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October 29, 2009 by The News Team
Filed Under: Nintendo in general, DSi
Nintendo DSi LL
4.2 inch mon x 2
Nov 21, 2009
20000 yen
DS：横148.7mm／縦84.7mm／厚さ28.9mm
DSLite：横133.0mm／縦73.9mm／厚さ21.5mm
DSi：横137.0mm／縦74.9mm／厚さ18.9mm
DSi LL：横161.0mm／縦91.4mm／厚さ21.2mm
Default stylus is 4 mm longer than the DSi stylus
The long "touch pen" is just about 40 mm longer than the DSistylus
Weighs approximately 50% more than the DSi/Lite
1 - 3 hrs more battery life than DSi, depending on screen brightness
3 hour charge (same as DS Lite, 30 mins longer than DSi)
Comes pre-installed with...
* A Bit of Brain Training: Arts
* A Bit of Brain Training: Science
* Kiyou Akira Rakuhiku Language Easier
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@ maz killer: If only I had a dime for everytime I heard that one.
Any you know what? I'd buy it.
But I probably will anyways
Yup. And upon seeing it, it looked much bigger in that magazine scan to me. Still, if someone had to choose between this model and the original DSi...they'd be crazy not to choose this one. Damn.
I can't wait to see the internets whinestorm about to be unleashed.
Really huge!!!!!
Games are simply going to be output in lower resolutions, making them look worse than they otherwise would.
Of course, recent trends point to Nintendo not really caring about things like that anymore. Still, if you're going to do something like this, why not just make a more powerful handheld?
@ryan82
You'd have ten cents?
For what it is - a model for older people - Nintendo hit the nail square on the head. The design of the pen stylus, the shapes of the system, the size for larger or older hands, and the size of the screen so it's easier to use. Perfect.
This ladies and gentlemen, tells me DSi is a long term platform, and that this is another means to keep it that way. I hope it opens up a new handheld market for Nintendo's older crowd that the Wii has. This may even get more Wii owners to get a DS.
I applaud this, but at the same time know that it's not for me.
I still have to say WOW at the screen... dang. The battery life also amazes me.
Yeah thats what I heard too, I think its pretty cool that Ninty is opening up the console market to older ones.
Games like Brain Training have been marketed to older ones for a while now BUT it would be a waste if they couldn't see them properly.
Its nice that Nintendo cares about gamers young and old. Don't be suprised to see a "kiddie" DS with Yoshi stickers released soon (you heard it here first lol)
PS lets hope the internets don't twist this good gesture like they always do.
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Y? Because they care about old folks? Don't you love Grandad lol
The fancy stylus is nice, and of course the huge screens are a neat incentive.
But man, that thing is bulky now, The extra bulk on it is just not very appealing.
It is appealing for me! I never take my DS with me whenever I go out anyways. I always play it when I'm at home. Also, that stylus is awesome.
/envy
I remember in High School I used to carry my PSP around in my pocket with no problem. Other students would carry it in their pocket too with a protective case (made the thing bulkier) and they never complained.
I think it's gonna be the same case here (except now I wear tighter jeans, so that might be a problem lol...). I tend to carry a messenger bag or backpack anyway.
Many women (and young girls too) carry a purse anyway, so they can place the DSi LL with no problem.
I really don't see such a problem with the size. My only concern is the whole pixel thing. I really love the new screen size and I will get the DSi LL, but the whole pixel thing really does concern me...
Ah, yes I can see where you're coming from.
I have small hands, and I occasionally take my DS when I go out (although I do play it mostly at home), and to me, the DSi size feels perfect for what I want it for.
I have to admit though, if the Wine Red DSi LL comes out in NA, I will have to put a lock on my bank account to resist buying it.
It may be a foreshadowing about the Wii's successor some may argue.
Also, since I'm seeing a major lack of being able to transfer games from i to i, I might import one. (Which works for me, giving me the Japanese shop channel and DSiJP-exclusives.)
Then again, I lack money.
I wouldn't worry too much about the pixelation, I mean, it can't be much worse than playing 16 bit games on the Wii on a decent sized LCD, can it?
I think this game is a smaller version of the Japanese Kanji Dictionary that was released by the time of the old classic DS. But they'll probably never localize that !
Wow, the burgundy just practically smells of senior citizens!
Trying to aim on Hunters would be damn near impossible on a screen that big
I'll stick with my lovely little DSi thanks.
20000 Yen = 220 US dollars.
Heck, I'd settle for Art Academy even.
Best digital sketchbook ever!!!
That's all I have to say...
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Still want one though... b*stards...
Oh, and it doesn't hurt the core, after all
Ugh, a longer battery life...not cool move to us DSi early adopters. Marginally longer battery life puts it around the life of the DS Lite.
Why do you say that? Why are there people who complained about the existence of a DSi, don't buy it, then ask for a successor to the DS line.
Is it more horsepower? The DSi has that. Would the new successor to the DS be backwards compatible with the DS? The DSi works with all DS games.
It covers the successor territory when the time for DSi exclusive carts will appear on the market.
Damn.
Each one of those screens is nearly PSP-screen sized.
So just because they made the screens bigger makes it reason to upgrade? Not once have I ever looked at my DS and said "Oh man I wish the screens were bigger". You know why I never said that? Because the resolution will be the EXACT same. There will be pixels up the ass and from what i've seen from the DSi, motion blur will become much more prevalent. I regret buying my DSi at all simply at the fact that the DS is reaching the end of its cycle and I doubt DSiWare will ever actually pick up. The only thing my DSi is good for that my DSLite couldn't do was fit in my pocket so I could use it instead of an iPod because i'm waiting for Apple's next refresh. This new DSi can't even fit in your pocket. Some portable system this is going to be.
Heh heh, that's what she said...
But seriously, I'm not going to get it. It's too large for me. I'm fine with a 3.25 inch instead of a 4.2. Quality reduced, and it's much heavier. So, I pass Nintendo.
It's HUGE.
Now I'm on a big dillema. DSi LL or DSi?
I personally wouldn't mind less resolution in order to get an image more fit to my eyes.
It certainly loses portability but this is clearly for grandma's bag and grandpa's huge back pockets.
This is NOT huger than Original Style DS. It's much thinner, almost as slim as DSi. I think I'm leaning towards it instead of DSi. Really, it depends mostly on its release date, which HAVE to be before SoulSilver, as well as the resolution, which I hope will not make graphics too pixelated.
do want
Btw, what does the LL stand for?
'Ladies Love' as in Cool James lol
I have no clue.
But this is gonna be awesome.
Folks who think the 'resolution' will be worse or the image will be 'stretched' haven't been paying enough attention to how the DSi makes the image bigger.
I will enjoy this.
As it is now, I hardly take my DSi with me and opt instead for my smaller and lighter iPod touch. The DSi LL monstrosity would never leave the house!
It's odd that after 6 years of DS that they now choose to make an extra large version.
@Wiggymaster
The DSi is already a more powerful handheld over the DS Lite (CPU, RAM, and WiFi upgrades and more).
Hmm.. 3 hour charging time, and 1-3 hours longer battery life than existing DSi? Damnit, now I may have to upgrade again. Screen size is one thing but the battery life extension and relatively short charging time is sweetening the deal quite a bit for me.
My only concern is whether or not I am able to transfer all my existing DSi profile and application stuff to the DSi LL. I assume Flipnote Studio will come pre-installed as it does on regular DSi units now, but what about the DSiWare games I've downloaded?
@ maz killer: If only I had a dime for everytime I heard that one. "
What that second poster said.
20K Yen... = £132.89/$218.833...
SOLD!
LL is the equivalent of XL in japan.
"I really don't see the point to this."
Here's a hint: Look at the software included to get an idea of the target demographic.
*ba-dum psh*
Pun failed.
My friend tells me that LL seems to mean "XL" to the Japanese. You know, XL as in "Extra Large" and such.
@Melee85
Got it..
Alas, my DS phat is perfectly capable as is right now, so I'll wait it out until a more appropriate colour comes out. Besides, no noteworthy DSi exclusive games out right now excluding a free flipbook game/app, lol.
So stop whining about how nintendo is raping you in the ass. It wasn't meant for you anyway. Cry some moar.
LL = "Lame Lipoff"
@Benito
Good one!
At one point, the DS cost 130 new.
Now it costs over 200 new
Thanks Nintendo. You really care
Wow so buy the still available $129 one then.
@Mattiac
RR = "Rather Racist"
@rupee
I agree, and though I am probably gonna buy this one when/if it comes out here, I am certainly not going to think I'm fresh and hip for having the Granny version lol
I guess there's no holder for the pen-like stylus other than your shirt pocket.
You now get two screens just 0.1 inches smaller than PSP....and larger than PSPGO.
I am also in a dilema do I get DSi or DSiLL ... er if it is coming to the UK...er I havnt read the official stuff YET....was too excited?! =]
Yeah it comes with two. I think that somehow that pen stylus does fit in it but we will have to wait for a full translation to know I thinkies.
Yes. Let me quote Ricky Gervais from an SNL short: "It's funny because it's racist."
http://www.8asians.com/2008/05/19/satur ... se-office/
I'm not a racist though, and I hate racists. One of my best friends is from South Korea. He's a game designer and he's not impressed by the new DSi. Another of my best friends is from Chile. Another friend is from Finland. I also know a girl whom is half-Korean half-Swedish and she's one of the cutest, smartest and most talented girls (or humans for that matter!) I've ever met!
Edit: My friend from Chile makes rather racists jokes about Swedes for example and I join him joking about Swedes even though I'm Swedish. People first complained when Sacha Baron Cohen made jokes about jews until they found out that he's actually a jew himself. That's strange. I don't mind if people joke about Swedes. By the way; Inga from Sweden says hi!
http://blog.gamer20.com/wp-content/uplo ... megear.jpg
If I can take that beast on road trips and have fun playing it (which I have), I think I can handle any other handheld.
In other words, the image will look fine. You need to get significantly larger than 4" before 320 x 240 starts to look bad.
I'm impressed that the battery life is actually going to be improved on this thing. If it comes to the US I may consider it, depending on how it looks in person and if there's a reasonable trade-in deal.
Actually, scratch that. I can't transfer the games I've downloaded. So Nintendo would have to create an avenue for that as well.
I know, and people tend to think the L/R thing is fair game, I was just weirded out.
No list of your ethnic friends and the racist things they say about each other is necessary lol
But yeah that skit you are alluding to was pretty funny, I think the funniest part was when Ricky said 'It's funny because it's racist' at the end
@Gogetenks
Thank you. Let's watch how many people acknowledge you said that though. So far I've had zero luck. Even people defending the larger screens seem to think it will be stretched, they simply say they won't mind. I'm glad you at least realize it!
You too buddy!
But how long from now until there's a real update, not just to the screen size and outside but the insides? The real DS 2. Or Super DS. Or DS+.
Personally I like Super DS.
Don't forget about the Atari Lynx. It was bigger than the GameGear.
Seriously, God damn, if you don't know how resolutions and pixels work, then don't talk your disgust about them. This is going to be the same resolution, the same amount of pixels, the same exact image as previous DS's except bigger. There will be no pixel stretching, there will be no "pixelling", it's the same picture but like if you were using a slightly bigger magnifying glass.
There is a reason I don't talk about cars or tell people how this part of a car shouldn't work; Because I don't know anything about cars. I use one, that doesn't mean I know anything about it. Stay out of the technical stuff guys, see how fast this "pixeling" stuff has spread like wildfire among the morons? Probably due in part to that image that was shown the other day of horribly stretched DS screens in JPG without proper ratio stretching.
i'm glad that other than scaling the size it's not really any different from the DSi... i already thought the 'i' was a mistake that splinters the DS market, so at least this just offers some variety.
won't be buying this though... the smaller/tighter the pixel density, the sharper things are going to look, all other things being equal. but i wonder if the larger area will allow for a different kind of precision with the stylus?
Still, I love that red color. That's A color I would have enjoyed on the DSi.
It'd be great if someone could find out. As I said, the DS is a great thing for sketching and quickpainting. Even if the display resolution didn't improve, having a better touch screen and bigger size would already be tempting.
@WesFX
As weird as it may be, I really don't use my DS to have a console when I go on trips or in the subway or something, but when I'm having coffee with my parents for example or whenever I have something I can use it next to. Be it gaming, painting or learning something. My mum for example uses the DS to play Layton next to watching TV if it's something that's not demanding full attention. There's probably more people out there that use it like that than one might think.
Check out Art Academy! It has GREAT drawing abilities, with different types of pencils/erasers/brushes, the ability to specify flat or vertical pencil placement, mixing colors, dabbing the brush in water, etc.
It's a great program, you can save your images and upload them straight to facebook!
Oh, it's a DSi app? Can't try it then, having no DSi and all. I'll keep it in mind if I ever get one.
@gLitterbug
I think you hit it right on the head... Nintendo knows their audience very well, just look at their ads, Phoebe, Beyonce, Carrie Underwood, etc. all using their DS in the living room, sofa or place of leisure. Although I'm not saying that you won't see people on the bus or subway on their DS, I think portable handhelds are more and more becoming portable consoles.
It is a DS on steroids.
McDaniel-77
P.S.: 320x240 would be nice, the DSi is 256x192 pixel.
But they should've called it XL. ;P
Yeah its a series that teaches you how to draw, (people more experience/already artists should just jump into the 2nd one) but it also has a brilliant art work making mode. Yeah, if you do get a DSi totally get that DSiWare!
@rioka
The one for the West is called 'XL' 'LL' is basically what they says for 'XL' in japan, I've learned since this announcement.
Super playable?
Even better, imagine playing Taiko no Tatsujin on it. You could probably use actual drumsticks.
I think I'll stick to my DS Lite for now, anyway, 'cause I like being portable.
Here are some modest things I've painted with Art Academy:
Onsen
Shibuya Girl
I actually took the time to check at the Colors! forum. The DSi has no pressure sensitivity on it's screens. Went ahead, installed and true enough, can't use that function. That's a bit of a bummer... but I still have hope for Inchworm, which is also coming out as DSiWare:
Inchworm Website
That Art Academy seems to have an interesting paint engine. It really gives off a traditional materials feel.
I am not sure if you mean the DSi only has no pressure sensivity or the DS in general, but I know that Colors! has a kind of pseudo-pressure sensitivity algorithm. The DS touch screen is only single-touch, but it can calculate a mean if you put pressure on two points. Like seen in a puzzle in Hotel Dusk, where you have to press two levers at the same time and it actually works because they know where the mean has to end up if you push the right places.
According to the forum webmaster, they haven't been able to enable pressure sensitivity for the DSi specifically.
As one of the improvements of their upcoming version, they tout better screen sensitivity even at edges and corners. So I'm thinking they optimized or changed the algorithm significantly. I guess hope is still alive for me to get my digital Moleskine working as I want it to...
Nintendo has been making sound business decisions for a while now. Their research probably showed this was a viable platform. Will everybody like it?
Probably not. But you can bet there are solid financial projections behind the decision.
Just out of Interest. Does the cougar in your nickname refer to the mammal of the Felidae family or another certain use of the word?
Exactly. Nintendo should have just waited to release the DSi XL and price it at $169, instead of segmenting the market with 2 different models.
Now the current DSi is obsolete, and the DS Lite should be discontinued now that there are 2 DSi models out.
I was going to get a DSi, but now I'll just wait and get this DSi XL when it comes out. I don't want to be stuck with an obsolete handheld.
So Much for Portability Nintendo. Definitely not on my Birthday list.
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