more
November 2, 2009 by The News Team
Filed Under: Wii
"A notable dip can be seen in sales of Wii this year; which is approximately half the size of last year. On the other hand, Sony's PS3 showed a good transition and they increased the unit sales by about 50%... Although we held more than a 60% hardware market share through last year - Wii has 42% and PS3 40% share thus far this year - so both machines are neck and neck in Japan." - Satoru Iwata
Nintendo has acknowledged that the hardware race is a lot tighter nowadays than it was just a year ago, but they believe that their price drop is going to help them out a lot, especially in North Americal.
"we are to regain the momentum during the upcoming sales season, and we are well in the position to do so."
Story Feedback
Neck and neck in Japan.
Yet everyone here says the Wii is 'fine' because of its overall lead.
Yet everyone here says the Wii is 'fine' because of its overall lead.
@mariomaniac45213
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=UagyRfiQlZg
Well, he eats, so he most likely breathes as well.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=UagyRfiQlZg
Well, he eats, so he most likely breathes as well.
@MushroomVigilante
I meant because he won't stop taliking RMC has posted so much about Iwata in the last 7 days.
I meant because he won't stop taliking RMC has posted so much about Iwata in the last 7 days.
@Burgers
Well, the Wii is still a ways ahead. And this far into the generation console sales don't mean much anymore, its software sales that matter.
Which leaders me to wonder:
Just what are all the 'evergreen' PS360Wii titles [i.e. the ones that continued to sell after its début month]?
We should see such lists more often than console sale[s] ones methinks.
Well, the Wii is still a ways ahead. And this far into the generation console sales don't mean much anymore, its software sales that matter.
Which leaders me to wonder:
Just what are all the 'evergreen' PS360Wii titles [i.e. the ones that continued to sell after its début month]?
We should see such lists more often than console sale[s] ones methinks.
One game geared towards gamers and casual gamers playing together is not going to rekindle the fire into the Wii's lackluster hardcore games only offerings.
And a light-gun game from Capcom isn't changing the general attitude 3rd parties have for the machine.
You know what's sad? I hooked the Wii back into the living room and I didn't know what to play. I wanted to pop in Mario Galaxy but I beat it twice with Mario and Luigi. I played Twilight Princess enough times and I don't want to play a laggy Brawl match.
This is depressing.
And a light-gun game from Capcom isn't changing the general attitude 3rd parties have for the machine.
You know what's sad? I hooked the Wii back into the living room and I didn't know what to play. I wanted to pop in Mario Galaxy but I beat it twice with Mario and Luigi. I played Twilight Princess enough times and I don't want to play a laggy Brawl match.
This is depressing.
@MrBubbles
"One game geared towards gamers and casual gamers playing together is not going to rekindle the fire into the Wii's lackluster software offerings."
It was enough to do it on the DS when NSMB was released. I can't wait to watch you doubters shut up once NSMB Wii does what it is meant to.
Also, buy more than 3 games if you want to enjoy your wii (or troll better. I'm sure it's the latter).
"One game geared towards gamers and casual gamers playing together is not going to rekindle the fire into the Wii's lackluster software offerings."
It was enough to do it on the DS when NSMB was released. I can't wait to watch you doubters shut up once NSMB Wii does what it is meant to.
Also, buy more than 3 games if you want to enjoy your wii (or troll better. I'm sure it's the latter).
@Inneverate
Put a lid on it, I've had it up to here with you Nintendo fans who act as if they have stock in the company.
Sales, sales, sales.
And I do have more than 3 Wii games, troll smarter, not harder.
Put a lid on it, I've had it up to here with you Nintendo fans who act as if they have stock in the company.
Sales, sales, sales.
And I do have more than 3 Wii games, troll smarter, not harder.
@Chosenoneknuckles
RE5 is no evergreen title but still managed to become the second best selling Capcom title. And CoD4 managed the 10mi units in a year.
It doesn't really matter a title being evergreen or not when basically only Nintendo manages to make those (and many of them of questionable quality), and other titles can sell just as well/ almost as well/ close enough. Sales = money, no matter how many years it takes to do it.
@MrBubbles
Don't you have friends to call to play Brawl? Have you played Muramasa or Little King Story? They are awesome. Even if you don't think you want them, try them out.
RE5 is no evergreen title but still managed to become the second best selling Capcom title. And CoD4 managed the 10mi units in a year.
It doesn't really matter a title being evergreen or not when basically only Nintendo manages to make those (and many of them of questionable quality), and other titles can sell just as well/ almost as well/ close enough. Sales = money, no matter how many years it takes to do it.
@MrBubbles
Don't you have friends to call to play Brawl? Have you played Muramasa or Little King Story? They are awesome. Even if you don't think you want them, try them out.
@MrBubbles
The point is gamers like you. Don't matter in the overall Hardware scheme. You only matter in software. If the market NSBWii right in both areas. This game will help Nintendo alot.
The Wii was killing the PS3 before it's price cut. IT's just looks bad because before. It was 5 or 4 to 1 then it turn to 2 to 1. Now the are selling about even. With that changing each week.
The point is gamers like you. Don't matter in the overall Hardware scheme. You only matter in software. If the market NSBWii right in both areas. This game will help Nintendo alot.
The Wii was killing the PS3 before it's price cut. IT's just looks bad because before. It was 5 or 4 to 1 then it turn to 2 to 1. Now the are selling about even. With that changing each week.
@TheWon
I think we're misunderstood each other, I will never ever disagree with anyone who says NSMB Will be will be a success, because it's going to be.
All I argued was it was game geared to both gamers and non-gamers. Like Brawl was....
I don't want a big heated debate here, all I wanted to say the core demographic who bought Mario Galaxy, Metroid Prime 3, and Twilight Princess are eagerly waiting for their next big solo game.
EDIT: OH SORRY, I know what you mean. That was a brain fart, I'll fix it!
@tendoboy1984
In Japan? I think the 360's been sitting at 1 million with the Ps3 at 5 or 7 million.
I think we're misunderstood each other, I will never ever disagree with anyone who says NSMB Will be will be a success, because it's going to be.
All I argued was it was game geared to both gamers and non-gamers. Like Brawl was....
I don't want a big heated debate here, all I wanted to say the core demographic who bought Mario Galaxy, Metroid Prime 3, and Twilight Princess are eagerly waiting for their next big solo game.
EDIT: OH SORRY, I know what you mean. That was a brain fart, I'll fix it!
@tendoboy1984
In Japan? I think the 360's been sitting at 1 million with the Ps3 at 5 or 7 million.
@Burgers
The current sales are neck and neck in Japan. The Wii still has a lifetime lead.
(The Wii is leading the PS3 by just shy of 5 million units in that territory. So, I would say it is fine.)
@MrBubbles
I was replying to Burgers because he/she seems to have their facts mixed up.
I didn't say consoles mattered or didn't matter. I was just correcting him/her.
Oh and the PS3 is sitting at less than 4 million in Japan. Not even close to 5 or 7 million yet (in response to your reply to tendoboy1984).
The current sales are neck and neck in Japan. The Wii still has a lifetime lead.
(The Wii is leading the PS3 by just shy of 5 million units in that territory. So, I would say it is fine.)
@MrBubbles
I was replying to Burgers because he/she seems to have their facts mixed up.
I didn't say consoles mattered or didn't matter. I was just correcting him/her.
Oh and the PS3 is sitting at less than 4 million in Japan. Not even close to 5 or 7 million yet (in response to your reply to tendoboy1984).
@DonnyDarko420
It doesn't matter anymore, Japan hates consoles. The big fad (for lack of a better word) is DS/PSP games to play on the go with other players.
The only time consoles will matter in Japan is the next Dragon Quest 10 on the Wii and Final Fantasy 13 for Ps3 in Japan.
It doesn't matter anymore, Japan hates consoles. The big fad (for lack of a better word) is DS/PSP games to play on the go with other players.
The only time consoles will matter in Japan is the next Dragon Quest 10 on the Wii and Final Fantasy 13 for Ps3 in Japan.
"Put a lid on it, I've had it up to here with you Nintendo fans who act as if they have stock in the company.
Sales, sales, sales."
Why don't you put a lid on it. What the hell kind of statement is "you Nintendo fans"? Of course we're Nintendo fans. It's a Nintendo website.
And he wouldn't have raised sales if you hadn't. Actually, come to think of it, he never mentioned sales. He was responding to your statement that it won't rekindle the fire in the Wii. I think it quite obviously will.
What's annoying is seeing posters who not only use "hardcore" like a real word but actually claim that there's a lack of "hardcore" titles. What an ignorant statement.
Sales, sales, sales."
Why don't you put a lid on it. What the hell kind of statement is "you Nintendo fans"? Of course we're Nintendo fans. It's a Nintendo website.
And he wouldn't have raised sales if you hadn't. Actually, come to think of it, he never mentioned sales. He was responding to your statement that it won't rekindle the fire in the Wii. I think it quite obviously will.
What's annoying is seeing posters who not only use "hardcore" like a real word but actually claim that there's a lack of "hardcore" titles. What an ignorant statement.
Who cares about Japan's sales? Wii is still leading overall and thats all i care about. The Japanese console market is about dead anyways. Also, who said no core titles for wii this holiday?
1. Silent Hill Shattered Memories
2. Final Fantasy CC CB
3. COD Modern Warfare Reflex
4. Resident Evil DC
5. New Super Mario Bros. Wii
Sounds like a good list to me.
1. Silent Hill Shattered Memories
2. Final Fantasy CC CB
3. COD Modern Warfare Reflex
4. Resident Evil DC
5. New Super Mario Bros. Wii
Sounds like a good list to me.
@DonnyDarko420
I meant worldwide sales.
I had thought that the sales of PS3/360 would be neck and neck by now. The PS3 Slim saw a huge boost in sales. And the 360 has been selling at the same steady pace for months and months.
PS3 sales have risen sharply, while 360 sales have stayed the same. If this keeps up, the PS3 may just pull ahead by next year.
I meant worldwide sales.
I had thought that the sales of PS3/360 would be neck and neck by now. The PS3 Slim saw a huge boost in sales. And the 360 has been selling at the same steady pace for months and months.
PS3 sales have risen sharply, while 360 sales have stayed the same. If this keeps up, the PS3 may just pull ahead by next year.
@MrBubbles
This.
Console sales in Japan have flatlined. The Japanese public have busier lives than us Americans/Westerners, so portable gaming is more practical for them.
This would also explain why the PSP is doing incredibly well over there, while in America no one really seems to notice it's existence. Too bad, cause the PSP deserves more recognition over here.
People negatively think of handheld gaming as being for kids/casual gamers. That is why the PSP isn't doing too well outside of Japan, cause it focuses on more "hardcore" console-style games. That is the main reason why I want a PSP, to have that console experience on the go. Why other "hardcore" gamers fail to see the benefit of this boggles my mind.
This.
Console sales in Japan have flatlined. The Japanese public have busier lives than us Americans/Westerners, so portable gaming is more practical for them.
This would also explain why the PSP is doing incredibly well over there, while in America no one really seems to notice it's existence. Too bad, cause the PSP deserves more recognition over here.
People negatively think of handheld gaming as being for kids/casual gamers. That is why the PSP isn't doing too well outside of Japan, cause it focuses on more "hardcore" console-style games. That is the main reason why I want a PSP, to have that console experience on the go. Why other "hardcore" gamers fail to see the benefit of this boggles my mind.
@DoubleDragon
It was a mistake on my part, a slip of the tongue. I was talking quality of software rekindling the fire into Wii's lack of AAA hardcore games, I don't know why I said sales. Forgive me?
It was a mistake on my part, a slip of the tongue. I was talking quality of software rekindling the fire into Wii's lack of AAA hardcore games, I don't know why I said sales. Forgive me?
"It was a mistake on my part, a slip of the tongue. I was talking quality of software rekindling the fire into Wii's lack of AAA hardcore games, I don't know why I said sales. Forgive me?"
OK.
But saying "hardcore" really is meaningless. AAA at least has some substance to it.
OK.
But saying "hardcore" really is meaningless. AAA at least has some substance to it.
@tendoboy1984
That's cool but I was responding to Mr. Bubble's response to you. Not directly to you. I was letting him know the Japanese PS3 figures.
And in response to other "core" gamers not "getting the PSP"... I don't know a for sure answer but I'd assume part of the reason is that the library of games is (by many people's standards) mediocre and people buy consoles for console gaming and handhelds for handheld gaming (so the "console experience on the go" isn't a top priority for most).
In my honest opinion, the library on the PSP has gotten a little better over the years, but it is the "console on the go" mentality that ruins the system for me because it fails at providing a true console experience. The controls tend to be ackward and it feels like a subpar experience overall to me. Of course, that is just my opinion.
That's cool but I was responding to Mr. Bubble's response to you. Not directly to you. I was letting him know the Japanese PS3 figures.
And in response to other "core" gamers not "getting the PSP"... I don't know a for sure answer but I'd assume part of the reason is that the library of games is (by many people's standards) mediocre and people buy consoles for console gaming and handhelds for handheld gaming (so the "console experience on the go" isn't a top priority for most).
In my honest opinion, the library on the PSP has gotten a little better over the years, but it is the "console on the go" mentality that ruins the system for me because it fails at providing a true console experience. The controls tend to be ackward and it feels like a subpar experience overall to me. Of course, that is just my opinion.
all i have to say is if you can't find any quality games at this point in time to play on wii, you should definitely sell it asap. there's no use to keep it around at all and be miserable. life is too short, and its obvious the wii isnt' your type. also, stop coming to a nintendo fan site complaining there's nothing to play everytime you're on here, when many here have a lot to play and be excited about. i'm not gonna sit here and spit out a list of titles you should try out.....do your own damned research.
with that out of the way, more on topic. i agree with the person in here that says console sales don't matter in japan anymore. the interest is waning, and everyone knows it. that is truly what is going on over there. what we should do is watch the handheld sales over there, but keep the eye on the console sales in the states. it seems japan and america are opposities in that way.
in any case, the DSi LL is gonna sell pretty big in japan. its geared toward the older crowd, and in japan the population is getting older year by year. not sure why they're not reproducing over there. i guess they just lost interest. i think many can agree that the future of video games is in the states, which wasn't true in the past. i'm talking about the gaming population in japan, and its developers. anyone ever notice the great jap devs are getting older with very few young great successors?
with that out of the way, more on topic. i agree with the person in here that says console sales don't matter in japan anymore. the interest is waning, and everyone knows it. that is truly what is going on over there. what we should do is watch the handheld sales over there, but keep the eye on the console sales in the states. it seems japan and america are opposities in that way.
in any case, the DSi LL is gonna sell pretty big in japan. its geared toward the older crowd, and in japan the population is getting older year by year. not sure why they're not reproducing over there. i guess they just lost interest. i think many can agree that the future of video games is in the states, which wasn't true in the past. i'm talking about the gaming population in japan, and its developers. anyone ever notice the great jap devs are getting older with very few young great successors?
@DoubleDragon
While I have no desire to defend MrBubbles, I have to say that I disagree with most of this post.
- Pulling the "you Nintendo fans" from that statement is taking it out of context. He meant a specific kind of Nintendo fans. Stop trying to make a stupid argument.
- Why would NSMBW rekindle the Wii's fire if none of the other core Nintendo games didn't? If a 2D Mario title is what we are banking on for people to buy Wii consoles (which, why should we even care, if we already have one?), then that's pretty sad.
- I know you were trying to make a point, but "hardcore" is a real world, bro.
And, if you want to talk ignorance regarding core titles, as far as NINTENDO is concerned, it's not far-fetched. 3rd parties are indeed making them, but nobody is buying them for various reasons (not related to quality, like some people seem to think, and it's not JUST because of this 'niche' crap). And the more core games we don't buy, the less we're going to get.
@keyz
In reality, why DO you care about Wii leading in ANY sense? Why is that important to you? Why does it matter?
I supported the Gamecube, loved it, and thought it was a great console and it was nowhere near leading. This was never a concern of mine, and don't see why you should care where Wii is either. Or anyone, for that matter.
If anything, I'm upset that they're first, not because I want to see the other two succeed, but because I feel like they sometimes use that as a "get out of jail free" card and an excuse to act lazy with some things.
Though I have to say, they appear to be trying much harder all of the sudden and I'm seeing much better things coming out of them.
And out of your list, Call of Duty is an old port, and Silent Hill may not be out this year.
And nobody is going to buy RE except for a few people (myself included) because it's a rail-shooter and people can't grasp that those can be good.
@Inneverate
When did people stop liking the DS? I don't see how this applies, in the sense that, DS-from what I remember- was doing fine anyway when NSMB came out.
While I have no desire to defend MrBubbles, I have to say that I disagree with most of this post.
- Pulling the "you Nintendo fans" from that statement is taking it out of context. He meant a specific kind of Nintendo fans. Stop trying to make a stupid argument.
- Why would NSMBW rekindle the Wii's fire if none of the other core Nintendo games didn't? If a 2D Mario title is what we are banking on for people to buy Wii consoles (which, why should we even care, if we already have one?), then that's pretty sad.
- I know you were trying to make a point, but "hardcore" is a real world, bro.
And, if you want to talk ignorance regarding core titles, as far as NINTENDO is concerned, it's not far-fetched. 3rd parties are indeed making them, but nobody is buying them for various reasons (not related to quality, like some people seem to think, and it's not JUST because of this 'niche' crap). And the more core games we don't buy, the less we're going to get.
@keyz
In reality, why DO you care about Wii leading in ANY sense? Why is that important to you? Why does it matter?
I supported the Gamecube, loved it, and thought it was a great console and it was nowhere near leading. This was never a concern of mine, and don't see why you should care where Wii is either. Or anyone, for that matter.
If anything, I'm upset that they're first, not because I want to see the other two succeed, but because I feel like they sometimes use that as a "get out of jail free" card and an excuse to act lazy with some things.
Though I have to say, they appear to be trying much harder all of the sudden and I'm seeing much better things coming out of them.
And out of your list, Call of Duty is an old port, and Silent Hill may not be out this year.
And nobody is going to buy RE except for a few people (myself included) because it's a rail-shooter and people can't grasp that those can be good.
@Inneverate
When did people stop liking the DS? I don't see how this applies, in the sense that, DS-from what I remember- was doing fine anyway when NSMB came out.
"Stop trying to make a stupid argument."
Oh, so you want to talk about stupidity huh? Let's see what we can find here.
"Why would NSMBW rekindle the Wii's fire if none of the other core Nintendo games didn't?"
I'm assuming you're referring to core titles after, say, January 2009, because consoles were sold out through all of 2008. So something like Animal Crossing and Warioland don't matter or count.
So let's first see if there were even any core titles after that time frame to begin with.
Punch-Out!! - Nope. Not a core title. Punch-Out!! is a bridge game. Not a very successful one so far, but it's a bridge game, meaning it appeals to both existing gamers and new and returning ones.
Excitebots - Nope. Again, not exactly a core title. And not a first-string game anyway. Nintendo didn't develop it or puts its best developer on it. Racing games have an easy entry point and are still arcade based.
So that's it. There are no core titles, so I don't know why you're referring to something that doesn't exist. Besides, the real decline in Wii's sales only happened early/mid 2009.
And if you're so dense as to actually question how or why New Super Mario Bros. Wii would cause people to buy systems, I'm not even going to bother pointing out the obvious. Go take another look at New Super Mario Bros. sales. Or better yet, go look at Mario Kart Wii sales. Then come back with a better argument.
"If a 2D Mario title is what we are banking on for people to buy Wii consoles (which, why should we even care, if we already have one?), then that's pretty sad."
Why is this sad? And if you don't care about sales, then why is a lift in sales based upon 2D Mario sad? Do you understand the fact that the market is demanding this game? What isn't sad to you? A first-person shooter?
"I know you were trying to make a point, but "hardcore" is a real world, bro."
No it's not, "bro." It has no definition, especially in the context of video games. Keep acting like it does though.
"And the more core games we don't buy, the less we're going to get."
I'm sorry, but what is this? Are you trying to regurgitate an ultimatum put forth by publishers? Because I'm not buying a title in most cases that is simply mediocre, or even worse, crap.
If you want to insult me personally to make some sort of point, at least do a better job.
Oh, so you want to talk about stupidity huh? Let's see what we can find here.
"Why would NSMBW rekindle the Wii's fire if none of the other core Nintendo games didn't?"
I'm assuming you're referring to core titles after, say, January 2009, because consoles were sold out through all of 2008. So something like Animal Crossing and Warioland don't matter or count.
So let's first see if there were even any core titles after that time frame to begin with.
Punch-Out!! - Nope. Not a core title. Punch-Out!! is a bridge game. Not a very successful one so far, but it's a bridge game, meaning it appeals to both existing gamers and new and returning ones.
Excitebots - Nope. Again, not exactly a core title. And not a first-string game anyway. Nintendo didn't develop it or puts its best developer on it. Racing games have an easy entry point and are still arcade based.
So that's it. There are no core titles, so I don't know why you're referring to something that doesn't exist. Besides, the real decline in Wii's sales only happened early/mid 2009.
And if you're so dense as to actually question how or why New Super Mario Bros. Wii would cause people to buy systems, I'm not even going to bother pointing out the obvious. Go take another look at New Super Mario Bros. sales. Or better yet, go look at Mario Kart Wii sales. Then come back with a better argument.
"If a 2D Mario title is what we are banking on for people to buy Wii consoles (which, why should we even care, if we already have one?), then that's pretty sad."
Why is this sad? And if you don't care about sales, then why is a lift in sales based upon 2D Mario sad? Do you understand the fact that the market is demanding this game? What isn't sad to you? A first-person shooter?
"I know you were trying to make a point, but "hardcore" is a real world, bro."
No it's not, "bro." It has no definition, especially in the context of video games. Keep acting like it does though.
"And the more core games we don't buy, the less we're going to get."
I'm sorry, but what is this? Are you trying to regurgitate an ultimatum put forth by publishers? Because I'm not buying a title in most cases that is simply mediocre, or even worse, crap.
If you want to insult me personally to make some sort of point, at least do a better job.
Please log in using your message board account to post feeback.
Don't have an account? Click here to register!
Don't have an account? Click here to register!
P.S, Does Iwata ever breathe!