar Hero franchise, and EA' Peter Moore believe that the end of disc-based gaming is too far from rounding the corner. Mr. Huang said that this generation of gamers is going to be the last one to own physical media, and that in 5-10 years, everything will be digital.
Mr. Moore had a lot more to say on the topic, calling the current console setup a 'burning platform'.
"Look at the platform we're on, it's a burning platform. As a concept, do you stay on the platform and face certain death, or do you jump into the water and face probable death? Most of you would choose probable death, so you start moving towards a hybrid model of digital distribution. I'd say the core business model of video games is a burning platform. Absolutely. We all recognize that, and we'll recognize it 10 years from now when we tell our grand kids. We'll tell them we used to drive to the store to get shiny discs that have bits and bites on them and we'd place them in this thing called a 'disc tray,' and it'd whirl around…and they'll go 'What?' So, the concept of physical packaged discs and the core business model that is video games as it currently stands is a burning platform. As digital distribution becomes more and more, we'll continue as an industry to work with retail and to ship discs, but more and more of the content will be in the 'cloud.' More content will be delivered daily, weekly, or monthly, and less will be of the old model of cartridges and discs. As an industry, I still think we may be as many as a decade away from saying goodbye to physical discs. The important question is, what does the next console look like? Does it actually have a disc drive?"
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"The important question is, what does the next console look like? Does it actually have a disc drive?"
Well they should have disc drives if they want to be compatible with older games. Unless Microsoft and Nintendo pull a Sony on us.
Well they should have disc drives if they want to be compatible with older games. Unless Microsoft and Nintendo pull a Sony on us.
@WiiLikeSportz
Worked with HD/BluRay... Up next, they're trying to push 3-D once again...
If mega money companies like Sony, Microsoft and Disney want something to happen, they pretty much have enough money to do whatever to get it to work in their favor.
Worked with HD/BluRay... Up next, they're trying to push 3-D once again...
If mega money companies like Sony, Microsoft and Disney want something to happen, they pretty much have enough money to do whatever to get it to work in their favor.
What a strange coincidence. I was listening "Material Girl" while I was reading this.
@WiiLikeSportz
Yeah, it's like "please, accept the idea of a digital-only console, because that's the direction we're taking, even if we don't know about the consoles manufacturers.
Though, technically, there is no point for a physical media. It's not like cartridge were you could add chips. But a console with physical media will appeal to a broader audience. Now, I'll just wait and look at the PSPGo sale numbers.
@WiiLikeSportz
Yeah, it's like "please, accept the idea of a digital-only console, because that's the direction we're taking, even if we don't know about the consoles manufacturers.
Though, technically, there is no point for a physical media. It's not like cartridge were you could add chips. But a console with physical media will appeal to a broader audience. Now, I'll just wait and look at the PSPGo sale numbers.
Not everyone who wants to play games is wired up to the Internet and/or wants to take the time to download HUGE games (i.e., the kind released on discs today).
I think they're significantly jumping the gun.
It's like when Microsoft made a big deal about how on Windows you could have an interactive desktop that was connected to the internet. They thought it was the next big thing, and it wasn't.
I think they're significantly jumping the gun.
It's like when Microsoft made a big deal about how on Windows you could have an interactive desktop that was connected to the internet. They thought it was the next big thing, and it wasn't.
Also, many folks, myself included, like owning a physical copy of our games.
I'd ask these guys...we've had digital music downloads for years now. Are CD's becoming obsolete?
I'd ask these guys...we've had digital music downloads for years now. Are CD's becoming obsolete?
@WiiLikeSportz
This. But then, most gamers aren't helping either by being suckers... And no, I'm not talking solely about the expanded audience, I'm not speaking of them at all actually [we were all new and unknowledgeable once, after all].
If DD does take full hold, though, then I'm outta here!
No way will I partake in an industry that is solely in the developer's favor [even more than now].
This. But then, most gamers aren't helping either by being suckers... And no, I'm not talking solely about the expanded audience, I'm not speaking of them at all actually [we were all new and unknowledgeable once, after all].
If DD does take full hold, though, then I'm outta here!
No way will I partake in an industry that is solely in the developer's favor [even more than now].
How surprising that the lead people in worthless DLC are calling for no more disc based games.
I look forward to when I have to pay for menu buttons in games.
I look forward to when I have to pay for menu buttons in games.
@WedgeWalkr
They're not obsolete, but they've been dying slowly for the past decade or so, in most of the world. And in places like South Korea, physical sales crashed. At the end of the 90s, they had popular artists sell over a million records. Now, the most popular ones will sell just 100,000. (And a platinum CD in Korea is for sales of just 10,000 now.)
That said, though, it will take a lot for physical formats to die off completely. Sure, many of them are dyING (newspapers and CDs are the two that come to mind) but people like having physical copies. For example, the quality of songs on CD still exceeds digital quality (although not by much, and I suppose the average person wouldn't notice).
Having DD-only games (and movies) make the least amount of sense to me, simply because of all the space required...unless we're supposed to be deleting them all the time...which would make them simply rentals.
They're not obsolete, but they've been dying slowly for the past decade or so, in most of the world. And in places like South Korea, physical sales crashed. At the end of the 90s, they had popular artists sell over a million records. Now, the most popular ones will sell just 100,000. (And a platinum CD in Korea is for sales of just 10,000 now.)
That said, though, it will take a lot for physical formats to die off completely. Sure, many of them are dyING (newspapers and CDs are the two that come to mind) but people like having physical copies. For example, the quality of songs on CD still exceeds digital quality (although not by much, and I suppose the average person wouldn't notice).
Having DD-only games (and movies) make the least amount of sense to me, simply because of all the space required...unless we're supposed to be deleting them all the time...which would make them simply rentals.
I too like having a physical copy (of games) because I
- like having pretty boxarts lol
-am too impatient to wait for something to download
-think it requires to much space
-would be concerned about accidently deleting something.
cds on the other hand, I buy them digitally because most of the time the whole cd sucks and only two songs are worth having. The last cd I bought was the okami soundtrack and that was well worth it.
- like having pretty boxarts lol
-am too impatient to wait for something to download
-think it requires to much space
-would be concerned about accidently deleting something.
cds on the other hand, I buy them digitally because most of the time the whole cd sucks and only two songs are worth having. The last cd I bought was the okami soundtrack and that was well worth it.
Well, if they stop distributing the games through discs, and cases, and such, the thing is simple.
We will make our own organised official unofficial boxarts community where we will be making our own officially unofficial boxarts, print, and have them standing!
We will make our own organised official unofficial boxarts community where we will be making our own officially unofficial boxarts, print, and have them standing!
"The important question is, what does the next console look like? Does it actually have a disc drive?"
Oh, Mr. Moore.
The important question is, is there anything you won't say for money?
Oh, Mr. Moore.
The important question is, is there anything you won't say for money?
Sooo... what if I don't have a credit card or stable internet connection?
No games?
Great.
No games?
Great.
@I See ReDeads
You mean the right credit card. There's only two types in the world apparently according to the game industry... >->
@Ash_Pokemaster
Oh yeah. I'll be there! I've made 3 game [unofficial] boxarts already, so I should be amazing by then.
You mean the right credit card. There's only two types in the world apparently according to the game industry... >->
@Ash_Pokemaster
Oh yeah. I'll be there! I've made 3 game [unofficial] boxarts already, so I should be amazing by then.
@I See ReDeads
Exactly. Not to mention that alot of the major ISPs are trying to get bandwidth caps and/or charge outrageous money($60-100 a month?) for higher speeds. They are also trying to redefine "highspeed" to mean lower bandwidth levels. They are already having issues maintaining their servers with music downloads and streaming tv. Imagine how much worse it will be when games are factored in.
The day they go DD is the day I stop gaming. Any kids I may end up having will have to go without as well.
Exactly. Not to mention that alot of the major ISPs are trying to get bandwidth caps and/or charge outrageous money($60-100 a month?) for higher speeds. They are also trying to redefine "highspeed" to mean lower bandwidth levels. They are already having issues maintaining their servers with music downloads and streaming tv. Imagine how much worse it will be when games are factored in.
The day they go DD is the day I stop gaming. Any kids I may end up having will have to go without as well.
"We all recognize that, and we'll recognize it 10 years from now when we tell our grand kids. We'll tell them we used to drive to the store to get shiny discs that have bits and bites on them and we'd place them in this thing called a 'disc tray,' and it'd whirl around…and they'll go 'What?'"
Yea, then they will pissed to find out we were also once able to buy and sell used games while they are stuck paying full price on download only machines.
Yea, then they will pissed to find out we were also once able to buy and sell used games while they are stuck paying full price on download only machines.
@redhatdrawler
It worked with blu-ray? Oh you mean that niche format that the general public doesn't give two craps about?
Good example!
Now as plans proceed to gimp DVDs to try and FORCE people to buy Blu-Ray, that bull will not be tolerated. Expect people trying it to be bitten back, hard. I suspect piracy rates will go even higher because people will not put up with that.
Consumers decide what 'progression' is, not some egotistical hack developer.
It worked with blu-ray? Oh you mean that niche format that the general public doesn't give two craps about?
Good example!
Now as plans proceed to gimp DVDs to try and FORCE people to buy Blu-Ray, that bull will not be tolerated. Expect people trying it to be bitten back, hard. I suspect piracy rates will go even higher because people will not put up with that.
Consumers decide what 'progression' is, not some egotistical hack developer.
These guys sound like those people way back in the day who kept saying we'd have flying cars.
I'm still waiting for mine.
I'm still waiting for mine.
@karkashan
Actually, they exist already, but it will take a looooooong time for them to become mainstream
As for Digital distribution, for the love of God, activision! THINK OF THE PEOPLE THAT DON'T HAVE INTERNET! You'll LOSE money if you go digital distribution-only.
That is all. You're being dumb.
Actually, they exist already, but it will take a looooooong time for them to become mainstream
As for Digital distribution, for the love of God, activision! THINK OF THE PEOPLE THAT DON'T HAVE INTERNET! You'll LOSE money if you go digital distribution-only.
That is all. You're being dumb.
End of disc-based gaming? Heck yes. I've been waiting for Flash Carts to take over for discs forever. I hate the long load times of optical media... oh wait, this article is about the end of physical media period. Digital only.
I personally hope the PSP Go flops so horribly (like, worse than the Virtual Boy) that nobody thinks of making another system like it.
I personally hope the PSP Go flops so horribly (like, worse than the Virtual Boy) that nobody thinks of making another system like it.
yeah, my computer died and all the songs i dled on it, i can't put on my new system, so screw them. i want physical media so i have what i paid for.
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Tryin' to shove the future down our throats at their benefit...