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October 28, 2009 by The News Team
Filed Under: Wii
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I often hold back from being really blunt with my comments, but this time I can't help it. That has to be one of the dumbest comments I've ever heard Morgan Webb say. Super Mario Galaxy is aimed at kids, instead of everyone? Adults feel insulted when playing the game?! Seriously...am I in another universe here?! Thanks to Dakaggo for the heads up.
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Nope, I am not even going to touch this. *waits for the argument to start*
@Hami83
Agreed. You play as furry creatures in Ratchet...
Also, if I recall correctly, didn't Webb do the REVIEW for Galaxy and gave it a 5/5. Talk about trying to appeal to G4's frat boy audience.
Agreed. You play as furry creatures in Ratchet...
Also, if I recall correctly, didn't Webb do the REVIEW for Galaxy and gave it a 5/5. Talk about trying to appeal to G4's frat boy audience.
@Hami83
Being 5 years younger I respect you and your comment and also share the same perspective. My grandmother and mother plays mario. Starting from when it was first released--before i was born.
Being 5 years younger I respect you and your comment and also share the same perspective. My grandmother and mother plays mario. Starting from when it was first released--before i was born.
I wouldn't say I ever felt insulted when playing Super Mario Galaxy, but it does really feel like it was made with a younger audience in mind. It's not like Nickelodeon and fart jokes or anything juvenile like that, but I think everything about it is very kid friendly. The story book was a bit more grown, but still nice for kids. I mean, the look and presentation, the lack of story and dialog( i know there was a bit of story), and the difficulty( I can see why someone would say they feel insulted here) all really skew toward a younger crowd. That's not to say adults can't enjoy it, but I do see where she is coming from.
I'd say that people who were expecting more of a challenge throughout, and people who are passionate about story and dialog in games have a fair enough reason to be disappointed, since it is a little 'kiddy'. Sure, the game is charming, but that charm just doesn't completely win everyone over. I am a little surprised she said what she said, but if that's how she really feels, I'm glad at least she was being honest. I learned a new way to troll Nintendo fans, yay!
I'd say that people who were expecting more of a challenge throughout, and people who are passionate about story and dialog in games have a fair enough reason to be disappointed, since it is a little 'kiddy'. Sure, the game is charming, but that charm just doesn't completely win everyone over. I am a little surprised she said what she said, but if that's how she really feels, I'm glad at least she was being honest. I learned a new way to troll Nintendo fans, yay!
HAHAHAHAHAHAHAHA. Wow. It just blows my mind that these people get paid to say this stuff.
@1:50 - "I likes teh fish gun! U build up teh metar and then U lets big belch and destroys teh enemies LOL"
Barely thirty seconds later and you start calling Mario insulting?
This industry is going to kill itself again. And at that time I'll be far past the point of caring, because it's clearly full of idiots these days.
Barely thirty seconds later and you start calling Mario insulting?
This industry is going to kill itself again. And at that time I'll be far past the point of caring, because it's clearly full of idiots these days.
-yawn- Morgan, call us when Ratchet & Clank breaks 17 million sales on a single title. I sincerely doubt children are the only ones playing Galaxy or Mario Kart, and having fun doing so. (I'm 25 years young, for the record 
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lolwut? Ratchet and Clank is the only choice for action platforming? A good choice? Probably. The only choice? Really?
Yeah that is just unfortunate. Morgan Webb didn't make Rachet and Clank obviously and I can't imagine that the people who did are glad about this comment, it's nasty and bound to insult people who disagree.
It's sort of an emperor's new clothes argument: 'Adults are insulted by SMG, so if you played it, are an adult, and liked it, you must be mentally handicapped.'
Seriously, R&C is a big franchise and it succeeds on its own merits. Webb isn't doing the franchise any favors by pulling out the 'douche card.'
Look at the reaction it's causing (somewhat understandable). People are pointing out how it's not that mature of a game and how its just a fun platformer (R&C) I mean. It's supposed to be a fun platformer. This comment from Webb is simply making people who like Galaxy and might like R&C too turn away from the franchise.
What, are people who already liked R&C gonna go 'yeah, so there, mario!'
It's sort of an emperor's new clothes argument: 'Adults are insulted by SMG, so if you played it, are an adult, and liked it, you must be mentally handicapped.'
Seriously, R&C is a big franchise and it succeeds on its own merits. Webb isn't doing the franchise any favors by pulling out the 'douche card.'
Look at the reaction it's causing (somewhat understandable). People are pointing out how it's not that mature of a game and how its just a fun platformer (R&C) I mean. It's supposed to be a fun platformer. This comment from Webb is simply making people who like Galaxy and might like R&C too turn away from the franchise.
What, are people who already liked R&C gonna go 'yeah, so there, mario!'
It's G4 - Nintendo bias has been going on for years on G4. Nintendo talk on G4 typically results in a mix of insults and old jokes that may have gotten a chuckle 10 years ago. It's the network for Microsoft/Sony gamers.
I guess that's why Ratchet and Clank games always top the rating websites on a continued basis... oh wait... they DON'T!
My guess is Morgan feels insulted if she can't mindlessly shoot things in games. Or maybe she's just bitter because Luigi's Purple Coins beat her to the breaking point.
My guess is Morgan feels insulted if she can't mindlessly shoot things in games. Or maybe she's just bitter because Luigi's Purple Coins beat her to the breaking point.
I think the exact opposite. Ratchet games are to kiddy. And mario is for everyone because everyone knows who mario is. I could never get into a ratchet game. It is just something about it that does not feel right to me.
The new Ratchet and Clank looks really really good. It does kind of make me wish I had a PSP so I can play it.
More adults probably enjoyed Galaxy than kids. I don't think kids worked for GameTrailers, Gamespot, and the other big websites that rated it game of the tear.
More adults probably enjoyed Galaxy than kids. I don't think kids worked for GameTrailers, Gamespot, and the other big websites that rated it game of the tear.
@rpguy_ad
Sales are not really the issue because being that it's a Mario game people of all ages are going to buy it without knowing if it's more kid oriented or for both..
By comparison SMG feels like it's a bit more for kids given that the R&C series display guns and have more of a violent feel.
I do take issue with the "insulting to play as an adult" comment... I didn't quite understood what she meant but it is odd given that she is a gamer and she goes to this show to recomend and talk about games.. so what gives?
Sales are not really the issue because being that it's a Mario game people of all ages are going to buy it without knowing if it's more kid oriented or for both..
By comparison SMG feels like it's a bit more for kids given that the R&C series display guns and have more of a violent feel.
I do take issue with the "insulting to play as an adult" comment... I didn't quite understood what she meant but it is odd given that she is a gamer and she goes to this show to recomend and talk about games.. so what gives?
I only watch G4 when it is E3 time. or I will watch a nintendo game review on there website.
@Rawky-Roo
Morgan's a girl...
@NeroSuferoth
Your theory about guns is funny and probably accurate.
"It's got guns, hence it's for adults!"
Morgan's a girl...
@NeroSuferoth
Your theory about guns is funny and probably accurate.
"It's got guns, hence it's for adults!"
In short Morgan doesn't get to say what she wants to say, the network tells her what to say. And the network gets payed off 
reasons why this make no since: mario galaxy is harder.
Both are E rated.
She also said DBZ is boring but she likes nascar.
DBZ can be boring but nascar is more boring this ain't oppion it's a fact : fighting for survival vs fighting to win a race yep, comon sense is my proof.
Both are E rated.
She also said DBZ is boring but she likes nascar.
DBZ can be boring but nascar is more boring this ain't oppion it's a fact : fighting for survival vs fighting to win a race yep, comon sense is my proof.
@WiiLikeSportz
Well, you know how guns have been associated with violence for years now, I didn't make it up.
And honestly, I don't think Nintendo will ever ever! release a Mario game where Mario actually uses a gun to kill Goombas.
Well, you know how guns have been associated with violence for years now, I didn't make it up.
And honestly, I don't think Nintendo will ever ever! release a Mario game where Mario actually uses a gun to kill Goombas.
I'll say this: I really didn't Galaxy, but love the Ratchet and Clank series. And I agree that Galaxy is more aimed at kids. I don't think it's solely aimed at them, though.
G4TV lacks credibility and so do Morgan Webb. This is the same network that inappropriately played the "race card" on Resident Evil 5 because it depicted an armed white man (Chris Redding) shooting at a hostile group of African zombies. There is nothing racist against this game.
Mario has gotten progressively "kiddier" since Mario 64. He's just WAY too happy in Galaxy, with all his "Wahoos!" and "Weehees!"
Not that there's really a problem with that, but I can see Mario Galaxy as being more aimed at kids.
Not that there's really a problem with that, but I can see Mario Galaxy as being more aimed at kids.
They are saying Mario is to kiddy yet they were just talking about a belch-meter in R&C? Is the belch-meter designed for the older gamer?
well there you have it. all it takes for a game to not look kiddy is to involve some sort of shooting mechanics apparently all Morgan cares about is shooting things.
if you want to go through with that stupid mentality then go ahead, you'll just be missing out on some amazing series like Mario, Pikmin and Pokemon.
if you want to go through with that stupid mentality then go ahead, you'll just be missing out on some amazing series like Mario, Pikmin and Pokemon.
See with douches like these, video game journalism will ALWAYS stay in this amateur state. If this guy is not getting paid by the company (HIGHLY likely if you ask me) then he is just retarded. It was that company who blatantly stated that they first came up with the idea of circular worlds thus thanking Miyamoto for copying them when it was Sonic Adventure 2 which first had a spherical object with its own gravity way before galaxy. Now they are trying to be foolish again by talking nonsense.
I have a PS2 and while the first R&C was OK, the rest were just awful to play. They just got DK64's idea of 3d platform adventure with guns, nearly sacrificed platform, made a story that they THINK it's good but it's not and made the guns fire bullets (instead of coconuts) and they still try to take on the ONLY franchise that can still be classified as a PLATFORMER.
Your game is for kids who think they have grown up since they like to play with guns, let the mario games be for the kids, the casual and the die hard PLATFORM fanatics altogether.
I have a PS2 and while the first R&C was OK, the rest were just awful to play. They just got DK64's idea of 3d platform adventure with guns, nearly sacrificed platform, made a story that they THINK it's good but it's not and made the guns fire bullets (instead of coconuts) and they still try to take on the ONLY franchise that can still be classified as a PLATFORMER.
Your game is for kids who think they have grown up since they like to play with guns, let the mario games be for the kids, the casual and the die hard PLATFORM fanatics altogether.
@NeroSuferoth
Yoshi's Safari... Just sayin'
@Seroth
I think people are missing the point. It's that she said it's offensive for an adult to play Mario. Also, when you say Mario is geared at kids, you also have to say R&C is too (I've played them all and actually felt the R&C games were a bit immature, not that there's anything wrong with that because at times it could be funny).
@CSP
Stopped reading when you said "this guy". Seriously - it says right in the title "MORGAN". Also, you're an idiot if you believe that crap about Insomniac or Sony paying them off for saying this. And about the Miyamoto thing - they said that they couldn't believe that someone as lauded as Miyamoto would use their idea and felt very honored. I firmly believe that Miyamoto didn't use it, but Insomniac said nothing wrong.
Yoshi's Safari... Just sayin'
@Seroth
I think people are missing the point. It's that she said it's offensive for an adult to play Mario. Also, when you say Mario is geared at kids, you also have to say R&C is too (I've played them all and actually felt the R&C games were a bit immature, not that there's anything wrong with that because at times it could be funny).
@CSP
Stopped reading when you said "this guy". Seriously - it says right in the title "MORGAN". Also, you're an idiot if you believe that crap about Insomniac or Sony paying them off for saying this. And about the Miyamoto thing - they said that they couldn't believe that someone as lauded as Miyamoto would use their idea and felt very honored. I firmly believe that Miyamoto didn't use it, but Insomniac said nothing wrong.
"I'd say that people who were expecting more of a challenge throughout"
yeah that's right because R&C games are harder than galaxy...
you want a HARD 3D platform shooter? Get Jet Force Gemini and if you manage to beat Mizar the 2nd time you will really be a master of this type of games.
yeah that's right because R&C games are harder than galaxy...
you want a HARD 3D platform shooter? Get Jet Force Gemini and if you manage to beat Mizar the 2nd time you will really be a master of this type of games.
She is an idiot.
If you can call one of the highest rated games of all time kiddy (because I'm sure it's adults who rate the games, so they must all be insulting or something...) then...I don't know what to say.
.........
It's time for some poetic justice...Some one has to go jump on her head.
If you can call one of the highest rated games of all time kiddy (because I'm sure it's adults who rate the games, so they must all be insulting or something...) then...I don't know what to say.
.........
It's time for some poetic justice...Some one has to go jump on her head.
@rpguy_ad
Um... yeah, I kind of hate it when people delude themselves with that "I'm x years young" crap. You don't age down like Benjamin Dutton, it's "years old".
Well going back to the issue at hand, Morgan Webb's a stuck up ugly prissy b*tch anyway. Who the f*ck decided that c*** should be the voice of girl gamers?
I'd personally pay out the nose to see Lindsay "Z" Briggs (aka Little Miss Gamer) punch that home plate jawed wench in the throat for appealing to all the fratboy gamers that are so insecure they need VIDEO GAMES (which are toys to begin with) to represent and reinforce their masculinity.
Videogames in general are seen as kid's stuff, so it's either stick together if a game's good regardless of how it looks or send mixed messages to gamers and game designers about what people want and keep a war of retro and modern/casual gamers going on.
Thank you Morgan Webb for not helping the cause and taking steps backwards you ugly cow. I hope your womb rots out.
Um... yeah, I kind of hate it when people delude themselves with that "I'm x years young" crap. You don't age down like Benjamin Dutton, it's "years old".
Well going back to the issue at hand, Morgan Webb's a stuck up ugly prissy b*tch anyway. Who the f*ck decided that c*** should be the voice of girl gamers?
I'd personally pay out the nose to see Lindsay "Z" Briggs (aka Little Miss Gamer) punch that home plate jawed wench in the throat for appealing to all the fratboy gamers that are so insecure they need VIDEO GAMES (which are toys to begin with) to represent and reinforce their masculinity.
Videogames in general are seen as kid's stuff, so it's either stick together if a game's good regardless of how it looks or send mixed messages to gamers and game designers about what people want and keep a war of retro and modern/casual gamers going on.
Thank you Morgan Webb for not helping the cause and taking steps backwards you ugly cow. I hope your womb rots out.
I'm sorry, how is Mario Galaxy "insulting" to play? Maybe I'm that terrible, but I've found a challenge in this game, its not the "hardest" I've ever played, but definitely a good long challenge. and whats this 'no more action platformers' business..didn't Trine prove that wrong on PC? Or is that considered more a "puzzle/platformer"? maybe what we need is a sequel to the (then) godliness of Jumping Jack Flash. That game was amazing in its time.
What d-bags. If I hear one more damn person call the Wii a kids system, I frigg'n swear...
I'm not even gonna getting into this other than to toss down the blanket, (yet true), statement that G4 and everything on it sucks harder than a Hoover anyways.
I'm not even gonna getting into this other than to toss down the blanket, (yet true), statement that G4 and everything on it sucks harder than a Hoover anyways.
Eveyone has an opinion but this is just ridiculous.
Mario is truely for everyone and known worldwide, true it is innocent but is also the very essence of imagination which anyone can grasp regardless of age.
Ratchet & Clank is TRYING to be a cartoon, it's a third person shooter in disguise and hasn't 'innovated' very much at all from its inception. A new weapon here and clone mechanic there don't add up to much more than a single suit in Mario Galaxy.
Mario is truely for everyone and known worldwide, true it is innocent but is also the very essence of imagination which anyone can grasp regardless of age.
Ratchet & Clank is TRYING to be a cartoon, it's a third person shooter in disguise and hasn't 'innovated' very much at all from its inception. A new weapon here and clone mechanic there don't add up to much more than a single suit in Mario Galaxy.
So... what I got out of that was "Ratchet and Clank is better because it has guns;" does that sound about right? And is it me, or does she look like... heartbroken, at 2:25-2:30 when she says "this is the only game out there for people who like action platformers"?
Everyone keeps forgeting that she specifically talked about SMG which I felt it was less challenging than Sunshine.
It was less challenging, and that was partly a product of some attention going towards appealing to the new audience they were ushering in. Still loved Galaxy, but the hardest bits were a bit easier than the hardest in Sunshine.
That said, I think it's quite possible that Super Guide could be brought into Galaxy 2, in which case we might very well see the increased difficulty that is present in the last 3rd or so of NSMB Wii
That said, I think it's quite possible that Super Guide could be brought into Galaxy 2, in which case we might very well see the increased difficulty that is present in the last 3rd or so of NSMB Wii
@joeshabadoo
Well, Miyamoto already said that Galaxy2 will see and increase in the difficulty:
"I do believe that there is a lot here to appeal to the more veteran and more experienced gamers, and I think it's a title that they will obviously enjoy, but I really took it into consideration and tried to do our best to create a game that's accessible to new gamers as well. And, you know, we also built it with consideration that we believe that people who played through the first Mario Galaxy have become better players."
Also, I would be very interested in seeing how they would implement the Super Guide on 3D games.
Well, Miyamoto already said that Galaxy2 will see and increase in the difficulty:
"I do believe that there is a lot here to appeal to the more veteran and more experienced gamers, and I think it's a title that they will obviously enjoy, but I really took it into consideration and tried to do our best to create a game that's accessible to new gamers as well. And, you know, we also built it with consideration that we believe that people who played through the first Mario Galaxy have become better players."
Also, I would be very interested in seeing how they would implement the Super Guide on 3D games.
I hate G4 so much now, such a gramer network now. Gamers should rise up and start a new channel!
Morgan Webb isn't even a gamer or gramer. She's admitted to the fact that she doesn't even play most of the games she reviews (unlike Adam) and that she has someone else play them and write a review.
Morgan Webb isn't even a gamer or gramer. She's admitted to the fact that she doesn't even play most of the games she reviews (unlike Adam) and that she has someone else play them and write a review.
Personally, I think G4 sucks, and this is one reason. Seriously, what the hell? I'm more insulted by her insult. *waits for that other guy on her show to give NSMBWii and Galaxy 2 a four or higher*
@kaminari
She said that? Well then I think that proves she's only on that show just as a way to bring in more male viewers. Can't they just get a real gamer girl on there then?
@kaminari
She said that? Well then I think that proves she's only on that show just as a way to bring in more male viewers. Can't they just get a real gamer girl on there then?
SMG Rocks for anyone who plays it.
And if your not down with that I got THREE, THREE WORD FOR YA!
Biased PS b*tch!
er PS = playstation.
I don't care wether or not she is biased or not, the whole point is to vent my rage at her for saying such a comment that SMG is aimed at kids purely......cant agree with that.
And if your not down with that I got THREE, THREE WORD FOR YA!
Biased PS b*tch!
er PS = playstation.
I don't care wether or not she is biased or not, the whole point is to vent my rage at her for saying such a comment that SMG is aimed at kids purely......cant agree with that.
Morgan Webb is not a gamer. Half the time she does reviews, she acts like a know-it-all and a b****.
I hate her so much. >.<
At least Adam knows what he is talking about when it comes to games.
And what's with all the Megaman bashing going on at X-Play? Morgan Webb must have a grudge against the franchise or something, cause all she does is complain and groan whenever they talk about a new Megaman game.
I hate her so much. >.<
At least Adam knows what he is talking about when it comes to games.
And what's with all the Megaman bashing going on at X-Play? Morgan Webb must have a grudge against the franchise or something, cause all she does is complain and groan whenever they talk about a new Megaman game.
And Super Mario Galaxy is one of the best games I have ever played. Yes it was a bit easy, but if you want a Mario game that is purely aimed at kids, go play Super Mario Sunshine.
I have never gotten into the Ratchet and Clank series. I heard it is a fun series with creative weapons, but after 7 (?) games and counting, I think Insomniac needs to lay off the series for a while. At least Naughty Dog knew when to take a break from the Jak and Daxter series.
I have never gotten into the Ratchet and Clank series. I heard it is a fun series with creative weapons, but after 7 (?) games and counting, I think Insomniac needs to lay off the series for a while. At least Naughty Dog knew when to take a break from the Jak and Daxter series.
@tendoboy1984
Sorry buy Sunshine was hardly for kids...
It had more narrative value, platforming freedom and difficulty than Galaxy ever did.
Sorry buy Sunshine was hardly for kids...
It had more narrative value, platforming freedom and difficulty than Galaxy ever did.
sooooo, Mario is insulting to adults but cheap toilet humor jokes from R&C are not?
Oh...
My...
God...
For years I've thought Morgan was an idiot based on many other foolish things she's said, but this is like the ultimate insult.
G4 proving once again their contempt for all things Nintendo. Glad I stopped watching that awful channel years ago.
My...
God...
For years I've thought Morgan was an idiot based on many other foolish things she's said, but this is like the ultimate insult.
G4 proving once again their contempt for all things Nintendo. Glad I stopped watching that awful channel years ago.
@DeAngelo Guillory
It was more of a snark toward the whole "Nintendo games are insulting toward adults" comment, than self delusion. Try not to read into that sentence too much.
It was more of a snark toward the whole "Nintendo games are insulting toward adults" comment, than self delusion. Try not to read into that sentence too much.
@EVIL-C
"For years I've thought Morgan was an idiot based on many other foolish things she's said"
That's what I always thought, and I actually quit watching the show because of some of these things. I also quit the show because, ironically, it was really immature. I remember they had a Mario special when Super Mario Galaxy (oh wow) came out, and I was looking forward to it because it was supposed to show the history of the franchise and show the best games and what not. Instead it was just insulting. They rehashed old jokes (oh Birdo is a guy... no she's a girl) and half of the show was dedicated to showing off the worst Mario characters and games. To top it off,when they listed Super Mario World as the best Mario game, they bashed it because it introduced Yoshi... actually that was the last time I watched the show. (other than E3 and a Brutal Legend special).
"For years I've thought Morgan was an idiot based on many other foolish things she's said"
That's what I always thought, and I actually quit watching the show because of some of these things. I also quit the show because, ironically, it was really immature. I remember they had a Mario special when Super Mario Galaxy (oh wow) came out, and I was looking forward to it because it was supposed to show the history of the franchise and show the best games and what not. Instead it was just insulting. They rehashed old jokes (oh Birdo is a guy... no she's a girl) and half of the show was dedicated to showing off the worst Mario characters and games. To top it off,when they listed Super Mario World as the best Mario game, they bashed it because it introduced Yoshi... actually that was the last time I watched the show. (other than E3 and a Brutal Legend special).
I never liked the b**** anyway, but now that she said this i have absolutely no respect for her. I would call Galaxy one of the best games of all time and im 23. Ratchet and Clank can suck my balls and so can g4. I know Nintendo Week is somewhat corny, but its better than this bullshit. Atleast we get honest previews/info without the overused Nintendo jokes that hardly make sense. Adamn gets on my nerves too but i still have respect for him. Get a real gamer chick on there.
You have to love how she talks about the burp gun in ratchet and clank is hilarious, but then goes on to say mario is for kids.
I checked my channel guide recently and looked at G4's daily lineup... it hardly even consists of game related shows anymore! G4's basically suffering the same problem as MTV: it's hardly focused on what the channel says it's supposed to be focused on. It might as well just be Spike TV 2 because then at least it'd be accurate.
A foolish thing from an idiot person. Like that's something new to the world.
Yeah.....this is why Morgan Webb and every other piece of trash on G4 keep me from ever watching that garbage. They're basically the "Anti-Nintendo" channel. I still remember before the "Wii" name was announced, all they could do that E3 coverage was make joke after joke about what the "Revolution" might be. But all they could say about PS3 and 360 was how great they were. That's about how it always goes on that worthless channel. Not to mention, Webb and Co. are some of the most annoying "nerds" you've ever sat and listened to. Ever.
As for what she actually said...that's amazing retarded. And I'll tell you why she said it. It's for the very same reason that "cool" kids back in the early 90s thought that Sonic was cooler than Mario, and that Sega was cooler than Nintendo, because they BOUGHT into the commercials and ad campaigns that TOLD them that Sega was "COOL", and Nintendo was just "FOR KIDS". Sony picked up where Sega left off when the Playstation came out, saying the same garbage in their campaigns, and later, even Microsoft got in on the act.
Nintendo has been stuck with this bulls**t "kiddy" label since the Sega Genesis days, all because of some stupid ads run by Sega of America that Sega of Japan didn't even approve of. Why? Because Japanese companies have the respect enough not to publicly tear down their competitors. At least they used to. But Sega of America thought the way to go, was to talk AS MUCH trash about Nintendo as humanly possible, all in a futile hope that kids would believe the hype, and go buy their "Blast Processing" machine. And it worked, a bit.
But then again, not really, because the Super Nintendo had the better games from the get go, and while the Genesis floundered after just a few short years (hence them coming out with the Sega CD, 32x and Nomad to try and resurrect interest), the SNES continued to dominate and come out with great games well into 1996, long after the Saturn and Playstation had already arrived.
Whatever. I've never been into the Ratchet and Clank games. I'm not going to say it's a bad series, but it's not as if it ever innovated a damned thing. In fact, I'd go so far as to say that it's a blatant ripoff in many ways of Jet Force Gemini on the N64.
If Mario Galaxy isn't "for everyone", then I don't know what is (besides Wii Sports, lol). But as far as platformer/action titles go, Mario is as "universal" as it gets. That's why Mario games are the highest selling franchise in video game history, because they're "just for kids". Yeah. Good job G4. Way to play to your market, the nerdy, insecure 30 somethings who think they're "cool" based on what system they own, just like they did back when the Genesis came out.
As for what she actually said...that's amazing retarded. And I'll tell you why she said it. It's for the very same reason that "cool" kids back in the early 90s thought that Sonic was cooler than Mario, and that Sega was cooler than Nintendo, because they BOUGHT into the commercials and ad campaigns that TOLD them that Sega was "COOL", and Nintendo was just "FOR KIDS". Sony picked up where Sega left off when the Playstation came out, saying the same garbage in their campaigns, and later, even Microsoft got in on the act.
Nintendo has been stuck with this bulls**t "kiddy" label since the Sega Genesis days, all because of some stupid ads run by Sega of America that Sega of Japan didn't even approve of. Why? Because Japanese companies have the respect enough not to publicly tear down their competitors. At least they used to. But Sega of America thought the way to go, was to talk AS MUCH trash about Nintendo as humanly possible, all in a futile hope that kids would believe the hype, and go buy their "Blast Processing" machine. And it worked, a bit.
But then again, not really, because the Super Nintendo had the better games from the get go, and while the Genesis floundered after just a few short years (hence them coming out with the Sega CD, 32x and Nomad to try and resurrect interest), the SNES continued to dominate and come out with great games well into 1996, long after the Saturn and Playstation had already arrived.
Whatever. I've never been into the Ratchet and Clank games. I'm not going to say it's a bad series, but it's not as if it ever innovated a damned thing. In fact, I'd go so far as to say that it's a blatant ripoff in many ways of Jet Force Gemini on the N64.
If Mario Galaxy isn't "for everyone", then I don't know what is (besides Wii Sports, lol). But as far as platformer/action titles go, Mario is as "universal" as it gets. That's why Mario games are the highest selling franchise in video game history, because they're "just for kids". Yeah. Good job G4. Way to play to your market, the nerdy, insecure 30 somethings who think they're "cool" based on what system they own, just like they did back when the Genesis came out.
He's just jealous Super Mario Galaxy is one of the highest rated games of all time and Ratchet and Clank gets meh reviews.
Okay, that's just like saying 9 (the animated movie) is for everyone, and Wall-E is just for kids. 9 wasn't bad, but we all know what the classic is, regardless of the viewer's age.
I find this ironic considering the time Insomniac once claimed Galaxy was "inspired" by one of the Ratchet & Clank games, despite Sonic Adventure 2 alone being released earlier, and the tech from Galaxy originating since Spaceworld 2000.
Anyway, Morgan Webb can suck it and go back to being a Man Show expy on the "Spike TV for Nerds" channel. I say fire her, replace her with Megan Fox, and see what difference it makes. Yes this is all ad hominem, but dammit, I just can't stand the G4's hyper-testosterone attitude. Remember when nerds were actually...nerds?
@Devil_Rising
@Eternal Rain
Ah...but I merely repeat your sentiments.
Finally, here's a great quote from C.S. Lewis:
"Critics who treat adult as a term of approval, instead of as a merely descriptive term, cannot be adult themselves. To be concerned about being grown up, to admire the grown up because it is grown up, to blush at the suspicion of being childish; these things are the marks of childhood and adolescence. And in childhood and adolescence they are, in moderation, healthy symptoms. Young things ought to want to grow. But to carry on into middle life or even into early manhood this concern about being adult is a mark of really arrested development. When I was ten, I read fairy tales in secret and would have been ashamed if I had been found doing so. Now that I am fifty I read them openly. When I became a man I put away childish things, including the fear of childishness and the desire to be very grown up."
I love this quote, and it makes me wish I had the balls to still watch Pokemon.
I find this ironic considering the time Insomniac once claimed Galaxy was "inspired" by one of the Ratchet & Clank games, despite Sonic Adventure 2 alone being released earlier, and the tech from Galaxy originating since Spaceworld 2000.
Anyway, Morgan Webb can suck it and go back to being a Man Show expy on the "Spike TV for Nerds" channel. I say fire her, replace her with Megan Fox, and see what difference it makes. Yes this is all ad hominem, but dammit, I just can't stand the G4's hyper-testosterone attitude. Remember when nerds were actually...nerds?
@Devil_Rising
@Eternal Rain
Ah...but I merely repeat your sentiments.
Finally, here's a great quote from C.S. Lewis:
"Critics who treat adult as a term of approval, instead of as a merely descriptive term, cannot be adult themselves. To be concerned about being grown up, to admire the grown up because it is grown up, to blush at the suspicion of being childish; these things are the marks of childhood and adolescence. And in childhood and adolescence they are, in moderation, healthy symptoms. Young things ought to want to grow. But to carry on into middle life or even into early manhood this concern about being adult is a mark of really arrested development. When I was ten, I read fairy tales in secret and would have been ashamed if I had been found doing so. Now that I am fifty I read them openly. When I became a man I put away childish things, including the fear of childishness and the desire to be very grown up."
I love this quote, and it makes me wish I had the balls to still watch Pokemon.
Well, at least we know Morgan is on the same level as Adam now. This whole fiasco is pretty similar to the Soapbox episode where Adam calls out the Left 4 Dead 2 boycott, saying you can't judge what you haven't played, but then says that Super Mario Galaxy 2 looks to be more of the same.
Someone needs to end this show, this channel, and everything that these two (including Sessler) in the game industry.
They have worn out their welcome. I just......I don't see who they benefit at all.
To "hate" something is a choice. Sure, it's a terrible, animistic feeling, but it has to be directed. This being said, I "hate" G4 and all things that Morgan Webb and Adam Sessler are associated with.
They have worn out their welcome. I just......I don't see who they benefit at all.
To "hate" something is a choice. Sure, it's a terrible, animistic feeling, but it has to be directed. This being said, I "hate" G4 and all things that Morgan Webb and Adam Sessler are associated with.
@Tendonin
"Okay, that's just like saying 9 (the animated movie) is for everyone, and Wall-E is just for kids. 9 wasn't bad, but we all know what the classic is, regardless of the viewer's age."
Oh my God, that was a perfect example.
EDIT:
And good lord that C.S. Lewis statement was fantastic. I'm not a fan of him (not because I don't like his books, it's because I've never read his books) but I just gained a lot of respect for him.
"Okay, that's just like saying 9 (the animated movie) is for everyone, and Wall-E is just for kids. 9 wasn't bad, but we all know what the classic is, regardless of the viewer's age."
Oh my God, that was a perfect example.
EDIT:
And good lord that C.S. Lewis statement was fantastic. I'm not a fan of him (not because I don't like his books, it's because I've never read his books) but I just gained a lot of respect for him.
I wish this show worked like government. I.e. the people can rebel/bombard the station with complaints and get 'em all fired.*
I'm not even from America and I already hate them all with a vengeance!
Morgan is such a demeaning b****.
*(Hey, it happens with the BBC constantly. Anarchy is fun.)
I'm not even from America and I already hate them all with a vengeance!
Morgan is such a demeaning b****.
*(Hey, it happens with the BBC constantly. Anarchy is fun.)
@bellboy
But the thing is, Nintendo fans are not the show's target audience. If anything they're getting a load of compliments.
But the thing is, Nintendo fans are not the show's target audience. If anything they're getting a load of compliments.
@terryxlr
Making a game that is lite on difficulty and not including a ton of story makes it more accessible to everyone. Mario Galaxy was a game for everyone because everyone could enjoy it. Sure, the hardcore crowd might say "oh Super Mario Galaxy is easy and is for kids cause it's on the Wii", but the hardcore crowd is a whole different group anyways.
I think the point people are trying to make is that it's silly they would say a game like Ratchet and Clank (which probably isn't exactly the easiest game for kids) is a game for everyone while a game like Super Mario Galaxy (which is totally difficulty friendly and content friendly for everyone) is insulting or adults and only good for kids, is insulting in itself. Morgan should have chose her words more wisely because now she's got a s*** storm to deal with it. haha.
Personally, I love them both a ton.
Making a game that is lite on difficulty and not including a ton of story makes it more accessible to everyone. Mario Galaxy was a game for everyone because everyone could enjoy it. Sure, the hardcore crowd might say "oh Super Mario Galaxy is easy and is for kids cause it's on the Wii", but the hardcore crowd is a whole different group anyways.
I think the point people are trying to make is that it's silly they would say a game like Ratchet and Clank (which probably isn't exactly the easiest game for kids) is a game for everyone while a game like Super Mario Galaxy (which is totally difficulty friendly and content friendly for everyone) is insulting or adults and only good for kids, is insulting in itself. Morgan should have chose her words more wisely because now she's got a s*** storm to deal with it. haha.
Personally, I love them both a ton.
@Tendonin
Dude....that quote WAS awesome! And I love C.S. Lewis! *high five*
But seriously, I've said something similar for years now. Who CARES what you like? Caring what someone else thinks about what you like, is both immature and ignorant. There should be no such thing as a "Guilty Pleasure". If you like something, admit it. If you're ashamed to admit to something you like, then maybe you shouldn't be liking it in the first place. My most listened to genre of music is heavy metal and hard rock, but I also like some Enya and Michael Jackson. So what? I also happen to love violent martial arts movies, AND Spongebob Squarepants (amazing show). SO WHAT? Anyone who actually cares enough about what I like, to make fun of me for it, has problems with themself, and are too immature to realize an adult can like whatever the hell they want, just the same a child.
I happen to like a lot of things that are considered "nerdy", such as video games, cheesy old sci-fi/horror movies, fantasy novels, comic books (not any new ones, but still), video games, heavy metal, etc. But the reason I don't consider myself a "nerd", is the same reason I don't consider myself a "jock" for loving sports either. A "nerd" is someone who allows what they do or what they like, to define who they are as a person. It's very important to them to have everything they do or like be a statement about who they feel they are, hence the reason most "nerds" are so immature, insecure, sexist, you name it. Arrested development is right.
I am not a "nerd", because who I am defines what I do, and the things I like. Not the other way around. These G4 idiots? They're the definition of "nerd".
Dude....that quote WAS awesome! And I love C.S. Lewis! *high five*
But seriously, I've said something similar for years now. Who CARES what you like? Caring what someone else thinks about what you like, is both immature and ignorant. There should be no such thing as a "Guilty Pleasure". If you like something, admit it. If you're ashamed to admit to something you like, then maybe you shouldn't be liking it in the first place. My most listened to genre of music is heavy metal and hard rock, but I also like some Enya and Michael Jackson. So what? I also happen to love violent martial arts movies, AND Spongebob Squarepants (amazing show). SO WHAT? Anyone who actually cares enough about what I like, to make fun of me for it, has problems with themself, and are too immature to realize an adult can like whatever the hell they want, just the same a child.
I happen to like a lot of things that are considered "nerdy", such as video games, cheesy old sci-fi/horror movies, fantasy novels, comic books (not any new ones, but still), video games, heavy metal, etc. But the reason I don't consider myself a "nerd", is the same reason I don't consider myself a "jock" for loving sports either. A "nerd" is someone who allows what they do or what they like, to define who they are as a person. It's very important to them to have everything they do or like be a statement about who they feel they are, hence the reason most "nerds" are so immature, insecure, sexist, you name it. Arrested development is right.
I am not a "nerd", because who I am defines what I do, and the things I like. Not the other way around. These G4 idiots? They're the definition of "nerd".
They are both aimed at everyone.
Ratchet and clanket looks and sounds just as much as a kids show as Mario Galaxy.
there are many kids movies with zap rays and fire arm weapons.
Ratchet and clanket looks and sounds just as much as a kids show as Mario Galaxy.
there are many kids movies with zap rays and fire arm weapons.
come on morgan, ratchet and clank have NOTHING on Mario. NOTHING. in fact, that comment shows how out of touch ms. webb is with the current videogame culture. it's becoming apparent that the playstation generation is never going to be swayed from their love of playing the same game over and over. puh-lease
@Dr_Peace
My dad saw me playing Super Mario Sunshine, and he told me not to play kids games. And I'm 24 years old! Trust me, I know what I am talking about.
My dad saw me playing Super Mario Sunshine, and he told me not to play kids games. And I'm 24 years old! Trust me, I know what I am talking about.
I suppose if I was 13 I might get all upset about this. But funny thing, a couple of years ago I got a temporary job with a newly formed video game website and when I was interviewed for an editor position somehow we touched on the topic of Morgan Web. Apparently she's the laughing stock of video game journalism.
I've played Ratchet and Clank on my friend's PS3. It is a fun game, but it's not very imaginative. The action can be mindless and repetitive, and the environments, while certainly beautiful, aren't that great overall.
I've played Ratchet and Clank on my friend's PS3. It is a fun game, but it's not very imaginative. The action can be mindless and repetitive, and the environments, while certainly beautiful, aren't that great overall.
There are so many things to angry about in that statement that I'm not even going to bother.
She did admit that Galaxy is for 'everyone', and anyone can indeed have fun with it, but the fact of the matter is that while it is still a fantastic game it had to be one of the most simplified games I've ever played in my life (at least when comparing it to it's predecessors). Almost all of the challenge was gone (save for the last thirty stars), many of the level designs were so cute I think they gave me diabetes, and, well, it was a kid-designed game all around, regardless of whether or not it resonated with the adults here.
SMG is undoubtedly a fantastic game, but as an adult, it almost was insulting to me, because of it's ease, it's art direction, etc. It went beyond your standard Mario fare into a level of kid-friendliness the series had never seen before.
but omg she said something negative about a Nintendo game, sooooo....
BIAS, she sucks, Ratchet and Clank sucks, G4 sucks, journalism sucks, and I definitely don't suck
(I still think she's a bimbo, but some of y'all take this omgbias bs to a level it doesn't reach in reality. I'm not saying it doesn't exist, but over the years it seems as though fans of all three systems - especially Nintendo fans - have lowered the bar as far as what constitutes hatred or bias)
@Scherzo
"AND Spongebob Squarepants (amazing show)"
I know I'm going off topic here but the last good Spongebob episode was the one where The Flying Dutchman moved into Spongebob's house.
The series has gone waaaaay downhill, ever since the movie. Nick dumbed the show down hardcore. Krabs is one-dimensional to the point of being obnoxious (whereas in previous episodes they managed to squeeze some humor out of it). Sandy is nothing but a plot device now. Patrick... don't even get me started, he was my favorite character before they botched him up the way they did.
SMG is undoubtedly a fantastic game, but as an adult, it almost was insulting to me, because of it's ease, it's art direction, etc. It went beyond your standard Mario fare into a level of kid-friendliness the series had never seen before.
but omg she said something negative about a Nintendo game, sooooo....
BIAS, she sucks, Ratchet and Clank sucks, G4 sucks, journalism sucks, and I definitely don't suck
(I still think she's a bimbo, but some of y'all take this omgbias bs to a level it doesn't reach in reality. I'm not saying it doesn't exist, but over the years it seems as though fans of all three systems - especially Nintendo fans - have lowered the bar as far as what constitutes hatred or bias)
@Scherzo
"AND Spongebob Squarepants (amazing show)"
I know I'm going off topic here but the last good Spongebob episode was the one where The Flying Dutchman moved into Spongebob's house.
The series has gone waaaaay downhill, ever since the movie. Nick dumbed the show down hardcore. Krabs is one-dimensional to the point of being obnoxious (whereas in previous episodes they managed to squeeze some humor out of it). Sandy is nothing but a plot device now. Patrick... don't even get me started, he was my favorite character before they botched him up the way they did.
@Tendonin
I remember a guy from Insomniac saying that.
That's all the more amusing considering Shegiru Miyamoto hasn't even heard of the Ratchet and Clank series.
And that quote from C.S. Lewis is spot-on. He is such a literary genius.
I remember a guy from Insomniac saying that.
That's all the more amusing considering Shegiru Miyamoto hasn't even heard of the Ratchet and Clank series.
And that quote from C.S. Lewis is spot-on. He is such a literary genius.
@WhatCD
If you want kid-friendly art direction, play Super Mario Sunshine. Yes it was challenging, but the cutesy colorful characters were just a turn-off for me. Same with Yoshi's Story, but that game had no challenge at all.
Yoshi's Island is another game with a cute art direction that is brutally difficult.
And Mario games are supposed to have cheerful art styles. That's what makes them unique.
If you want kid-friendly art direction, play Super Mario Sunshine. Yes it was challenging, but the cutesy colorful characters were just a turn-off for me. Same with Yoshi's Story, but that game had no challenge at all.
Yoshi's Island is another game with a cute art direction that is brutally difficult.
And Mario games are supposed to have cheerful art styles. That's what makes them unique.
@WhatCD
Actually.....
If you've ever watched G4, they DO most certainly have an anti-Nintendo bias. It's not our imagination, it's on the f**king channel. And quite frankly dude, your 2 cents on this is fairly laughable, considering half the comments you make yourself seem rather troll-like, if you ask me.
Just saying.
Actually.....
If you've ever watched G4, they DO most certainly have an anti-Nintendo bias. It's not our imagination, it's on the f**king channel. And quite frankly dude, your 2 cents on this is fairly laughable, considering half the comments you make yourself seem rather troll-like, if you ask me.
Just saying.
@tendoboy1984
Sunshine was cutesy for sure, but not on the level that Galaxy was. Sure, it was colorful, but I wasn't bouncing a castratto around on levels made out of cake or the insides of a toybox utilizing a pretty simplified control scheme in simplified and linear levels back on the Gamecube... was I? I don't think I was.
What really makes Mario stand out for me is the fact that despite all that, Galaxy still manages to be one of my favorite Wii games (if not my favorite). Just goes to show how great the series is.
@Devil_Rising
When I'm being a troll, I note it (I'll end my post with something like /trollan) unless it's exceedingly obvious. When I do it, it's either to be humorously sarcastic or to try to make a point without having to berate someone or resort to ad hominem bs (you know, something along the lines of 'ur a troll so ur upinin means nothin'... come on.). Otherwise, I'm usually completely serious. What I'm seeing here (and please correct me if I'm wrong) is you trying to invalidate a post I made that had a single sarcastic or trollan statement in it by acting as though that statement and statements like it define my posts, despite the fact that when I believe something, I explain exactly why I believe what it is I believe in a decidedly un-troll-like manner. Again, come oooooon. That's just being a meanie yo. :{ And honestly, who looks like a troll here? Sure, I was sarcastic, but you turned around and rather than explaining why I'm wrong, you simply acted as though my opinion is invalid because I don't jive with the hivemind. I'm definitely not saying you're a troll - you're one of the more intelligent posters here - I just don't think that kind of assessment of my posts was warranted, at all.
Anywhos, this is kind of what I was talking about on the forum a few weeks ago (viewtopic.php?f=4&t=7596). I'm labled things like a 'troll' or an HD fanboy despite the fact that I still enjoy the hell out of what each console this generation offers, simply because I happen to disagree with a fair amount of people who practically pledge allegiance to a specific company or set of games (I'm not saying you're like that - it's just my assessment of a good amount of the GN userbase that I've ended up having conversations with). As I admitted, I am sarcastic a fair bit of the time, but never at the expense of the point I'm trying to make at the time - and that's what keeps me from being a troll, the way I see it.
At any rate, G4 is idiotic with how they treat Nintendo with a lot of their quips. That much is obvious. When it comes to reviews, though, I've always thought they were more fair than people would have me believe - whenever an original effort isn't scored or regarded with the utmost respect by their crew, it's 'omgbias', and that bothers me (especially considering I've watched quite a few of their reviews and plenty of games on other consoles get bashed based on their respective faults regardless of their hype level a good bit of the time).
As I said before and on numerous occasions in the past, I'm not trying to pretend bias against Nintendo doesn't exist. I'm not trying to pretend people don't unfairly judge the Wii or Wii titles, either. I'm not trying to say that G4 is completely unbiased. I'm just asserting that, in many cases, lines are drawn linking some sort of action or statement to 'bias' that shouldn't be, or in other words, people are often seeing bias in this industry where there isn't.
please don't make fun of me for writing novels instead of posts, I dunno why but I'm not exactly the most succinct person on the planet. I'm working on it.
Sunshine was cutesy for sure, but not on the level that Galaxy was. Sure, it was colorful, but I wasn't bouncing a castratto around on levels made out of cake or the insides of a toybox utilizing a pretty simplified control scheme in simplified and linear levels back on the Gamecube... was I? I don't think I was.
What really makes Mario stand out for me is the fact that despite all that, Galaxy still manages to be one of my favorite Wii games (if not my favorite). Just goes to show how great the series is.
@Devil_Rising
When I'm being a troll, I note it (I'll end my post with something like /trollan) unless it's exceedingly obvious. When I do it, it's either to be humorously sarcastic or to try to make a point without having to berate someone or resort to ad hominem bs (you know, something along the lines of 'ur a troll so ur upinin means nothin'... come on.). Otherwise, I'm usually completely serious. What I'm seeing here (and please correct me if I'm wrong) is you trying to invalidate a post I made that had a single sarcastic or trollan statement in it by acting as though that statement and statements like it define my posts, despite the fact that when I believe something, I explain exactly why I believe what it is I believe in a decidedly un-troll-like manner. Again, come oooooon. That's just being a meanie yo. :{ And honestly, who looks like a troll here? Sure, I was sarcastic, but you turned around and rather than explaining why I'm wrong, you simply acted as though my opinion is invalid because I don't jive with the hivemind. I'm definitely not saying you're a troll - you're one of the more intelligent posters here - I just don't think that kind of assessment of my posts was warranted, at all.
Anywhos, this is kind of what I was talking about on the forum a few weeks ago (viewtopic.php?f=4&t=7596). I'm labled things like a 'troll' or an HD fanboy despite the fact that I still enjoy the hell out of what each console this generation offers, simply because I happen to disagree with a fair amount of people who practically pledge allegiance to a specific company or set of games (I'm not saying you're like that - it's just my assessment of a good amount of the GN userbase that I've ended up having conversations with). As I admitted, I am sarcastic a fair bit of the time, but never at the expense of the point I'm trying to make at the time - and that's what keeps me from being a troll, the way I see it.
At any rate, G4 is idiotic with how they treat Nintendo with a lot of their quips. That much is obvious. When it comes to reviews, though, I've always thought they were more fair than people would have me believe - whenever an original effort isn't scored or regarded with the utmost respect by their crew, it's 'omgbias', and that bothers me (especially considering I've watched quite a few of their reviews and plenty of games on other consoles get bashed based on their respective faults regardless of their hype level a good bit of the time).
As I said before and on numerous occasions in the past, I'm not trying to pretend bias against Nintendo doesn't exist. I'm not trying to pretend people don't unfairly judge the Wii or Wii titles, either. I'm not trying to say that G4 is completely unbiased. I'm just asserting that, in many cases, lines are drawn linking some sort of action or statement to 'bias' that shouldn't be, or in other words, people are often seeing bias in this industry where there isn't.
please don't make fun of me for writing novels instead of posts, I dunno why but I'm not exactly the most succinct person on the planet. I'm working on it.
"It feels like it's aimed at kids"
"It is, it is, 'cause it's for Wii."
Oh
my
God.
"It is, it is, 'cause it's for Wii."
Oh
my
God.
LOL @ Morgan Webb. FAIL!
How is Ratchet & Clank the only "platform shooter" when there's Crash Bandicoot still around. Before you know it, she's gonna say Borderlands is the only "role-playing shooter" available when there's Killing Floor and Fallout 3.
Besides.. Conker & Earthworm Jim > Ratchet & Clank
// Roth
How is Ratchet & Clank the only "platform shooter" when there's Crash Bandicoot still around. Before you know it, she's gonna say Borderlands is the only "role-playing shooter" available when there's Killing Floor and Fallout 3.
Besides.. Conker & Earthworm Jim > Ratchet & Clank
// Roth
@Roth
Crash Bandicoot is pure platformer, in the vein of Donkey Kong Country. And ever since Naughty Dog stopped developing the games, it is nowhere near the quality it had in Sony's hands.
Same with Spyro. Insomniac dumped Spyro to work on Ratchet and Clank.
2 of the early 3D platforming games are dead to me now.
Ratchet and Clank is fun from what I played, but Mario is slightly more imaginative.
Crash Bandicoot is pure platformer, in the vein of Donkey Kong Country. And ever since Naughty Dog stopped developing the games, it is nowhere near the quality it had in Sony's hands.
Same with Spyro. Insomniac dumped Spyro to work on Ratchet and Clank.
2 of the early 3D platforming games are dead to me now.
Ratchet and Clank is fun from what I played, but Mario is slightly more imaginative.
@Bentendo
Yeah.
Studio Exec: Uh, don't worry, guys!
This is... uh, FAN mail...!!
G4: We're cool and totally not-obnoxious!
Yeah.
Studio Exec: Uh, don't worry, guys!
This is... uh, FAN mail...!!
G4: We're cool and totally not-obnoxious!
@tendoboy1984
Pff.. Lol, so your dad told you to stop playing kids games while you played Sunshine and that's why it's a kids game?
Pff.. Lol, so your dad told you to stop playing kids games while you played Sunshine and that's why it's a kids game?
I got SMG on the the day it came out and I love it and I come back to it every now and then. I am 24 yrs old now and I love Mario games period I also got the new Ratchet and Clank and love it as well but between the two I still love Mario games all the way
i've played the first ratchet on ps3 , it was so boring and so easy , no challenge at all. Yep compare to that mario galaxy or nsmb wii/ds is way more complex , and give a real challenge.
ratchet , lbp , or banjo nuts and bolts not even close
ratchet , lbp , or banjo nuts and bolts not even close
This is why I don't have any respect for Morgan Webb and Adam Sessler anymore. When they're not masturbating to hardcore drivel, they're bashing anything and everything Wii related. It doesn't matter if their job requires them to act like this, they still lose major respect by any sensible gamer.
The industry needs to hurry up and die, it seems this s*** gets even more prevalent as time goes on.
The industry needs to hurry up and die, it seems this s*** gets even more prevalent as time goes on.
LOL GEE-FORE!
There ratings must really be bad to come right out and show their Nintendo hate rather than try to hide it and pass it off as being "sophisticated". Then again, spouting ridiculous nonsense and bullsh*t is how Fixed News managed to get the #1 slot, isn't it?
Watching G4 used to be mildly entertaining, as it was like watching a bunch of junior high kids act like important fine art critics. Now whenever my remote accidentally lands on that channel I notice no pretense of adulthood - just pure juvenile tripe that is only a stone's throw away from fart jokes. Kinda ironic considering Morgan Manjaw's criticizing the "maturity" of the game.
I guess old habits die hard.
@Tendonin:
^ THIS. Excellent quote.
There ratings must really be bad to come right out and show their Nintendo hate rather than try to hide it and pass it off as being "sophisticated". Then again, spouting ridiculous nonsense and bullsh*t is how Fixed News managed to get the #1 slot, isn't it?
Watching G4 used to be mildly entertaining, as it was like watching a bunch of junior high kids act like important fine art critics. Now whenever my remote accidentally lands on that channel I notice no pretense of adulthood - just pure juvenile tripe that is only a stone's throw away from fart jokes. Kinda ironic considering Morgan Manjaw's criticizing the "maturity" of the game.
I guess old habits die hard.
@Tendonin:
^ THIS. Excellent quote.
@internet
As much as I loved Mario Galaxy and, to a slightly lesser extent, NSMB, are you really going to claim that they were deep games in any way, shape or form?
They're pretty simple. In fact, I'd say that they're the most simplified games in the series. And neither are particularly challenging, either.
Neither is Ratchet and Clank, but you know what I'm saying.
As much as I loved Mario Galaxy and, to a slightly lesser extent, NSMB, are you really going to claim that they were deep games in any way, shape or form?
They're pretty simple. In fact, I'd say that they're the most simplified games in the series. And neither are particularly challenging, either.
Neither is Ratchet and Clank, but you know what I'm saying.
Troller be trollin' and we be bitin'.
Also, in regards to Galaxy, @WhatCD
simple and accessible controls (as a Wii game should be) with deep level design. I found some of the later levels beastly.
Also, in regards to Galaxy, @WhatCD
simple and accessible controls (as a Wii game should be) with deep level design. I found some of the later levels beastly.
On April 8, 2005, a partnership led by Comcast and Sony Pictures Entertainment finalized a deal to acquire MGM and its affiliate studio, United Artists, and create an additional outlet to carry MGM/UA's material for cable and Internet distribution.
G4, launched on April 24, 2002,[1] is headquartered in Los Angeles, California, United States, and owned by G4 Media, a majority-owned subsidiary of Comcast.
You dont say....
G4, launched on April 24, 2002,[1] is headquartered in Los Angeles, California, United States, and owned by G4 Media, a majority-owned subsidiary of Comcast.
You dont say....
BTW, while we are talking 3D platformers, can we PLEASE get another legit Rayman game?
No more Rabbids mini game fests. While they are fun, its not what I want from Rayman.
heck, I'd even take another Rayman Arena over a Raving Rabbids game.
No more Rabbids mini game fests. While they are fun, its not what I want from Rayman.
heck, I'd even take another Rayman Arena over a Raving Rabbids game.
@Necrochild313
Depends on your definition of deep. Not many stand out in my mind as being particularly 'deep', even though a few of 'em were challenging and less linear than the first few sets of levels.
Mario isn't a game that needs to be deep to be enjoyable, though, so I'm all cool with that. I was just debating that one dude's assessment that somehow, Galaxy is more complex or deep than games with entire level editors or machine builders and junk.
Depends on your definition of deep. Not many stand out in my mind as being particularly 'deep', even though a few of 'em were challenging and less linear than the first few sets of levels.
Mario isn't a game that needs to be deep to be enjoyable, though, so I'm all cool with that. I was just debating that one dude's assessment that somehow, Galaxy is more complex or deep than games with entire level editors or machine builders and junk.
I guess their reason for Ratchet and Clank being more for 'everyone' is because it has characters saying witty/funny things, actual dialogue. As if that suddenly makes something mature. Lol.
Well, whatever. Either way, Mario Galaxy is by far the superior title, it was one of the greatest and most polished games I've EVER played, and I can't wait for the sequel.
If that makes me 'kiddy' minded to like it, so be it. I'm 25 and I could care less about mudslinging like this.
=)
Well, whatever. Either way, Mario Galaxy is by far the superior title, it was one of the greatest and most polished games I've EVER played, and I can't wait for the sequel.
If that makes me 'kiddy' minded to like it, so be it. I'm 25 and I could care less about mudslinging like this.
=)
"..but Mario Galaxy feels like a game so much for kids."
"It is, and it is because that's the Wii."
Stupidest statements I have ever heard. That must the one of the stupidest, most ignorant things I've heard two professionals (and I use that term loosely) ever say. Unbelievable.
I don't want to get into this anymore, but let's just say they're both idiots that have no idea of what they're talking about.
"It is, and it is because that's the Wii."
Stupidest statements I have ever heard. That must the one of the stupidest, most ignorant things I've heard two professionals (and I use that term loosely) ever say. Unbelievable.
I don't want to get into this anymore, but let's just say they're both idiots that have no idea of what they're talking about.
As much as I love Ratchet and Clank, I have to disagree. Sure Galaxy was a little on the easy side, but Ratchet and Clank games aren't exactly hard either (unless you change the difficulty settings, but even then). I did not see Galaxy as a game insulting to my intelligence either. It was a fantastic game with great platforming and had a great balance with motion controls: they did not feel forced, but felt natural, which most Wii titles fail at.
I just don't see this as anything to get upset about. It's no more different than your friend telling you Nintendo is kiddy or something (everyone has one). Who cares? It comes as no shock to me why this is top news. G4 has sucked since 2005 or so anyway. Now it's just white trash TV with COPS and Cheaters.
But throwing a fit over this is dumb. Hate+Nintendo+Journalist=This is top news (which is dumb in the first place, who cares, nothing new) and some of you guys want to rip their throat out for saying anything negative about your Klan Leader... errr... Mario/Nintendo.
"That stupid b****, I hope she f*** dies and rots for saying such a thing. Die b****, DIE!!!! That f*** damn piece of s*** c*** would never see the light of day or work if I had the power!"
The comment was stupid, yes, but let's think logically here: Is sending her hate mail and chewing her out and all kinds of slanderous crap going to prove a point? No. (If any of you do go as far as e-mailing her, be mature on the matter rather than chew her out). I used to think Nintendo fans were better than that, but ever since 2007 or so, I don't know anymore. A good number of fans anymore act like any other fanboy for a product: Some need a diaper on their head because that's where the crap comes out. It's like ever since the Wii became a success, some of you think that means "you were right about the industry all along. Because Nintendo is in the lead this gen, that makes you superior to anyone else. Nintendo would come back, so that makes them (and you) right on everything."
(I'm sure SEGA fans thought the same as well.)
I just don't see this as anything to get upset about. It's no more different than your friend telling you Nintendo is kiddy or something (everyone has one). Who cares? It comes as no shock to me why this is top news. G4 has sucked since 2005 or so anyway. Now it's just white trash TV with COPS and Cheaters.
But throwing a fit over this is dumb. Hate+Nintendo+Journalist=This is top news (which is dumb in the first place, who cares, nothing new) and some of you guys want to rip their throat out for saying anything negative about your Klan Leader... errr... Mario/Nintendo.
"That stupid b****, I hope she f*** dies and rots for saying such a thing. Die b****, DIE!!!! That f*** damn piece of s*** c*** would never see the light of day or work if I had the power!"
The comment was stupid, yes, but let's think logically here: Is sending her hate mail and chewing her out and all kinds of slanderous crap going to prove a point? No. (If any of you do go as far as e-mailing her, be mature on the matter rather than chew her out). I used to think Nintendo fans were better than that, but ever since 2007 or so, I don't know anymore.
A good number of fans anymore act like any other fanboy for a product: Some need a diaper on their head because that's where the crap comes out. It's like ever since the Wii became a success, some of you think that means "you were right about the industry all along. Because Nintendo is in the lead this gen, that makes you superior to anyone else. Nintendo would come back, so that makes them (and you) right on everything."(I'm sure SEGA fans thought the same as well.)
@kentatm
According to Nintendo Everything, a new Rayman game should be coming to DSiware.
@WhatCD
I had the impression that Galaxy's level design lacked of depth. There was a huge variety in levels, but they were linear, as the progressions in the game, in the hub, and between the different scenarios. All in all, the game was awesome, but it was really different than the other two.
About the topic, well The few time I've watched G4, it was pretty terrible. I hate this kind of show, like this or The Bonus Round, GTTV, etc... That's why I love Nintendo Week. It's not what you can call "cool" or "trendy". But that's a good show.
According to Nintendo Everything, a new Rayman game should be coming to DSiware.
@WhatCD
I had the impression that Galaxy's level design lacked of depth. There was a huge variety in levels, but they were linear, as the progressions in the game, in the hub, and between the different scenarios. All in all, the game was awesome, but it was really different than the other two.
About the topic, well The few time I've watched G4, it was pretty terrible. I hate this kind of show, like this or The Bonus Round, GTTV, etc... That's why I love Nintendo Week. It's not what you can call "cool" or "trendy". But that's a good show.
I love Ratchet and Clank. You know who else i like, Quarck, Captain Quarck. A prime example of mature character development and hardcore adult themes.
I find it funny how at first people were making fun of the Wii for only having an audience of old people, but then you can say that Mario Galaxy for kids because its on the Wii? Wow. On a side note, are guns and blood the only things needed now to be mature? Cause I used to think it was more than that.
I would die of embarrassment if I was caught playing Super Mario Galaxy.
Whats Morgan webbs Email??? I gotta let the b**** know nobodys ****s with Mario.
@wiiarebrothers
Hey thanks. I guess now I have to get a DSI.
Still, I would really prefer a console version. Rayman 3 just wasn't nearly as good as the first two.
As for all this kiddie talk... Well, whatever. If its fun, I play it. I don't worry about the rest.
Hey thanks. I guess now I have to get a DSI.
Still, I would really prefer a console version. Rayman 3 just wasn't nearly as good as the first two.
As for all this kiddie talk... Well, whatever. If its fun, I play it. I don't worry about the rest.
@kentatm
So simple and so true.
I didn't mind so much when Morgan joined X-Play in the beginning. I certainly prefer her over Kristin Holt.
But this last year she has been so stuck up and prissy, it's nauseating. I hate how she has to go off on a tangent in her reviews saying how she hated a certain movie making it sound worse than it actually is, not to mention not having anything to do with the game.
I've gotten a few of the R&C games based on their reviews. The first game got a 3/5 saying it was a "So-so" platformer, but the rest of the games have gotten nothing but 5's. I've only played up to the second game so far, and I thought "Meh". It's... fun (in some parts more than others) and there's some good aspects, but definitely not 5/5 material. Certainly not as satisfying as something like Uncharted or SMG.
To anyone whose played more of the games, do they really get miraculously better over time?
Now just beating Sly 2: Band of Thieves. THERE'S a fun satisfying platformer. Surprised no one's mentioned that series yet. That series really deserves a good PS3 installment.
So simple and so true.
I didn't mind so much when Morgan joined X-Play in the beginning. I certainly prefer her over Kristin Holt.
But this last year she has been so stuck up and prissy, it's nauseating. I hate how she has to go off on a tangent in her reviews saying how she hated a certain movie making it sound worse than it actually is, not to mention not having anything to do with the game.
I've gotten a few of the R&C games based on their reviews. The first game got a 3/5 saying it was a "So-so" platformer, but the rest of the games have gotten nothing but 5's. I've only played up to the second game so far, and I thought "Meh". It's... fun (in some parts more than others) and there's some good aspects, but definitely not 5/5 material. Certainly not as satisfying as something like Uncharted or SMG.
To anyone whose played more of the games, do they really get miraculously better over time?
Now just beating Sly 2: Band of Thieves. THERE'S a fun satisfying platformer. Surprised no one's mentioned that series yet. That series really deserves a good PS3 installment.
It's times like these when I question Morgan Webb's status as a gamer chick.
She's cool, but that was just straight up dumb.
She's cool, but that was just straight up dumb.
Damn its nice to see all of us Nintendo fans band together. We should do this more often 
as stated above g4 has a bias against nintendo. and its simply because they are trying to connect with their ignorant, frat boy, booby blinded, poop laughing, midget insulting, alcohol binging, pot smoking, madden/gta only playing fan base. there was a time when that channel was the epitome of gaming television.at least to me. you could get fair reviews and decent information on everything there is to know on gaming.. then they started showing the man show and screen savers became aots.. and everything went down the pooper.(hahahaha... "poop")
now back to the topic at hand.. that is the single dumbest statement i have ever heard come out of that station. god forbid nintendo put their focus on fun. i mean, come one, on KIDS like to have FUN. mario galaxy, mario games in general, are all about FUN! ive played a couple ratchet and clank. good games. solid games. entertaining games. but i wouldnt say FUN. in mario im not looking for the nearest save point so i can stop playing. i blow through a ton of them before realizing that i have to put the damn controller down so i can take care of my important ADULT things.
(now pretending morgan webb will ever read some random comments section on some random site)
i am 26 years old, ms webb and mario galaxy beat out bioshock as the best game of 07 for me PERSONALLY. and guess what?.. i loved me some bioshock.. good.. solid.. smart.. entertaining.. intriguing game. but not FUN!
you insult me by assuming you know a damn thing about adults.. or gamers.. or adult gamers.. or.. or anything for that matter. reform tech tv, put xplay back on that, move from catering to douchebags and then call me.. maybe ill start giving a damn what you say
now back to the topic at hand.. that is the single dumbest statement i have ever heard come out of that station. god forbid nintendo put their focus on fun. i mean, come one, on KIDS like to have FUN. mario galaxy, mario games in general, are all about FUN! ive played a couple ratchet and clank. good games. solid games. entertaining games. but i wouldnt say FUN. in mario im not looking for the nearest save point so i can stop playing. i blow through a ton of them before realizing that i have to put the damn controller down so i can take care of my important ADULT things.
(now pretending morgan webb will ever read some random comments section on some random site)
i am 26 years old, ms webb and mario galaxy beat out bioshock as the best game of 07 for me PERSONALLY. and guess what?.. i loved me some bioshock.. good.. solid.. smart.. entertaining.. intriguing game. but not FUN!
you insult me by assuming you know a damn thing about adults.. or gamers.. or adult gamers.. or.. or anything for that matter. reform tech tv, put xplay back on that, move from catering to douchebags and then call me.. maybe ill start giving a damn what you say
I agree with most of the Anti Webb sentiments on the basis of her 'argument' but it would be better to email it to her.
We need to Email that b****. She is not gonna know the she ****ed up by us just talking about it here.
Wow. While I think all of you are hostile and raving mad over something stupid, I do agree that she is wrong. Like, dead wrong.
At nearly 22, Galaxy is far more entertaining to me than Ratchet/Clank or Jak/Daxter games ever were or will be.
Not that they are bad, but they hold nothing to my enjoyment with 3D Mario.
At nearly 22, Galaxy is far more entertaining to me than Ratchet/Clank or Jak/Daxter games ever were or will be.
Not that they are bad, but they hold nothing to my enjoyment with 3D Mario.
morgan manjaw thinks that a game about a furry that basically rehashes the conkers BFD humor without the obscenities, is for everyone, while mario is for kids?
yep. sounds like her...actually, sounds like xplay.
nope, take that back, it sounds like ALL OF G4
ignore them, i dont know a single person who still watches g4, because they just rail on the wii constantly, and unless you are a ps3 fanboy, its hard to see any console get railed on for no reason.
wii gets little coverage, no respect, and is hated there, oh well.
yep. sounds like her...actually, sounds like xplay.
nope, take that back, it sounds like ALL OF G4
ignore them, i dont know a single person who still watches g4, because they just rail on the wii constantly, and unless you are a ps3 fanboy, its hard to see any console get railed on for no reason.
wii gets little coverage, no respect, and is hated there, oh well.
@hcig
I always thought they favored the 360, but that's besides the point. I don't care what they think (or any media outlet). Some of you are more touchy about Nintendo in general than some races are with racism and racist jokes. There's something very wrong about that.
I always thought they favored the 360, but that's besides the point. I don't care what they think (or any media outlet). Some of you are more touchy about Nintendo in general than some races are with racism and racist jokes.
There's something very wrong about that.
@WhatCD
really.. here is a comparison to help you understand my meaning.
mario galaxy was like running around in a field or a park, forgetting youre an adult and having fun.
bioshock was like.. reading a damn good book. one you dont want to put down and you cant wait to see what comes next. so very fulfilling and entertaining but you didnt forget yourself.. see what i mean?
you werent wide eyed with a huge smile.. youre hunched forward, blank faced and sweaty palmed
really.. here is a comparison to help you understand my meaning.
mario galaxy was like running around in a field or a park, forgetting youre an adult and having fun.
bioshock was like.. reading a damn good book. one you dont want to put down and you cant wait to see what comes next. so very fulfilling and entertaining but you didnt forget yourself.. see what i mean?
you werent wide eyed with a huge smile.. youre hunched forward, blank faced and sweaty palmed
@Hongo
to be quite honest.. i reeeally hate g4.. and ill take any reason to b**** about them.. and this is a good one
to be quite honest.. i reeeally hate g4.. and ill take any reason to b**** about them.. and this is a good one
@kernal
I don't like them either, they are all about White Trash TV with COPS and Cheaters reruns almost all day. Trust me, I dearly miss the days of Tech TV. That was the best channel ever. Call for Help, The Screen Savers, Eye Drops, Anime Unleashed, Extended Play (before Adam was uber annoying with X-Play), etc. Good days. G4 themselves used to be good too (with shows like Icons, when they were about video games and Filter).
I personally think G4 merged with Tech TV JUST for Extended Play/X-Play. But over time, they actually managed to botch that show up like everything else.
Too bad it's now 2009 and not 2002-2004.
I don't like them either, they are all about White Trash TV with COPS and Cheaters reruns almost all day. Trust me, I dearly miss the days of Tech TV. That was the best channel ever. Call for Help, The Screen Savers, Eye Drops, Anime Unleashed, Extended Play (before Adam was uber annoying with X-Play), etc. Good days. G4 themselves used to be good too (with shows like Icons, when they were about video games and Filter).
I personally think G4 merged with Tech TV JUST for Extended Play/X-Play. But over time, they actually managed to botch that show up like everything else.
Too bad it's now 2009 and not 2002-2004.
It's crap like this that make me more and more disenfranchised with "hardcore" gamers. It's like they are trying to speak for all of us. I am a hardcore NINTENDO gamer....and I never really thought there was much of a difference, until now.
I think a lot of you are really overreacting here. I'm not saying she's right, not at all, but still. It's just one persons opinion. If she likes Ratchet & Clank more than Mario Galaxy, what do you care? You're acting like she came to your house, killed your mother, and molested your cat. Again, I don't agree with her. I'll always find Mario more appealing than Ratchet & Clank and Mario Galaxy is just as much for everyone as Ratchet & Clank. But you guys need to chill out.
And enough with the G4 is biased against Nintendo crap. G4 may crack some jokes about Nintendo, but when it comes to reviews they give credit where credit is due. Galaxy got a 5/5, Brawl got a 5/5, Wii Sports Resort got either a 4/5 or 5/5 (I can't recall), third party offerings like No More Heroes got a 5/5. You guys need to stop taking every negative comment aimed at Nintendo as anti-Nintendo bias.
And enough with the G4 is biased against Nintendo crap. G4 may crack some jokes about Nintendo, but when it comes to reviews they give credit where credit is due. Galaxy got a 5/5, Brawl got a 5/5, Wii Sports Resort got either a 4/5 or 5/5 (I can't recall), third party offerings like No More Heroes got a 5/5. You guys need to stop taking every negative comment aimed at Nintendo as anti-Nintendo bias.
Morgan Webb is gorgeous, but I guess after that comment she is just another pretty face that doesn't really know anything about video games.
Oiyee... (Hey, if she can be over the top, so can I.)
And if the game has a "belch" attack, it is meant for kids as well.
Oiyee... (Hey, if she can be over the top, so can I.)
And if the game has a "belch" attack, it is meant for kids as well.
@Sgt Scyther
THIS!!!
It's like I said in an earlier post about this: It is no different than your friend saying Nintendo is kiddy. But because it's Morgan Webb, time to rip her throat out and piss on G4 even when they have given great ratings to a good number of Wii games.
THIS!!!
It's like I said in an earlier post about this: It is no different than your friend saying Nintendo is kiddy. But because it's Morgan Webb, time to rip her throat out and piss on G4 even when they have given great ratings to a good number of Wii games.
@Hongo
This a thousand times.
@Sgt Scyther
This as well. Everyone makes fun of Nintendo, even people who only own Nintendo, unless you crazy. Stop the insanity.
Morgan made a stupid comment. Okay. lol. Actually, the host is the one who says "yeah, it's for Wii", while Morgan just says it feels aimed for kids. And when you consider how easy the game is, and stuff, you can't really complain about that statement.
The problem is mostly the fact she pretends Ratchet is any less for kids, right after talking about belch attacks.
But you guys need to stop acting like you're some ethnic minority in the early 1900's.
This a thousand times.
@Sgt Scyther
This as well. Everyone makes fun of Nintendo, even people who only own Nintendo, unless you crazy. Stop the insanity.
Morgan made a stupid comment. Okay. lol. Actually, the host is the one who says "yeah, it's for Wii", while Morgan just says it feels aimed for kids. And when you consider how easy the game is, and stuff, you can't really complain about that statement.
The problem is mostly the fact she pretends Ratchet is any less for kids, right after talking about belch attacks.
But you guys need to stop acting like you're some ethnic minority in the early 1900's.
Guys. X-Play lost all credibility when they stopped being a review show and starting being Attack of the Show without any of the appeal. Who the hell cares about what she says?
Oh wait. Let me rephrase. X-Play never had any credibility to begin with. They had a horrible review system, never going past the blatant positives and negatives and basically just never really explaining why some points were lost from the game they were reviewing. It was terrible.
Oh wait. Let me rephrase. X-Play never had any credibility to begin with. They had a horrible review system, never going past the blatant positives and negatives and basically just never really explaining why some points were lost from the game they were reviewing. It was terrible.
@Hongo
im tellin ya.. i remember when the only commercial g4 played was a pringles commercial and they would repeat the same shows again and again.. and again. but i was fine with that! i was a nerd.. and i had my station.. and all was right with the world.. but you speak words of truth o wise one.. if only it were a simpler time..
im tellin ya.. i remember when the only commercial g4 played was a pringles commercial and they would repeat the same shows again and again.. and again. but i was fine with that! i was a nerd.. and i had my station.. and all was right with the world.. but you speak words of truth o wise one.. if only it were a simpler time..
@kernal
I miss the simple times. Then again, I don't have G4 anymore anyway.
@Afrohawk52
I have to agree that most of the time, they don't talk about the game. lol.
@XCWarrior
I don't know that gorgeous is a word I'd use for Morgan Webb...
And it's not like she doesn't know anything about games.
I miss the simple times. Then again, I don't have G4 anymore anyway.
@Afrohawk52
I have to agree that most of the time, they don't talk about the game. lol.
@XCWarrior
I don't know that gorgeous is a word I'd use for Morgan Webb...
And it's not like she doesn't know anything about games.
Because a super hero going by the name as Quark and makes jokes that makes 3 year-olds laugh is soooooo more adultly... And playing as furry animals with robot toys following is soooooo mature, right?
@MoldyClay
@Sgt Scyther
the problem is is that they are a MAJOR publication. you have to give credit where credit is due so they have to give good games good reviews. but when i hear "its time to pull your wii out of the closet" or "its time to dust off your wii" or "has your wii been feeling lonely" before reviews.. it gets a little old.
and people, aka consumers, listen to this and to some it reflects the public view on the console, which could mean people shying away from the console. which could mean a lack of interest, which could effect sales, which could effect developers/publishers wanting to put games on said console which directly effects, us, the gamers. if it was just a friend.. youd say "hey, youre wrong.. and heres why" but these people have a duty to be fair minded. they are, in a way, part of the game industry in terms of their effect on consumers. (now, "they" is more of a blanket term for "game tv/magazine/website")
and are you guys really surprised by the reaction? this is gonintendo. a nintendo website.. where (most) people here are fans of nintendo and feel passionately about the company and its games.
if you want to see irrational people being ignorant.. check out any comments section on a political website especially mentioning obama.. than you will see the wackos and unhinged individuals
@Sgt Scyther
the problem is is that they are a MAJOR publication. you have to give credit where credit is due so they have to give good games good reviews. but when i hear "its time to pull your wii out of the closet" or "its time to dust off your wii" or "has your wii been feeling lonely" before reviews.. it gets a little old.
and people, aka consumers, listen to this and to some it reflects the public view on the console, which could mean people shying away from the console. which could mean a lack of interest, which could effect sales, which could effect developers/publishers wanting to put games on said console which directly effects, us, the gamers. if it was just a friend.. youd say "hey, youre wrong.. and heres why" but these people have a duty to be fair minded. they are, in a way, part of the game industry in terms of their effect on consumers. (now, "they" is more of a blanket term for "game tv/magazine/website")
and are you guys really surprised by the reaction? this is gonintendo. a nintendo website.. where (most) people here are fans of nintendo and feel passionately about the company and its games.
if you want to see irrational people being ignorant.. check out any comments section on a political website especially mentioning obama.. than you will see the wackos and unhinged individuals
@Sgt Scyther
I think the bigger point perhaps you're missing, is that it isn't just her opinion. She is being represented as a gaming "expert", telling any idiot watching, as a professional game reviewer and "journalist", that Mario Galaxy is a game for kids, and that any adult should be ashamed to be caught playing it.
That isn't just her opinion, she's literally saying that. Even though it's so full of s**t it's not funny, she is representing the channel G4's stance on that game, and on the Wii in general, and it goes on to echo in the halls of internet nerdiness everywhere. That matters, because not only is she wrong to say so, but it's unprofessional as hell to call a game most have agreed is a masterpiece, a "kiddy" game that adults shouldn't play.
You know, the best example of how stupid G4 is, and one of the reasons when the channel was still young even, that I had already decided to stop watching, was when they were doing a retro gaming bit, and some host chick who I'm not sure is on anymore, was talking about Goldeneye.
When she was done, she said "Without a doubt, Goldeneye was one of the best games to ever hit the Super Nintendo".
That right there, made me just shake my head, and change the channel.
I think the bigger point perhaps you're missing, is that it isn't just her opinion. She is being represented as a gaming "expert", telling any idiot watching, as a professional game reviewer and "journalist", that Mario Galaxy is a game for kids, and that any adult should be ashamed to be caught playing it.
That isn't just her opinion, she's literally saying that. Even though it's so full of s**t it's not funny, she is representing the channel G4's stance on that game, and on the Wii in general, and it goes on to echo in the halls of internet nerdiness everywhere. That matters, because not only is she wrong to say so, but it's unprofessional as hell to call a game most have agreed is a masterpiece, a "kiddy" game that adults shouldn't play.
You know, the best example of how stupid G4 is, and one of the reasons when the channel was still young even, that I had already decided to stop watching, was when they were doing a retro gaming bit, and some host chick who I'm not sure is on anymore, was talking about Goldeneye.
When she was done, she said "Without a doubt, Goldeneye was one of the best games to ever hit the Super Nintendo".
That right there, made me just shake my head, and change the channel.
@RogersBase
Actually, if you're referring the the video review, that was Adam Sessler.
http://g4tv.com/games/wii/31364/super-m ... xy/review/
Personally, I think the latest Ratchet & Clank games are more fun than Super Mario Galaxy. The difficulties with SMG are mostly associated with the controls and I've actually started muting the TV when I start the game up so I don't have to hear Charles Martinet say the game's title in his annoying voice. Also, Ratchet & Clank did influence my decision to get a PS3 while I didn't even bother to buy SMG until I found it used at a reduced price, and I'm still not sure I should have bought it because parts of it tick me off so much. However, SMG does have its moments and I know it to be very popular. I don't know where Morgan got the idea that the game makes adults feel insulted unless she was told to say it or is just saying what she thinks the audience (or Sony) wants to hear. It doesn't insult my age (29) or intelligence, it just insults my tolerance with the less-than-perfect controls and my ears with Mario's voice (I'm OCD about playing games with the sound on). This almost seems more like an advertisement for the latest R&C game based on what they were saying, and I'm insulted that the guy on the left (whatever his name is) implied that the Wii was only for kids. He's done that before when talking about The Conduit with Morgan.
Actually, if you're referring the the video review, that was Adam Sessler.
http://g4tv.com/games/wii/31364/super-m ... xy/review/
Personally, I think the latest Ratchet & Clank games are more fun than Super Mario Galaxy. The difficulties with SMG are mostly associated with the controls and I've actually started muting the TV when I start the game up so I don't have to hear Charles Martinet say the game's title in his annoying voice. Also, Ratchet & Clank did influence my decision to get a PS3 while I didn't even bother to buy SMG until I found it used at a reduced price, and I'm still not sure I should have bought it because parts of it tick me off so much. However, SMG does have its moments and I know it to be very popular. I don't know where Morgan got the idea that the game makes adults feel insulted unless she was told to say it or is just saying what she thinks the audience (or Sony) wants to hear. It doesn't insult my age (29) or intelligence, it just insults my tolerance with the less-than-perfect controls and my ears with Mario's voice (I'm OCD about playing games with the sound on). This almost seems more like an advertisement for the latest R&C game based on what they were saying, and I'm insulted that the guy on the left (whatever his name is) implied that the Wii was only for kids. He's done that before when talking about The Conduit with Morgan.
Yup, Ratchet and Clank Future IS SERIOUS BUSINESS!
Thanks for the LOLz, Webb!
Thanks for the LOLz, Webb!
AAAAAAAAAAHHHHHHHHHHHHHH!!
I love Ratchet and Clank, and used to like X-Play, but this statement is SOOO stupid. Super Mario Galaxy can potentially be fun for anyone. Plus, the other X-Play host, Adam, loved SMG.
I love Ratchet and Clank, and used to like X-Play, but this statement is SOOO stupid. Super Mario Galaxy can potentially be fun for anyone. Plus, the other X-Play host, Adam, loved SMG.
*facepalm* What an idiot, at first I thought there was some logic to this like Ratchet & Clank being a little more mature, dark, or maybe its the HD graphics but no. The game is barely different from Galaxy in those aspects, though slightly it is not much still.
~facepalmepicfaillolroflcopter~
Damn, Morgan Webb...Respect Points -10.
I'll bet Adam Sessler wouldn't be so stupid as to say something like this.
I've played both games and they're both just as cartoony and goofy. At least Galaxy doesn't supply us with "meh" comedy writing that fails to live up to its prequels and sticks to what matters: the GAME.
Just sayin'.
R+C:F was a good game, don't get me wrong. I just found it disappointing in terms of the writing, in general. It had bits of comic gold but R+C2 and even 3 and in general Deadlocked all had me laughing way more than this one.
That said, G4 isn't all bad against Nintendo, in general, I think they actually give Nintendo credit where it's due, honestly. They give proper credit to the quality games that hit it, even if they're not core games.
Damn, Morgan Webb...Respect Points -10.
I'll bet Adam Sessler wouldn't be so stupid as to say something like this.
I've played both games and they're both just as cartoony and goofy. At least Galaxy doesn't supply us with "meh" comedy writing that fails to live up to its prequels and sticks to what matters: the GAME.
Just sayin'.
R+C:F was a good game, don't get me wrong. I just found it disappointing in terms of the writing, in general. It had bits of comic gold but R+C2 and even 3 and in general Deadlocked all had me laughing way more than this one.
That said, G4 isn't all bad against Nintendo, in general, I think they actually give Nintendo credit where it's due, honestly. They give proper credit to the quality games that hit it, even if they're not core games.
i really fail to see at all the difference. really, how is ratchet and clank more 'mature' than galaxy? in what way possible? i mean if you gave me another title i might have agreed somewhat, but ratchet and clank? you might as well have just used crash bandicoot. this is exactly why i don't watch G4 anymore. its the imbecile tasteless, and ignorant hosts that make the network unbearable. i use to love g4.
I fell offended to have that woman reviewing games ... she's hot and dumb like some say
"Mario Galaxy feels so aims for Kids"
"It is, it is 'cause its for Wii"
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I dont even want to say anything.
"It is, it is 'cause its for Wii"
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I dont even want to say anything.
For God's sake, the worst part of that conversation is the answer. "It is, because it's on the Wii!"
God*******damnit. I can't believe it. So glad we don't get that around these parts.
God*******damnit. I can't believe it. So glad we don't get that around these parts.
@BigLord
Sadly, BigLord, we do get that kind of thing round here. From so called Nintendo fans.
That isn't to say that everyone has to praise the ground Nintendo walks on. Nintendo has done plenty of things I don't like. And it's perfectly okay to have a dissenting opinion on a game. But really, there's a difference between that, and what some people on here, and elsewhere, like to do.
Sadly, BigLord, we do get that kind of thing round here. From so called Nintendo fans.
That isn't to say that everyone has to praise the ground Nintendo walks on. Nintendo has done plenty of things I don't like. And it's perfectly okay to have a dissenting opinion on a game. But really, there's a difference between that, and what some people on here, and elsewhere, like to do.
ok, sorry RMC, I try not to seize EVERY opportunity to grow our community.... but I just feel like there are so many posts in this topic and some of them sound like they would really benefit from joining up over at WIIAREDEEP.TK
check out the site, see if your approach to gaming is in line with ours - and if it is, sign in the forums and say hi!
check out the site, see if your approach to gaming is in line with ours - and if it is, sign in the forums and say hi!
Errr... Sadly, too many of the comments on this story sound a lot like delusional mental disorders (no, really). Read some of these crazy comments. Seriously, some of the people need to get a grip on reality. Who even cares what Morgan Webb or anyone else says? She did not insult your family or you or kick your puppy. Those would be things to get upset about. She made a remark about a FICTIONAL GAME about a FICTIONAL CHARACTER.
People talk crap about stuff I like all the time (Pokemon for example). Do I think they are wrong? Yes. Do I care? No. Do I riot and cuss and send e-mails? Nah.
Awww... Mario has feelings and Nintendo loves you for you and not because you give them your money and keep them in business. They are like your mother or grandmother.
People talk crap about stuff I like all the time (Pokemon for example). Do I think they are wrong? Yes. Do I care? No. Do I riot and cuss and send e-mails? Nah.
Awww... Mario has feelings and Nintendo loves you for you and not because you give them your money and keep them in business. They are like your mother or grandmother.
I, uh.... Ratchet and Clank is a pretty good series overall, and Future especially was above average. That being said, saying that adults should be ashamed to play Super Mario Galaxy is just juvenile in and of itself.
I'm not going to act like a toddler and begin throwing curse words at her, but she is just plain out wrong.
I'm not going to act like a toddler and begin throwing curse words at her, but she is just plain out wrong.
@rpguy_ad
Well, I'll give you that.
Anyway, I feel so much better taking out that huge rage dump on Manjaw Webb.
Well, I'll give you that.
Anyway, I feel so much better taking out that huge rage dump on Manjaw Webb.
What you guys are saying makes me sad for how gamers really are. Since Morgan said just one little thing about Galaxy, you feel the need to attack R&C. Ratchet and Clank don't deserve it.
Wow, talk about blowing things out of proportion. She says one out of line comment and suddenly she's considered the worst person on the planet to some of you.
@Orca
It's not just "one comment". It's everything about her that pisses me off.
For starters, there's MUCH more hardcore gamers than her that are the gentler sex. Morgan Webb's knowledge of videogames is textbook at best and her position on what games should have is typical of the post-PlayStation era gamer of insecure meatheads and fratboys with NES-only retrogaming memories.
A REAL girl gamer like Dena Natali would SNAP THAT B*TCH IN TWO for reinforcing the message that gamers should continue that "judge a book by its cover" fallacy.
While it's true Nintendo has no problem selling their games, my concern is that gamers mind controlled by her cooch (exaggeration) would follow her every whim and judge OTHER games that way.
The fact is it shouldn't matter whether or not a game "looks" or "feels" kiddy. If it's fun to pick up and play, you're an idiot if you berate gamers for wanting to use a TOY.
Besides, Morgan Webb is an ugly broomstick.
It's not just "one comment". It's everything about her that pisses me off.
For starters, there's MUCH more hardcore gamers than her that are the gentler sex. Morgan Webb's knowledge of videogames is textbook at best and her position on what games should have is typical of the post-PlayStation era gamer of insecure meatheads and fratboys with NES-only retrogaming memories.
A REAL girl gamer like Dena Natali would SNAP THAT B*TCH IN TWO for reinforcing the message that gamers should continue that "judge a book by its cover" fallacy.
While it's true Nintendo has no problem selling their games, my concern is that gamers mind controlled by her cooch (exaggeration) would follow her every whim and judge OTHER games that way.
The fact is it shouldn't matter whether or not a game "looks" or "feels" kiddy. If it's fun to pick up and play, you're an idiot if you berate gamers for wanting to use a TOY.
Besides, Morgan Webb is an ugly broomstick.
galaxy wasn't as good as everyone wants to believe it is.
everyone raved about the level design, but really, after the planet hop, what else is there? the level design clearly didn't take that much thought.
i think the biggest issue is that with nintendo fans, because it's from nintendo, and it's mario, therefore it's perfect and to hell with anyone that says otherwise. i mean, i guess, but honestly, i didn't have that much fun with it.
make no mistake, i didn't hate it, and i love the idea in concept, but actual fulfillment of said concept, that's another story all together.
as for the comment in question...at least we're not talking about yoshi's story, which you honestly had to be 6 years old to enjoy, so i'm not sure i'd go as far as she did.
MG had some good parts and some dumb parts, so i kinda get what she means but i wouldn't go as far as she did, at least not without a few examples.
everyone raved about the level design, but really, after the planet hop, what else is there? the level design clearly didn't take that much thought.
i think the biggest issue is that with nintendo fans, because it's from nintendo, and it's mario, therefore it's perfect and to hell with anyone that says otherwise. i mean, i guess, but honestly, i didn't have that much fun with it.
make no mistake, i didn't hate it, and i love the idea in concept, but actual fulfillment of said concept, that's another story all together.
as for the comment in question...at least we're not talking about yoshi's story, which you honestly had to be 6 years old to enjoy, so i'm not sure i'd go as far as she did.
MG had some good parts and some dumb parts, so i kinda get what she means but i wouldn't go as far as she did, at least not without a few examples.
actually i would give her credit if we are talking about weapons and power ups, if ninintendo fans could grow up a bit and take someones opinion and debate that, rather than attacting the person in question, then prehaps things would be better for us all.
mario galaxy power ups suck, they do, i'm sorry, the bee suit is queer at best (and i mean queer in the true meaning of the word, not in a f** way, though it does work that way too).
Bee suits and timed fireflowers vs the cool weapons you get in a R&C game. one should feel insulted.
the power-ups in New Mario Bros wii are weak as well. So when you take what she said in light of just the power-ups, she's dead on.
mario galaxy power ups suck, they do, i'm sorry, the bee suit is queer at best (and i mean queer in the true meaning of the word, not in a f** way, though it does work that way too).
Bee suits and timed fireflowers vs the cool weapons you get in a R&C game. one should feel insulted.
the power-ups in New Mario Bros wii are weak as well. So when you take what she said in light of just the power-ups, she's dead on.
@bearded OTP
Oh please. Super Mario Sunshine was fairly underwhelming and MOST Nintendo fans let their dissatisfaction be heard, so cut the crap.
Mario Galaxy is easily one of the top 5 games of this generation, period. IGN, Gamespot, GameTrailers, 1up, Gamepro, Game Informer, and many other top publications all agree. For her to trivialize a masterpiece like this by saying that playing it is "insulting" is in of itself insulting.
If you don't like the powerups, good for you. But please don't think you speak for the hardcore gaming community, when the community agrees that Mario Galaxy is absolutely top shelf.
Oh please. Super Mario Sunshine was fairly underwhelming and MOST Nintendo fans let their dissatisfaction be heard, so cut the crap.
Mario Galaxy is easily one of the top 5 games of this generation, period. IGN, Gamespot, GameTrailers, 1up, Gamepro, Game Informer, and many other top publications all agree. For her to trivialize a masterpiece like this by saying that playing it is "insulting" is in of itself insulting.
If you don't like the powerups, good for you. But please don't think you speak for the hardcore gaming community, when the community agrees that Mario Galaxy is absolutely top shelf.
@bearded OTP
You do know what a Mario game is right? Because I'm not getting the impression that you do.
Seriously, the Tanooki Suit looks like feetie pajamas for a child but to most that remember Super Mario Bros. 3 being culturally relevant it was actually a symbol of badass.
If the measure of a game to you is based on comparing it to what other titles have, I'm afraid you're not a gamer, you're insecure and you're exactly the reason why game design is going toward a downward spiral of grim and gritty settings.
It's not to say that Ratchet and Clank is falsely "mature" by any means, but the draw of the game has ALWAYS been gadgets so it makes sense that there's weapons and tools out of the wazoo. It really doesn't make Mario a better game if Professor E.Gadd ended up making Mario a slew of weapons and gadgets because that would require redefining Mario altogether in place of a power-up.
Last I checked in video games
-It doesn't seem realistically plausible for a robot to die from spikes and yet it happens.
-Justin Bailey implies the atmosphere of Zebes is breathable
-Food in trash cans is fresh and good for your health
-The President can be kidnapped by a group of ninja and yet two street thugs can take 'em out.
-Major battles are turn based.
-You cannot suffocate in a volcano or become affected by convection.
-A 17 year old can compete in boxing matches against adults of varying weight classes FAR beyond his own.
And so forth. Don't ask for the suspension of disbelief to be tempered a little higher for videogames. You play them to have fun and kill time, it's not a pissing contest of "My character's less embarrassing than yours".
The only people that think that are weak foolish people that have no balls. Morgan Webb diddles those people and you're starting to look like one.
@Proto
I don't believe in that "community" crap. There will always be factions of gamers that believe they know what games should be, but saying "gamer community" makes it sound like we're like the Legion or something being all of one mind.
I like what I like. If others don't, fine but don't think me misguided just because I do. It's like telling a grown man he should be ashamed of watching Bugs Bunny cartoons when he should embrace Family Guy or Squidbillies...why? Because there's sex and swearing? That's not maturity people, when are you going to learn?
You do know what a Mario game is right? Because I'm not getting the impression that you do.
Seriously, the Tanooki Suit looks like feetie pajamas for a child but to most that remember Super Mario Bros. 3 being culturally relevant it was actually a symbol of badass.
If the measure of a game to you is based on comparing it to what other titles have, I'm afraid you're not a gamer, you're insecure and you're exactly the reason why game design is going toward a downward spiral of grim and gritty settings.
It's not to say that Ratchet and Clank is falsely "mature" by any means, but the draw of the game has ALWAYS been gadgets so it makes sense that there's weapons and tools out of the wazoo. It really doesn't make Mario a better game if Professor E.Gadd ended up making Mario a slew of weapons and gadgets because that would require redefining Mario altogether in place of a power-up.
Last I checked in video games
-It doesn't seem realistically plausible for a robot to die from spikes and yet it happens.
-Justin Bailey implies the atmosphere of Zebes is breathable
-Food in trash cans is fresh and good for your health
-The President can be kidnapped by a group of ninja and yet two street thugs can take 'em out.
-Major battles are turn based.
-You cannot suffocate in a volcano or become affected by convection.
-A 17 year old can compete in boxing matches against adults of varying weight classes FAR beyond his own.
And so forth. Don't ask for the suspension of disbelief to be tempered a little higher for videogames. You play them to have fun and kill time, it's not a pissing contest of "My character's less embarrassing than yours".
The only people that think that are weak foolish people that have no balls. Morgan Webb diddles those people and you're starting to look like one.
@Proto
I don't believe in that "community" crap. There will always be factions of gamers that believe they know what games should be, but saying "gamer community" makes it sound like we're like the Legion or something being all of one mind.
I like what I like. If others don't, fine but don't think me misguided just because I do. It's like telling a grown man he should be ashamed of watching Bugs Bunny cartoons when he should embrace Family Guy or Squidbillies...why? Because there's sex and swearing? That's not maturity people, when are you going to learn?
Here's how it is: Mario is a classic Disney/Disney-Pixar movie. It's slick, classy, and always good.
Ratchet and Clank is a Dreamworks movie- sometimes great but mostly just entertainment with really bad fart jokes put in.
And I should add that Morgan Webb was most likely paid by Sony to say what she said.
Ratchet and Clank is a Dreamworks movie- sometimes great but mostly just entertainment with really bad fart jokes put in.
And I should add that Morgan Webb was most likely paid by Sony to say what she said.
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We're making a serious game for adults. This character's name is "Clank." You will take him seriously.