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October 23, 2009 by RawmeatCowboy
Filed Under: Nintendo in general
• The RTS Dune 2: The game took players away from twitch play to a cerebral approach.
• Super Mario 64: The true precursor to the likes of GTAIV as it ushered in free roaming in an open environment.
• Tomb Raider: The game featured an iconic heroine instead of a muscle-bound man.
• Halo: The title brought FPS games to consoles.
• World of Warcraft: The use of "carrot dangling" to drive players to keep playing.
I often say that Super Mario 64 is one of the most influential titles in the entire industry, and Mr. Molyneux is proving that point. What games would you put in your top 5?
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Yeah. Total Goldeneye oversight. He probably didn't want to give credit to two Nintendo games and had to give at least one thing to Microsoft as he develops for them.
@Inneverate
It's not a top 5 list of his favorite games, though his might mirror this; I don't know him too well.
These are revolutionary games. How is Super Mario Bros 3 a revolutionary game?
It's not a top 5 list of his favorite games, though his might mirror this; I don't know him too well.
These are revolutionary games. How is Super Mario Bros 3 a revolutionary game?
"Tomb Raider: The game featured an iconic heroine instead of a muscle-bound man."
Maybe he never played Metroid...
Maybe he never played Metroid...
@lordewok666
Yeah, Metroid oversight as well. He probably didn't want to give credit to Three Nintendo games lol
Yeah, Metroid oversight as well. He probably didn't want to give credit to Three Nintendo games lol
My all time favorite game gets some love SM64 <3
Yeah, he probably did not say goldeneye and smbros because he is connected with microsoft. And was tomb raider really before Metroid - or at least before we knew Samus was a woman?
Yeah, he probably did not say goldeneye and smbros because he is connected with microsoft. And was tomb raider really before Metroid - or at least before we knew Samus was a woman?
Golden Eye brought FPS games to a new standard, but really Halo brought the PC experience to the gaming platform.
Which one is more important I guess it's a matter of opinion.
Which one is more important I guess it's a matter of opinion.
Or.. or.. or maybe he didn't fill the list with Nintendo games because they had a gun to his temple.
"Halo: The title brought FPS games to consoles."? What. a. LAUGH.
Credibility shot.
Credibility shot.
The WoW thing is an atrocity. By far the worst part of the game, and I hate seeing it influence my other favorite games. (Seriously? Hats in TF2? WTF.)
That's not to say the actual classes and gameplay of WoW are lacking. Far from it.
That's not to say the actual classes and gameplay of WoW are lacking. Far from it.
Pokemon would be in my list. Its revolutionary in the way that it would mark the end of days of when hoarding was dull. Hell I think hoarding became what it is in a lot of games because of Pokemon. Some might have objections but I do not. Hoarding is a very fun task for me. Especially in RPG's and that Treasure World game.
@Eternal Rain
There were console FPS games before Goldeneye though. What was he -thinking-?
And I guess I don't need to point out Metroid/Tomb Raider since everyone else did.
@Inneverate
'Top 5 Most Revolutionary Games', not which is his favorite of the series. (Although being revolutionary could qualify it.) Super Mario Bros. 3 was HARDLY revolutionary compared to 64.
There were console FPS games before Goldeneye though. What was he -thinking-?
And I guess I don't need to point out Metroid/Tomb Raider since everyone else did.
@Inneverate
'Top 5 Most Revolutionary Games', not which is his favorite of the series. (Although being revolutionary could qualify it.) Super Mario Bros. 3 was HARDLY revolutionary compared to 64.
I smell a GameDaily top ten list in the cooker
Top 10 most revolutionary games in the past 20 years
Top 10 most revolutionary games in the past 20 years
@RustyCage
Uhh...It kinda did. At least the REAL FPS experience. Goldeneye was revolutionary and everything, but Halo was the first console FPS to bring the PC FPS experience to a console uncomprimised.
Uhh...It kinda did. At least the REAL FPS experience. Goldeneye was revolutionary and everything, but Halo was the first console FPS to bring the PC FPS experience to a console uncomprimised.
I would have included Wii Sports in there somewhere. I think its the most revolutionary game in at least a decade.
Goldeneye brought watered down FPS' to consoles. Halo brought actual FPS' to consoles.
@papermarkis
Wrong use of words describing Goldeneye, but you're correct.
The essense of FPS' multiplayer component was fully realized on consoles with Halo, this is undeniable. Yes, Goldeneye was an FPS and came out before Halo, but it wasn't the FPS experience that PC gamers were experiencing before.
People above have said the same, but I think it's important for it to sink in to the minds of Nintendo fans.
Wrong use of words describing Goldeneye, but you're correct.
The essense of FPS' multiplayer component was fully realized on consoles with Halo, this is undeniable. Yes, Goldeneye was an FPS and came out before Halo, but it wasn't the FPS experience that PC gamers were experiencing before.
People above have said the same, but I think it's important for it to sink in to the minds of Nintendo fans.
• Super Mario 64: The true precursor to the likes of GTAIV as it ushered in free roaming in an open environment.
Couldnt agree more.
• Tomb Raider: The game featured an iconic heroine instead of a muscle-bound man.
Cough Cough. Metroid.
• Halo: The title brought FPS games to consoles.
Lol. Never picked up GoldenEye, then, aye?
@RadiantSilvergun
@papermarkis
@ninjablaze
His reason was NOT that it brought PC FPSes to a console uncompromised. It was that it brought FPSes in general to consoles, when in fact, the ball was rolling and the way paved for Bungie well before they started development of Halo.
I'm not arguing that the original Halo was significant, I'm arguing that GoldenEye set the stage for Halo and console FPSes.
Couldnt agree more.
• Tomb Raider: The game featured an iconic heroine instead of a muscle-bound man.
Cough Cough. Metroid.
• Halo: The title brought FPS games to consoles.
Lol. Never picked up GoldenEye, then, aye?
@RadiantSilvergun
@papermarkis
@ninjablaze
His reason was NOT that it brought PC FPSes to a console uncompromised. It was that it brought FPSes in general to consoles, when in fact, the ball was rolling and the way paved for Bungie well before they started development of Halo.
I'm not arguing that the original Halo was significant, I'm arguing that GoldenEye set the stage for Halo and console FPSes.
I guess it's his opinion but I would have asked about what he thought of GoldenEye 007.
It isn't a matter of having two Nintendo titles in his list, because GoldenEye 007 was only published by Nintendo. It was developed by Rare, and that company is now owned by Microsoft of course.
It isn't a matter of having two Nintendo titles in his list, because GoldenEye 007 was only published by Nintendo. It was developed by Rare, and that company is now owned by Microsoft of course.
He clearly ignored Metroid (heroine) and GoldenEye (FPS). Perhaps it does have to do with him trying to have a variety rather than give a lot of credit to Nintendo/Nintendo consoles. I think a lot of people in the industry overlook their system's achievements. Sure, they don't have the greatest graphics or sound quality, but the innovation is spectacular.
His own studio indirectly is working on something Nintendo introduced. I doubt Microsoft would have introduced Natal if Nintendo didn't have such great success with the motion controller.
His own studio indirectly is working on something Nintendo introduced. I doubt Microsoft would have introduced Natal if Nintendo didn't have such great success with the motion controller.
That annoying old man talking nonsense again, who is this Peter Molyneux anyway... There are tens of game devs at Nintendo we din't even know of that have more talent in 1 finger that this dude will ever have...
I don't get worked up about his opinion because, really, that's either his asset or his problem.
I do, however, think he is a blithering idiot, and I typically laugh at what he says and move on.
This list is interesting because of the inclusion of Tomb Raider.
I'd like to question if he stuck to EXACTLY 20 years ago (as in only being able to to pick software between 1989-2009), or if it was just 'approximately' 20 years.
Regardless, the biggest thing he overlooked, to me, is Guitar Hero. Of course, there have been many similar software released since, including additional iterations, but the original Guitar Hero (and possibly GH2 -- my knowledge on the specifics is limited, I admit) created a huge new marketplace. It finally created a type of music game that didn't become a 'cult classic' or a niche.
Now, unfortunately, that large market has been saturated with software, and Harmonix is in several ways competing against itself in a race it is not winning. With the earlier news of Rock Band profitability just beginning, I'm less confident than ever in the success of these products. I think it's time to leave the music genre dormant for now until the two dinosaurs finish each other off.
Blah. Sorry for the rant. The point is, Guitar Hero brought in a significant number of new players just as Wii Sports and Wii Fit did.
I do, however, think he is a blithering idiot, and I typically laugh at what he says and move on.
This list is interesting because of the inclusion of Tomb Raider.
I'd like to question if he stuck to EXACTLY 20 years ago (as in only being able to to pick software between 1989-2009), or if it was just 'approximately' 20 years.
Regardless, the biggest thing he overlooked, to me, is Guitar Hero. Of course, there have been many similar software released since, including additional iterations, but the original Guitar Hero (and possibly GH2 -- my knowledge on the specifics is limited, I admit) created a huge new marketplace. It finally created a type of music game that didn't become a 'cult classic' or a niche.
Now, unfortunately, that large market has been saturated with software, and Harmonix is in several ways competing against itself in a race it is not winning. With the earlier news of Rock Band profitability just beginning, I'm less confident than ever in the success of these products. I think it's time to leave the music genre dormant for now until the two dinosaurs finish each other off.
Blah. Sorry for the rant. The point is, Guitar Hero brought in a significant number of new players just as Wii Sports and Wii Fit did.
1. Super Mario 64
2. Goldeneye 007
3. Wii Sports
4. Zelda: Ocarina of Time
5. Wii Fit
2. Goldeneye 007
3. Wii Sports
4. Zelda: Ocarina of Time
5. Wii Fit
@ryan82
That's a much better list than Molyneux's, I must say.
I unfortunately forgot to give him credit for his inclusion of WoW in my previous post. It's difficult to maintain and to satisfy the customers, but the people responsible are working around the clock to put as much content out there as possible, and from what I understand, WoW players are eating it up.
That's a much better list than Molyneux's, I must say.
I unfortunately forgot to give him credit for his inclusion of WoW in my previous post. It's difficult to maintain and to satisfy the customers, but the people responsible are working around the clock to put as much content out there as possible, and from what I understand, WoW players are eating it up.
You guys are putting your own twist of context onto the Halo statement to defend it, seemingly because you're afraid of falling into some bandwagon that labels you a Nintendo fanboy, or perhaps you're just against everyone else who you assume is like that. I keep seeing 'Nintendo fans this', 'Nintendo fans that'.
But see fellas, it's got little to do with Nintendo itself, other than the fact that Goldeneye happened to be on a Nintendo console. You're making that fanboy association yourself out of your -own- bias.
Fact of the matter is, Goldeneye could have been created for ANY console and it -still- would have preceded Halo. Period.
The man said, "Halo brought FPS games to consoles", he didn't say, "it brought the multiplayer FPS PC experience to consoles".
Also, while Goldeneye is the first truly groundbreaking FPS created -for- consoles, other FPS games had been on consoles before it. Likewise, more appeared after it, and before Halo. Therefore Peter's statement is simply false.
If he meant something else, then he should have said what he meant. That way there'd be no controversy.
But it's possible that controversy was intended, considering the Tomb Raider bit. One could assume many things very easily based on this list and not be at fault for thinking so. A less paranoid alternative would be that maybe he was just recklessly and laughably unclear/sloppy/lazy/insert word here.
But see fellas, it's got little to do with Nintendo itself, other than the fact that Goldeneye happened to be on a Nintendo console. You're making that fanboy association yourself out of your -own- bias.
Fact of the matter is, Goldeneye could have been created for ANY console and it -still- would have preceded Halo. Period.
The man said, "Halo brought FPS games to consoles", he didn't say, "it brought the multiplayer FPS PC experience to consoles".
Also, while Goldeneye is the first truly groundbreaking FPS created -for- consoles, other FPS games had been on consoles before it. Likewise, more appeared after it, and before Halo. Therefore Peter's statement is simply false.
If he meant something else, then he should have said what he meant. That way there'd be no controversy.
But it's possible that controversy was intended, considering the Tomb Raider bit. One could assume many things very easily based on this list and not be at fault for thinking so. A less paranoid alternative would be that maybe he was just recklessly and laughably unclear/sloppy/lazy/insert word here.
Horrible list. Mario 64 did something for the 3D travelling, but the rest aren't exactly revolutionary.
Sim City, Wolfenstein/Doom, WiiSports, even Brain Age are more revolutionary.
Sim City, Wolfenstein/Doom, WiiSports, even Brain Age are more revolutionary.
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Never played Goldeneye I assume.