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November 6, 2009 by The News Team
Filed Under: Wii, Nintendo in general
"On each of our platforms their are over 140 new titles coming as well. There's going to be just ton's of software. Here's what you see in terms of third party. You see games like The Beatles: Rock Band that started out on competitive platforms quite strong, but the holiday season looks to be all Nintendo in terms of what they're going to be selling. You take a title like Dead Space: Extraction. Really good reviews...we would have liked to have seen some more marketing support to really drive that home. There's tons of great content out there...absolutely." - Reggie Fils-Aime
Reggie also touched upon core gamers that complain about the Wii not offering anything for them.
"For those core gamers that aren't playing the Wii day-in/day-out, I'm saying look at what you're missing. They're missing Dead Space: Extraction...that is a high quality title. Madworld was a good title, The Conduit was a very good title. One of the questions that I keep asking is, for all of those core gamers who cry the blues about the lack of content, there's been a lot of great content. Open up your wallet and buy some."
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Eh, go eff yourself, Reggie. "People need to stop crying. There have been, like, two core games that have come out recently. Why aren't you satisfied?" I guess cuz I'm not a fan of music games or rail shooters, I should just shut the eff up.
I'm going to borrow a good quote from Traviswiifan: Reggie used to be about kicking ass and taking names. Now he's just about sucking ass.
Sorry Reggie. Maybe if it was still 2001 or 2002, most Wii games would be worth full retail price. But according to my calendar, it's 2009. Online gaming is becoming more and more mainstream by the day. It adds value to so many games. Games with local and online multiplayer exist now.
Halo 3 pulls in almost 1 MILLION (Dr. Evil) players EVERYDAY!
http://xbox360.ign.com/articles/101/1013671p1.html
http://xbox.joystiq.com/2009/08/13/bung ... every-day/
So any naysayers that say online gaming isn't important at all, adds nothing to a game and still think it's 2002, there's shovels for your head out back.
That said. Saying offerings Wii Music are worth more money than LittleBigPlanet is absurd. Or when The Conduit was $50, why choose that over the dozens of other FPS games (like Halo). Not all of the Wii's customers are that stupid. There's very few Wii games (Galaxy, Brawl, Twilight Princess, No More Heroes) I would gladly pay $50, even $60 for if I had to.
Sorry Reggie. Maybe if it was still 2001 or 2002, most Wii games would be worth full retail price. But according to my calendar, it's 2009. Online gaming is becoming more and more mainstream by the day. It adds value to so many games. Games with local and online multiplayer exist now.
Halo 3 pulls in almost 1 MILLION (Dr. Evil) players EVERYDAY!
http://xbox360.ign.com/articles/101/1013671p1.html
http://xbox.joystiq.com/2009/08/13/bung ... every-day/
So any naysayers that say online gaming isn't important at all, adds nothing to a game and still think it's 2002, there's shovels for your head out back.
That said. Saying offerings Wii Music are worth more money than LittleBigPlanet is absurd. Or when The Conduit was $50, why choose that over the dozens of other FPS games (like Halo). Not all of the Wii's customers are that stupid. There's very few Wii games (Galaxy, Brawl, Twilight Princess, No More Heroes) I would gladly pay $50, even $60 for if I had to.
LOL!!!! Looks like old Reggie hit a nerve. Cause what he said is 100% true.
It's a neverending viscious cylce with some Wii owners.
1. They complain that there's no 3rd party support on Wii.
2. 3rd Party support comes to Wii.
3. They act like it's not good enough, or have OTHER games for OTHER systems to buy, or complain that they're broke, and don't buy any of it.
4. 3rd parties get discouraged, because the same nerds who whined that there weren't any games on Wii, aren't buying the games they finally make for Wii. 3rd parties don't want to lose money, so they don't don't try as hard next time around.
5. Said nerds once again complain that there's no 3rd party support on Wii.
lol...that's not literally how it goes, but close enough. Telling Reggie to go "eff" himself, is pretty damn silly, considering he's telling it like is. People whine, b*tch and complain that there's "nothing" on Wii. Yet games like The Conduit, Muramasa, Little King's Story, MadWorld, etc. come out, and they don't even give a second thought to buying any of them. It's pretty retarded if you ask me.
You want 3rd parties to make more, and better Wii games? You actually have to help games SELL for them to do so. It's simple math, really.
It's a neverending viscious cylce with some Wii owners.
1. They complain that there's no 3rd party support on Wii.
2. 3rd Party support comes to Wii.
3. They act like it's not good enough, or have OTHER games for OTHER systems to buy, or complain that they're broke, and don't buy any of it.
4. 3rd parties get discouraged, because the same nerds who whined that there weren't any games on Wii, aren't buying the games they finally make for Wii. 3rd parties don't want to lose money, so they don't don't try as hard next time around.
5. Said nerds once again complain that there's no 3rd party support on Wii.
lol...that's not literally how it goes, but close enough. Telling Reggie to go "eff" himself, is pretty damn silly, considering he's telling it like is. People whine, b*tch and complain that there's "nothing" on Wii. Yet games like The Conduit, Muramasa, Little King's Story, MadWorld, etc. come out, and they don't even give a second thought to buying any of them. It's pretty retarded if you ask me.
You want 3rd parties to make more, and better Wii games? You actually have to help games SELL for them to do so. It's simple math, really.
@Devil_Rising
I couldn't agree more with all of this.
It baffles me to hear this crying and complaining only to see the "core" audience blow off more fantastic titles. I have purchased The Conduit and Madworld, two titles that gamers are blowing off by the day. The Conduit has fine multiplayer and a decent single player story. I'm not a huge FPS fan so maybe that's why I look past the little things. Some people complain about Madworld being too short. I bet most of these same people never even played it or are too young to buy it and that's why they put the title down. Great game, enjoyed every minute.
I haven't purchased the likes of Deadly Creatures, Cursed Mountain, HOTD: Overkill, Spyborgs, Dead Space Extraction, or Muramusa yet, because I have no money. I can assure you that when I get money I will do my best to support the majority of these titles.
I couldn't agree more with all of this.
It baffles me to hear this crying and complaining only to see the "core" audience blow off more fantastic titles. I have purchased The Conduit and Madworld, two titles that gamers are blowing off by the day. The Conduit has fine multiplayer and a decent single player story. I'm not a huge FPS fan so maybe that's why I look past the little things. Some people complain about Madworld being too short. I bet most of these same people never even played it or are too young to buy it and that's why they put the title down. Great game, enjoyed every minute.
I haven't purchased the likes of Deadly Creatures, Cursed Mountain, HOTD: Overkill, Spyborgs, Dead Space Extraction, or Muramusa yet, because I have no money. I can assure you that when I get money I will do my best to support the majority of these titles.
@Hongo
Actually, when The Conduit came out, and as or right now still, no other Wii FPS had better online, or better features. It's the best looking, most customizable, and has the overall best online experience to be had. That has been a pretty unanimous opinion from most game critics. Also, it's currently the only FPS with online that was made JUST for the Wii, which is important. Not every Wii owner even HAS the money to ALSO own a PS3 and/or 360, let alone would want to. So in fact, The Conduit was a great choice for a Wii owner who wanted an online FPS.
But regardless, here's some great recent games that did not have any online modes:
Mario Galaxy - over 8 million sold
Twilight Princess - 7 million sold (Wii and GC combined)
Assassin's Creed - 8 million sold (combined)
Bioshock - 3 million sold (combined)
MGS4 - Over 4 million sold
Batman: Arkham Asylum - Over 2 million (combined)
Gran Turismo 4 - Over 10 million
GTA: San Andreas - Over 18 million
NSMB DS - Over 19 million
Dragon Quest IX - Over 4 million
Anyways, you get the point. Online gaming does seem to be a big factor for a lot of modern gamers. BUT, there are lots of great new games that don't have any online. Not every game needs an online mode thrown in, just because. People who think otherwise, are the ones who, quite frankly, need to go get those shovels out back.
Actually, when The Conduit came out, and as or right now still, no other Wii FPS had better online, or better features. It's the best looking, most customizable, and has the overall best online experience to be had. That has been a pretty unanimous opinion from most game critics. Also, it's currently the only FPS with online that was made JUST for the Wii, which is important. Not every Wii owner even HAS the money to ALSO own a PS3 and/or 360, let alone would want to. So in fact, The Conduit was a great choice for a Wii owner who wanted an online FPS.
But regardless, here's some great recent games that did not have any online modes:
Mario Galaxy - over 8 million sold
Twilight Princess - 7 million sold (Wii and GC combined)
Assassin's Creed - 8 million sold (combined)
Bioshock - 3 million sold (combined)
MGS4 - Over 4 million sold
Batman: Arkham Asylum - Over 2 million (combined)
Gran Turismo 4 - Over 10 million
GTA: San Andreas - Over 18 million
NSMB DS - Over 19 million
Dragon Quest IX - Over 4 million
Anyways, you get the point. Online gaming does seem to be a big factor for a lot of modern gamers. BUT, there are lots of great new games that don't have any online. Not every game needs an online mode thrown in, just because. People who think otherwise, are the ones who, quite frankly, need to go get those shovels out back.
@Parko
Right on man. That's exactly it, gamers need to actually support these games to make them sell, to make sure more games are made in the future.
Myself, I'm not made of money either, but I have done my part to try and buy games that I think are going to be good, by 3rd parties. Such as The Force Unleashed, Ghostbusters, Mushroom Men, Muramasa, The Conduit, Klonoa, Little King's Story etc..
I've also purchased my fair share of 3rd party titles that I've since traded in, such as Sonic & The Secret Rings, Alien Syndrome, Soul Caliber Legends, Dewy's Adventure, Godzilla Unleashed, etc. But at least I did buy them.
Right on man. That's exactly it, gamers need to actually support these games to make them sell, to make sure more games are made in the future.
Myself, I'm not made of money either, but I have done my part to try and buy games that I think are going to be good, by 3rd parties. Such as The Force Unleashed, Ghostbusters, Mushroom Men, Muramasa, The Conduit, Klonoa, Little King's Story etc..
I've also purchased my fair share of 3rd party titles that I've since traded in, such as Sonic & The Secret Rings, Alien Syndrome, Soul Caliber Legends, Dewy's Adventure, Godzilla Unleashed, etc. But at least I did buy them.
I think Jeff tried his best to not troll Reggie because the games he mentioned were rail shooters.
Guy has to have the inner will power of a saint.
Dead Space Extraction, lol. On my low list to buy compared to my DSi and 360/PS3 unless it gets a price drop.
Guy has to have the inner will power of a saint.
Dead Space Extraction, lol. On my low list to buy compared to my DSi and 360/PS3 unless it gets a price drop.
Madworld was boring after 3 hours, TCon kinda sucked, and Dead Space is a rail-shooter.
He could have at least used good examples, like Muramasa and A Boy and His Blob.
He could have at least used good examples, like Muramasa and A Boy and His Blob.
Reggie is a fool. Out of all the games that he mentioned, the only one I don't own is Dead Space Extraction, and it's because it's an on rails shooter which I have plenty of in my Wii collection. There is nothing interesting about Extraction to me that is worthy of wasting my money. What he has to realize is that most of those games he considers core aren't going to appeal to everyone.
A beat em up game like Mad World isn't going to appeal to the majority of the core crowd especially since it was an extremely short game, and some people don't even like the style it had. I bought it at full price, but I wish I would have waited for a price drop. Dead Space Extraction is another game where people aren't going to want to waste 50 dollars on considering they can either wait for a price drop, rent it at a cheaper price, and the fact that it's an on-rails game (believe it or not, this is a pretty big factor). Little King's Story is another game that doesn't appeal to everyone because of the concept and type of gameplay it has. I have Excite Truck, but the concept of Excite Bots turned me off. I don't care if the game was fun, it was just something that I knew I wasn't going to enjoy no matter if I picked it up and they basically sent that game out to die. There is no marketing for these games so how do they expect to create awareness of them? The games he's talking about only appeal to a little demographic between the core crowd.
I'll give you The Conduit. THAT should have sold better with the core crowd because it was a FPS built up on the ground for the Wii and it has one of the better online experiences you can get. Unfortunately, it suffered from hype. I've always said it. Hype can be a good, but also terrible thing. Another factor to consider was that it was a very generic experience that offered nothing of value to another gamer that owns another console/PC.
I've done my plenty of share in supporting third party titles because I own a lot of them. I've supported de Blob, The Conduit, A Boy and His Blob, Muramasa, Sonic & The Secret Rings/Black Knight, Klonoa, Deadly Creatures, that TMNT fighting game, Overkill, but even I can see that most of these titles are targeting a small percentage of a certain demographic within the core crowd.
Also,
"On each of our platforms their are over 140 new titles coming as well. There's going to be just ton's of software."
Quality over quantity, my friend.
And note: I'm talking about this year mostly.
A beat em up game like Mad World isn't going to appeal to the majority of the core crowd especially since it was an extremely short game, and some people don't even like the style it had. I bought it at full price, but I wish I would have waited for a price drop. Dead Space Extraction is another game where people aren't going to want to waste 50 dollars on considering they can either wait for a price drop, rent it at a cheaper price, and the fact that it's an on-rails game (believe it or not, this is a pretty big factor). Little King's Story is another game that doesn't appeal to everyone because of the concept and type of gameplay it has. I have Excite Truck, but the concept of Excite Bots turned me off. I don't care if the game was fun, it was just something that I knew I wasn't going to enjoy no matter if I picked it up and they basically sent that game out to die. There is no marketing for these games so how do they expect to create awareness of them? The games he's talking about only appeal to a little demographic between the core crowd.
I'll give you The Conduit. THAT should have sold better with the core crowd because it was a FPS built up on the ground for the Wii and it has one of the better online experiences you can get. Unfortunately, it suffered from hype. I've always said it. Hype can be a good, but also terrible thing. Another factor to consider was that it was a very generic experience that offered nothing of value to another gamer that owns another console/PC.
I've done my plenty of share in supporting third party titles because I own a lot of them. I've supported de Blob, The Conduit, A Boy and His Blob, Muramasa, Sonic & The Secret Rings/Black Knight, Klonoa, Deadly Creatures, that TMNT fighting game, Overkill, but even I can see that most of these titles are targeting a small percentage of a certain demographic within the core crowd.
Also,
"On each of our platforms their are over 140 new titles coming as well. There's going to be just ton's of software."
Quality over quantity, my friend.
And note: I'm talking about this year mostly.
@Devil_Rising
I'm fully sure Conduit is a great experience for those with only a Wii, but that doesn't mean it's fully offering what hardcore or casual audiences want. You have (IMO) better options in the same genre on the other consoles for the hardcore, which I'm sure many have moved on to, and most of the casual are simply not looking for an experience like this.
Nintendo themselves are the ones that have so seriously marketed the Wii towards the casual crowd, and to those that own other systems, the "hardcore" games on the Wii usually probably either don't measure up, or don't fit their tastes. I'm sure those hardcore gamers that don't have other options and haven't moved on, and that the games do fit their tastes, that can also afford it, have bought it... and that's where these games get the sales that they do get.
It wasn't fully 3rd parties that created the stigma the Wii has. Nintendo has from the start, and when you look back, this stigma originated well before the Wii hit.
I'm fully sure Conduit is a great experience for those with only a Wii, but that doesn't mean it's fully offering what hardcore or casual audiences want. You have (IMO) better options in the same genre on the other consoles for the hardcore, which I'm sure many have moved on to, and most of the casual are simply not looking for an experience like this.
Nintendo themselves are the ones that have so seriously marketed the Wii towards the casual crowd, and to those that own other systems, the "hardcore" games on the Wii usually probably either don't measure up, or don't fit their tastes. I'm sure those hardcore gamers that don't have other options and haven't moved on, and that the games do fit their tastes, that can also afford it, have bought it... and that's where these games get the sales that they do get.
It wasn't fully 3rd parties that created the stigma the Wii has. Nintendo has from the start, and when you look back, this stigma originated well before the Wii hit.
I really don't think the Wii is lacking hardcore titles. Come to my house and play my Wii, you'd think there were no casual games avaiable!
People just don't know about these games. I spoke with many people who have a Wii and they don't know it has mature games, online functionality, etc. These people don't frequent game sites like me, which is the only way I knew about games such as Madworld or The Conduit. I think a stronger effort beyond the internet is needed to create awareness for core titles.
*Madworld/The Conduit had TV commercials but didn't get rotation that 360 or PS3 game would get.
People just don't know about these games. I spoke with many people who have a Wii and they don't know it has mature games, online functionality, etc. These people don't frequent game sites like me, which is the only way I knew about games such as Madworld or The Conduit. I think a stronger effort beyond the internet is needed to create awareness for core titles.
*Madworld/The Conduit had TV commercials but didn't get rotation that 360 or PS3 game would get.
@Lockdale
I think a stronger effort beyond the internet is needed to create awareness for core titles.
Yes. Marketing and word of mouth.
I think a stronger effort beyond the internet is needed to create awareness for core titles.
Yes. Marketing and word of mouth.
@Garfitor
He never specifically said "People need to stop crying." He said the people who are crying the blues about no hardcore games on the Wii need to start buying that content if they want it and he's absolutely right. It's good to hear someone from Nintendo finally throw it back on the so called "hardcore" gamers. All everyone ever says is where are the hardcore games on the Wii, but when they come out, these same people make up every excuse in the book, as to why they won't buy it.
Well like Reggie said the games are there, so just open up your wallet and start buying them, or stop crying the blues about it all the time. I think its finally the case of the boy who cries wolf far too much. All these hardcore gamers have cry wolf so much lately, that its just falling on deaf ears at this point. So hardcore gamers need to stop crying and start buying! That should be Nintendo's new slogan.
He never specifically said "People need to stop crying." He said the people who are crying the blues about no hardcore games on the Wii need to start buying that content if they want it and he's absolutely right. It's good to hear someone from Nintendo finally throw it back on the so called "hardcore" gamers. All everyone ever says is where are the hardcore games on the Wii, but when they come out, these same people make up every excuse in the book, as to why they won't buy it.
Well like Reggie said the games are there, so just open up your wallet and start buying them, or stop crying the blues about it all the time. I think its finally the case of the boy who cries wolf far too much. All these hardcore gamers have cry wolf so much lately, that its just falling on deaf ears at this point. So hardcore gamers need to stop crying and start buying! That should be Nintendo's new slogan.
I like the three games he mentioned..
Only that DE:Extratcion gets a lot of hate because people didn't bought a PS3 or a 360 to play the free-roaming version despite the game looking like a fun, good quality title that has faired good reviews.
No doubt MadWorld was a good game but in my opinion too short and repetitive to warrant full price.
And The Conduit... well.. It is also a good game but it got burned really bad having issues with its main feature.
Only that DE:Extratcion gets a lot of hate because people didn't bought a PS3 or a 360 to play the free-roaming version despite the game looking like a fun, good quality title that has faired good reviews.
No doubt MadWorld was a good game but in my opinion too short and repetitive to warrant full price.
And The Conduit... well.. It is also a good game but it got burned really bad having issues with its main feature.
@qko
@Devil_Rising
Hell yeah! Didn't like Reggie much before, but he's totally right in this instance. Too many whiners in the Nintendo fandom!
At least guys on the other side of the court take what they get and actually, like, buy games, and keep to themselves [generally].
@Devil_Rising
Hell yeah! Didn't like Reggie much before, but he's totally right in this instance. Too many whiners in the Nintendo fandom!
At least guys on the other side of the court take what they get and actually, like, buy games, and keep to themselves [generally].
@Kenichi340
He owned nobody, but that's cool that you think that.
It's not that he is wrong, that there are definitely core titles, but he uses niche titles as examples.
He uses an on-rails shooter, the only online FPS on Wii, and and a niche title.
Of those, one is great- but still on-rails; one of them is mediocre and only good because it's, again, one of the only online FPS on Wii; and the other is a title that is way too short and is only interesting to artsy fans, and actually shuns most wii owners since they are against "needless/excessive blood" (and trust me, lots of people complained about this, as well as unnecessary cursing in House of the Dead Overkill).
@Parko
I didn't finish MadWorld because it was repetitive. I love the game, but there are only so many times I can kill someone the same way, and hear the same announcer say the same thing, before I get bored.
@Devil_Rising
While you are 100% right that, yes, core gamers are part of why this happens (the whole, not buying, discouraging, getting nothing, complaining again), you can't blame them 100% either.
Most of the core titles are:
- Rail shooter
- Beat-em up
- Obscure
- and in one case, a mediocre FPS
The Conduit is only fine IF you own no other FPS titles for a PS3 or 360. Otherwise, it's a 'been here, done that' game like every other FPS title.
I love rail shooters, but it's completely obvious that people that like them are in the minority, even if it does shake up the formula like Extraction does. But that's 3 on-rails shooters in one year. That's a specific demographic, which is NOT what most core gamers are.
But think about it, this is also the same man who said Animal Crossing and Style Savvy are core games.
Yeah, there are a lot of 3rd party titles that are good-decent core titles for the Wii.
But you need to keep in mind that most core gamers with JUST a Wii are completely biased and think everything needs to be as good as or surpass a Nintendo title, which, in their minds, is the pinnacle of greatness. Anything less is terrible, and thus, the support from 3rd party is terrible to them.
Meanwhile, the ones that actually love all these games don't have the money, or, they have to make decisions between certain games, and don't get to buy them all.
I haven't bought a single 3rd party title this year for Wii, and only one first party, but this is largely due to the fact I got a 360 last Christmas, and I got all the games I wanted for that.
My wishlist of Wii games this year contains 6 3rd party titles all from this year, and would've been 7-8 if Red Steel 2 or Silent Hill were still coming out.
Also, I wanted 4 other titles, but have since lost interest in them, at least, until I get all the other games I want. They more or less took a back seat.
He owned nobody, but that's cool that you think that.
It's not that he is wrong, that there are definitely core titles, but he uses niche titles as examples.
He uses an on-rails shooter, the only online FPS on Wii, and and a niche title.
Of those, one is great- but still on-rails; one of them is mediocre and only good because it's, again, one of the only online FPS on Wii; and the other is a title that is way too short and is only interesting to artsy fans, and actually shuns most wii owners since they are against "needless/excessive blood" (and trust me, lots of people complained about this, as well as unnecessary cursing in House of the Dead Overkill).
@Parko
I didn't finish MadWorld because it was repetitive. I love the game, but there are only so many times I can kill someone the same way, and hear the same announcer say the same thing, before I get bored.
@Devil_Rising
While you are 100% right that, yes, core gamers are part of why this happens (the whole, not buying, discouraging, getting nothing, complaining again), you can't blame them 100% either.
Most of the core titles are:
- Rail shooter
- Beat-em up
- Obscure
- and in one case, a mediocre FPS
The Conduit is only fine IF you own no other FPS titles for a PS3 or 360. Otherwise, it's a 'been here, done that' game like every other FPS title.
I love rail shooters, but it's completely obvious that people that like them are in the minority, even if it does shake up the formula like Extraction does. But that's 3 on-rails shooters in one year. That's a specific demographic, which is NOT what most core gamers are.
But think about it, this is also the same man who said Animal Crossing and Style Savvy are core games.
Yeah, there are a lot of 3rd party titles that are good-decent core titles for the Wii.
But you need to keep in mind that most core gamers with JUST a Wii are completely biased and think everything needs to be as good as or surpass a Nintendo title, which, in their minds, is the pinnacle of greatness. Anything less is terrible, and thus, the support from 3rd party is terrible to them.
Meanwhile, the ones that actually love all these games don't have the money, or, they have to make decisions between certain games, and don't get to buy them all.
I haven't bought a single 3rd party title this year for Wii, and only one first party, but this is largely due to the fact I got a 360 last Christmas, and I got all the games I wanted for that.
My wishlist of Wii games this year contains 6 3rd party titles all from this year, and would've been 7-8 if Red Steel 2 or Silent Hill were still coming out.
Also, I wanted 4 other titles, but have since lost interest in them, at least, until I get all the other games I want. They more or less took a back seat.
@MoldyClay
At least there's lots of games you want
I bet our 'wishlists' are mostly the same. That's why I'm glad we stopped arguing. We are more alike than not alike.
At least there's lots of games you want
I bet our 'wishlists' are mostly the same. That's why I'm glad we stopped arguing. We are more alike than not alike.
If there are better offerings on other consoles, why should I buy the 3rd party offerings on Wii?
He should mention Muramasa and Little King Story instead of DSE or Conduit.
He should mention Muramasa and Little King Story instead of DSE or Conduit.
I agree with Reggie except... The Conduit. As much as I thank HVS for trying their hardest, it's no where near as smooth as CoDWaW's online.
Oh, and:
"no other Wii FPS had better online"
"Conduit is a great experience for those with only a Wii"
I only have a Wii and WaW > Conduit. I know there's 'exceptions', but still. This:
"And The Conduit... well.. It is also a good game but it got burned really bad having issues with its main feature."
This a million times over.
Oh, and:
"no other Wii FPS had better online"
"Conduit is a great experience for those with only a Wii"
I only have a Wii and WaW > Conduit. I know there's 'exceptions', but still. This:
"And The Conduit... well.. It is also a good game but it got burned really bad having issues with its main feature."
This a million times over.
Reggie is right, but to drive his point home he would've had to throw down a laundry list of 3rd party titles. He only had time for a few, and I'm not sure he went with the best ones. He's just going to draw more lols and hate from "teh hardc0re" for saying what he did. A shame . . .
Quote:
I agree with Reggie except... The Conduit. As much as I thank HVS for trying their hardest, it's no where near as smooth as CoDWaW's online.
For a small-budget developer, it's still an impressive fact. Still gets far more respect from me than a two-year-old port with no promotion whatsoever.
--R.J.
@Hongo
"Reggie used to be about kicking ass and taking names. Now he's just about sucking ass."
He was never about that. I can't believe you people are naive enough to think the President of NoA would be your 'friend'.
"Reggie used to be about kicking ass and taking names. Now he's just about sucking ass."
He was never about that. I can't believe you people are naive enough to think the President of NoA would be your 'friend'.
so reggie, here's the deal. i won't buy a rail shooter, although i will rent it. even though i'm a huge beatles fan, i won't spend $250 on a videogame, ever. as for the other titles you mention, i own them, and think that they're decent at best, broken at worst (conduit).
in short, stop bullshitting me.
in short, stop bullshitting me.
@Inneverate
I'm not that naive, trust me. He honestly started out as a cool guy when he was appointed to marketing. His debut at E3 2004 was epic (hands down it's a legendary debut among Nintendo fans, to me anyway). He's just a smooth talker (like any politician). But yeah, I wouldn't trust anyone that have important roles in companies. Nintendo could care less about it's audience or customers. They are just in it for the money. They won't send flowers to your funeral when you die.
They are just like ANY other company in world. Nintendo, Sony, Panasonic, Apple, Microsoft, Ford, Chevy, Toyota, Target, Walmart, McDonald's, Starbucks, Proctor and Gamble, Kraft, ConAgra Foods, you get the point. No company gives a flying crap about you. They can release PR and warm fuzzies to make you flock to them, but they want only your money.
So saying that I would actually look up to Reggie or any president of a company? Yeah. Right. I like Nintendo and consider myself a fan, but I'm not a blind sheep. He could care less about anyone unless they give him their money. In a way, he said just that with one comment.
The guy is cocky just like any other CEO is about their products. Business 101.
I'm not that naive, trust me. He honestly started out as a cool guy when he was appointed to marketing. His debut at E3 2004 was epic (hands down it's a legendary debut among Nintendo fans, to me anyway). He's just a smooth talker (like any politician). But yeah, I wouldn't trust anyone that have important roles in companies. Nintendo could care less about it's audience or customers. They are just in it for the money. They won't send flowers to your funeral when you die.
They are just like ANY other company in world. Nintendo, Sony, Panasonic, Apple, Microsoft, Ford, Chevy, Toyota, Target, Walmart, McDonald's, Starbucks, Proctor and Gamble, Kraft, ConAgra Foods, you get the point. No company gives a flying crap about you. They can release PR and warm fuzzies to make you flock to them, but they want only your money.
So saying that I would actually look up to Reggie or any president of a company? Yeah. Right. I like Nintendo and consider myself a fan, but I'm not a blind sheep. He could care less about anyone unless they give him their money. In a way, he said just that with one comment.
The guy is cocky just like any other CEO is about their products. Business 101.
@Garfitor
Exactly.
Why should I pay for something just because it's hardcore? What if Dead Space doesn't interest me? What if I find Madworld disgustingly obnoxious?
Do I just shut up and buy them anyway because they're hardcore and I've been wanting a hardcore game? Bullshit. I'm not opening up my wallet until you give me a reason to, Reggie.
Exactly.
Why should I pay for something just because it's hardcore? What if Dead Space doesn't interest me? What if I find Madworld disgustingly obnoxious?
Do I just shut up and buy them anyway because they're hardcore and I've been wanting a hardcore game? Bullshit. I'm not opening up my wallet until you give me a reason to, Reggie.
I think Reggie is actually right on the money here. There have been plenty of "core" games made for Wii, and many of them critically recommended but despite all the complaining about Wii's supposed lack of content, no one ever goes out and BUYS these games.
@RustyCage
here here, i agree completely. sorry for the double post, but i've got to say that if nintendo would stop sitting on core titles (disaster, fatal frame), we might not be complaining quite so loudly. if you're really trying to tell me that there are quality titles on wii that i'm just refusing to buy, i'm saying you're mistaken.
the only decent new ip for nin this gen is wii sports. no other new titles. that and lacking support from the major devs. why the hell isn't nintendo encouraging a new resident evil on wii? re4 is amazing on wii. but no, we get rail shooter after rail shooter. at least sin and punishment is going to be good.
here here, i agree completely. sorry for the double post, but i've got to say that if nintendo would stop sitting on core titles (disaster, fatal frame), we might not be complaining quite so loudly. if you're really trying to tell me that there are quality titles on wii that i'm just refusing to buy, i'm saying you're mistaken.
the only decent new ip for nin this gen is wii sports. no other new titles. that and lacking support from the major devs. why the hell isn't nintendo encouraging a new resident evil on wii? re4 is amazing on wii. but no, we get rail shooter after rail shooter. at least sin and punishment is going to be good.
@bobyoko
If you think Wii Sports is the only good new IP from Nintendo this gen is Wii Sports, ok. But their old IPs are still kicking and still awesome.
Did you purchase the new Punch-Out? How about MP:trilogy? Mario Strikers Charged?
How about third party? House of the Dead? Madworld? Guilty Gear? SNKAC? DBZ: BT3? A Boy and his Blob? Mario and Sonic? TMNT smash-up?
Intend to buy Silent Hill Shattered Memories? Tatsunoko vs Capcom? RE:DC? S&P2?
Way to complain about rail-shooter after rail-shooter and then praise Sin and Punishment.
In case you haven't noticed it's a rail-shooter as well.
If you think Wii Sports is the only good new IP from Nintendo this gen is Wii Sports, ok. But their old IPs are still kicking and still awesome.
Did you purchase the new Punch-Out? How about MP:trilogy? Mario Strikers Charged?
How about third party? House of the Dead? Madworld? Guilty Gear? SNKAC? DBZ: BT3? A Boy and his Blob? Mario and Sonic? TMNT smash-up?
Intend to buy Silent Hill Shattered Memories? Tatsunoko vs Capcom? RE:DC? S&P2?
Way to complain about rail-shooter after rail-shooter and then praise Sin and Punishment.
In case you haven't noticed it's a rail-shooter as well.
dead space is a rails shooter, i expected the same kinda experience from the acclaimed xbox version, so they lost my mula there,
madworld didn't get my mula either, mostly because madworld will pail in comparisson to bayonetta,
and modern warfare reflex should pwn the conduit, and that's a port i've had to battle with just to accept my purchase ¬¬
i've opened up my wallet before but now i just want to open it when top quality experiences return such as zack and wiki, and not spyborgs,
madworld didn't get my mula either, mostly because madworld will pail in comparisson to bayonetta,
and modern warfare reflex should pwn the conduit, and that's a port i've had to battle with just to accept my purchase ¬¬
i've opened up my wallet before but now i just want to open it when top quality experiences return such as zack and wiki, and not spyborgs,
.. but i do agree with reggie, there are far too many multiconsole owners who can't support systems when they are free to choose whatever multiplatform game version they want,
thus; never securing that market for the future, which is fundamentally flawed because these same people bang on and on about how there are no games for wii ¬¬
thus; never securing that market for the future, which is fundamentally flawed because these same people bang on and on about how there are no games for wii ¬¬
Get some facts straight guys.
1) Reggie is addressing you only if you're b**** about a lack of 3rd party core games on the system. If you say the core games are crap, that's fine. I won't disagree with that. But he's not insulting people who can't buy these games because of finances. Only the ones who b**** about it and refuse to try what's out there.
2) He's trying to support third parties because they're obviously upset that their games aren't selling that well. I'm not saying those games necessarily deserve to sell, but that's what he's trying to do.
3) The Conduit is not a niche title.
I have only two third-party games so far: The Conduit and Sim City Creator. I like both games. I will be picking up more but money is an issue.
Hongo, every time you say "casual" and "hardcore" you make yourself look more ridiculous.
1) Reggie is addressing you only if you're b**** about a lack of 3rd party core games on the system. If you say the core games are crap, that's fine. I won't disagree with that. But he's not insulting people who can't buy these games because of finances. Only the ones who b**** about it and refuse to try what's out there.
2) He's trying to support third parties because they're obviously upset that their games aren't selling that well. I'm not saying those games necessarily deserve to sell, but that's what he's trying to do.
3) The Conduit is not a niche title.
I have only two third-party games so far: The Conduit and Sim City Creator. I like both games. I will be picking up more but money is an issue.
Hongo, every time you say "casual" and "hardcore" you make yourself look more ridiculous.
Wasn't there a lot more comments on here yesterday? I could've sworn I commented on this.
This year was the first year I had more than the Wii to buy games for. I bought a PS3. Looking at both collections: I bought way more Wii games than I bought PS3 games. That wasn't due to just financial status, there were a lot of great games with great reviews I needed to try.
This whole rail shooter bashing is just nonsense. It doesn't stop a game from being challenging or in the case of Overkill, highly entertaining.
Reggie is dead on here and deserves props for calling out gamers. There are tons of great games for the Wii from third parties that deserve financial support, otherwise they won't try to make games for it anymore.
Also, stop wishing your Wii games were like 360/PS3 games. They're radically different systems. Why do you have the Wii if you're gonna complain about the games you don't have on the Wii but can find on the PS3/X360. Just trade your stuff in and buy the games you want.
And try Amazon if you want great Wii games at low prices. It's how I get good deals for PS3 games.
This whole rail shooter bashing is just nonsense. It doesn't stop a game from being challenging or in the case of Overkill, highly entertaining.
Reggie is dead on here and deserves props for calling out gamers. There are tons of great games for the Wii from third parties that deserve financial support, otherwise they won't try to make games for it anymore.
Also, stop wishing your Wii games were like 360/PS3 games. They're radically different systems. Why do you have the Wii if you're gonna complain about the games you don't have on the Wii but can find on the PS3/X360. Just trade your stuff in and buy the games you want.
And try Amazon if you want great Wii games at low prices. It's how I get good deals for PS3 games.
@Darkarm87
Exactly, they think b**** and moaning is going to solve all their problems. If you're not happy, move on to where the "grass is greener".
Exactly, they think b**** and moaning is going to solve all their problems. If you're not happy, move on to where the "grass is greener".
You know, he does have a point... but then what he said was just an attempt on improving the Wii's core titles sales 
@Andew
"madworld didn't get my mula either, mostly because madworld will pail in comparisson to bayonetta"
That is dumber than saying "I'm not going to buy Ratchet and Clank A Crack in Time because Super Mario Galaxy 2 will be so much better."
regardless of whether or not that is true (I still think Madworld is the best brawler of the past 10 years at least) it is stupid and you are missing out on what is still a fantastic experience (that will cost you a mere 15 dollars as opposed to 60 for bayonetta).
Please get Madworld and don't judge it to bayonetta because it is the same studio.
"madworld didn't get my mula either, mostly because madworld will pail in comparisson to bayonetta"
That is dumber than saying "I'm not going to buy Ratchet and Clank A Crack in Time because Super Mario Galaxy 2 will be so much better."
regardless of whether or not that is true (I still think Madworld is the best brawler of the past 10 years at least) it is stupid and you are missing out on what is still a fantastic experience (that will cost you a mere 15 dollars as opposed to 60 for bayonetta).
Please get Madworld and don't judge it to bayonetta because it is the same studio.
@Hongo
You're somewhat right about Nintendo proliferating the "casual" image, but only to a point. They did so, strongly, in the first couple of years, especially in promoting titles like Wii Sports and Wii Fit, because they were still new to this "Blue Ocean Strategy" of theirs, and wanted to aggressively market to that "Expanded audience". They now have that audience, firmly in the palm of their hand, between Wii and DS.
But since launch, Nintendo has also released far more "core" titles for both consoles than they have "casual" ones. The true proliferation of the Wii as a "casual" system, has been made by exactly those people that you're talking about, those who feel that that the PS3 or 360 have more "core" games to offer them. The people who care so much about whether or not EVERY single game has online play. The people who would rather have Hollywood size game budgets, HD graphics and online battle modes, than great game design, unique ideas, and FUN gameplay. This is all generalization of course, but let's be honest, that's most of what any of us who post in here deal in.
But really, I wasn't saying it was the 3rd party devs. fault for this phenomenon. I was, and am, squarely blaming the people who complain about a lack of support, but then don't buy any of the games. At all. It really is their fault, largely.
@dandancc
What you just said, about other systems having better 3rd party games, is completely subjective, and totally your opinion.
I'm sorry, but in MY own subjective opinion, what games are there, really, on PS3 or Xbox360 that are so much better than what the Wii has had to offer? I own a PS3, and the only game I've bought this year was Tekken 6 recently. And I'll be honest with you, being a huge Tekken fan, graphics or not, I was really disappointed in this game, just like I was with Soul Calibur 4, and I've already traded in towards NSMBWii. I was really bummed too, because I was hoping it would be as good as Tekken 5 was, which it absolutely isn't.
But really, maybe it's just MY taste in games, but I guess you'd say I'm a "core" gamer, and there has been nothing at all on 360 and very little on PS3 that has appealed to me. Assassin's Creed, Call of Duty, GTA, Prototype, Infamous, Uncharted, Halo, Resistance, Metal Gear Solid, God of War, you name it....none of those games really appeal to me.
Whereas in the last year, I've bought a lot of Wii games that have appealed to me, and with few exceptions, most of them have been either good or even great. Mushroom Men, The Munchables, and Excite Bots were all fun games, worth playing. The Conduit's single player ISN'T the best out there, but it's decent, and the online is fantastic. And Muramasa, Little King's Story, Ghostbusters, and Metroid Prime Trilogy have all been amazingly great purchases. Time consuming, fun to play, and all great reasons to own a Wii.
I've still got NSMBWii and The Crystal Bearers on my plate this year, and I just recently ordered A Boy and His Blob off Amazon, after seeing a lot of good reviews.
So I guess, like I said, other consoles having "better" offerings is completely up to individual opinion. The Wii has, since the day I got it in Feb. 07, had a steady stream of games that I have been very interested in, and have enjoyed thoroughly.
You're somewhat right about Nintendo proliferating the "casual" image, but only to a point. They did so, strongly, in the first couple of years, especially in promoting titles like Wii Sports and Wii Fit, because they were still new to this "Blue Ocean Strategy" of theirs, and wanted to aggressively market to that "Expanded audience". They now have that audience, firmly in the palm of their hand, between Wii and DS.
But since launch, Nintendo has also released far more "core" titles for both consoles than they have "casual" ones. The true proliferation of the Wii as a "casual" system, has been made by exactly those people that you're talking about, those who feel that that the PS3 or 360 have more "core" games to offer them. The people who care so much about whether or not EVERY single game has online play. The people who would rather have Hollywood size game budgets, HD graphics and online battle modes, than great game design, unique ideas, and FUN gameplay. This is all generalization of course, but let's be honest, that's most of what any of us who post in here deal in.
But really, I wasn't saying it was the 3rd party devs. fault for this phenomenon. I was, and am, squarely blaming the people who complain about a lack of support, but then don't buy any of the games. At all. It really is their fault, largely.
@dandancc
What you just said, about other systems having better 3rd party games, is completely subjective, and totally your opinion.
I'm sorry, but in MY own subjective opinion, what games are there, really, on PS3 or Xbox360 that are so much better than what the Wii has had to offer? I own a PS3, and the only game I've bought this year was Tekken 6 recently. And I'll be honest with you, being a huge Tekken fan, graphics or not, I was really disappointed in this game, just like I was with Soul Calibur 4, and I've already traded in towards NSMBWii. I was really bummed too, because I was hoping it would be as good as Tekken 5 was, which it absolutely isn't.
But really, maybe it's just MY taste in games, but I guess you'd say I'm a "core" gamer, and there has been nothing at all on 360 and very little on PS3 that has appealed to me. Assassin's Creed, Call of Duty, GTA, Prototype, Infamous, Uncharted, Halo, Resistance, Metal Gear Solid, God of War, you name it....none of those games really appeal to me.
Whereas in the last year, I've bought a lot of Wii games that have appealed to me, and with few exceptions, most of them have been either good or even great. Mushroom Men, The Munchables, and Excite Bots were all fun games, worth playing. The Conduit's single player ISN'T the best out there, but it's decent, and the online is fantastic. And Muramasa, Little King's Story, Ghostbusters, and Metroid Prime Trilogy have all been amazingly great purchases. Time consuming, fun to play, and all great reasons to own a Wii.
I've still got NSMBWii and The Crystal Bearers on my plate this year, and I just recently ordered A Boy and His Blob off Amazon, after seeing a lot of good reviews.
So I guess, like I said, other consoles having "better" offerings is completely up to individual opinion. The Wii has, since the day I got it in Feb. 07, had a steady stream of games that I have been very interested in, and have enjoyed thoroughly.
I don't think he told us to stop crying and open our wallets. he may need a serious dose of reality, but he's not a total A hole. lol
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Reggie just took your name down...