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November 7, 2009 by RawmeatCowboy
Filed Under: Wii, Nintendo in general
The Wii isn't doing as well as it used to be. This we all know...it's no surprise. The thing is, as soon as Nintendo starts making a little less money than God, much of the industry starts calling for the demise of the Big N. Why on earth is that? How come so many are ready to jump on Nintendo and stomp them down as soon as things get a little less rosy? Is there a point to this negativity?
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Just Kaz Hirai really thinks of that happening. And Kutaragi:
"The PS3 is a computer. We don't need the PC"
Haha silly joke of a console but children think it's "TEH REEL MEN" console
"The PS3 is a computer. We don't need the PC"
Haha silly joke of a console but children think it's "TEH REEL MEN" console
All we need is GAMES. If Nintendo upped their game releases and they release the right games at the right time people would care less. As it stands Nintendo had a horrible year due to Wii Music and Animal Crossing Wii. I'm not sure WTH they were thinking making those games their big holiday games last year. The impact on their bottom line was huge. They needed a NSMB Wii last Christmas to make last Christmas a hit.
And what happened to Nintendo releasing games for the DS? We went from having hit after hit of good games on the DS to a HUGE glut of so so games. Did Nintendo forget about what put them so high up on everybodies wish list?
Just needs GAMES... that's all...
And what happened to Nintendo releasing games for the DS? We went from having hit after hit of good games on the DS to a HUGE glut of so so games. Did Nintendo forget about what put them so high up on everybodies wish list?
Just needs GAMES... that's all...
There's a point so much as there is a downward trend. The outcome of any company or product is never destined in fate to head in only a single direction. It's the same way people complain about Nintendo because of the inferior technology of their systems, but that's a decision they made in the present design that can just as easily be reversed in the future, just as it has in the past. Nothing is as "doomed" as people say, there are only downward trends because of the circumstances in the present. Everything you hear covering these declines are just exaggerated versions, in varying degrees, of the same worries Iwata has expressed alot recently.
>>>Why on earth is that? How come so many are ready to jump on Nintendo and stomp them down as soon as things get a little less rosy? Is there a point to this negativity?<<<
My reply will sound arrogant and highly generalizing but I'll go with it: Look at the average gamer that you find in gamestores, in schools, at work.
Look at the most discussed games on popular message boards, notice the general "bad" tone of such discussions. It's no wonder to me that such people want to see the Wii fail at any cost. They see it as a threat to their hobby and the established gaming world they live in.
My reply will sound arrogant and highly generalizing but I'll go with it: Look at the average gamer that you find in gamestores, in schools, at work.
Look at the most discussed games on popular message boards, notice the general "bad" tone of such discussions. It's no wonder to me that such people want to see the Wii fail at any cost. They see it as a threat to their hobby and the established gaming world they live in.
So let me understand this line of thinking...
The Wii has sold more units worldwide than the 360 and the PS3 COMBINED and people are saying the Wii is in decline?
Nintendo made almost a BILLION dollars in PROFIT in only 6 months (not revenue mind you, profit) and people are saying this is the end of Nintendo?
Please put down the crack pipe.
The Wii has sold more units worldwide than the 360 and the PS3 COMBINED and people are saying the Wii is in decline?
Nintendo made almost a BILLION dollars in PROFIT in only 6 months (not revenue mind you, profit) and people are saying this is the end of Nintendo?
Please put down the crack pipe.
Truth is, these are the same people who have constantly been predicting the Wii would eventually fail since it was announced.
They've been predicting it constantly and this is just more of that.
In many respects, it's a self fulfilling prophecy. Keep repeating how awful it is and eventually it makes it's way to the mainstream. They've been trying to kill the Wii for God knows what reasons and they see this as yet another chance to strike.
And by "they" I mean journalists, bloggers, analysts and, of course, fanboys.
They've been predicting it constantly and this is just more of that.
In many respects, it's a self fulfilling prophecy. Keep repeating how awful it is and eventually it makes it's way to the mainstream. They've been trying to kill the Wii for God knows what reasons and they see this as yet another chance to strike.
And by "they" I mean journalists, bloggers, analysts and, of course, fanboys.
Won't be long before the "Nintendo will get bought Apple" headlines will appear again.
RMC your definition of "The Industry" please.
RMC your definition of "The Industry" please.
I don't "celebrate" when Nintendo goes through hard times, nor do I want the company to fail overall.
I do think, as I've said before, that Nintendo is its own worst enemy. It chooses to do things in last place (cartridges instead of CDs until necessity flat-out forced them to/snail slow adoption of online usage components/HD compatibility/etc.) years after everyone else makes it the standard, plus the fact that they don't utilize all the resources that they DO have.
They have a whoppingly huge fanbase that calls out repeatedly over the years for a numerous franchise to be revisited, and they ignore it, while companies like Capcom (especially), Sega, and Square do their own things, but provide a lot of fan service in equally favorable amounts. Nintendo does what it wants to, and doesn't "listen" as much as they've "always claimed to" in the last few weeks.
Plus, they've taken such a "sterile" and "secretive" approach to games. NoA PR flat-out lies now where it used to always drop tiny hints to keep people enticed (I miss the Perrin Kaplan era, and those other people involved). They've killed their community (NSider, shifted Nintendo Power to someone else), and all of their marketing is white and sterile. I stopped going to Nintendo.com before it's become so visually boring since the Wii really started catching on.
Plus Japan gets a ton of retail games that the other regions probably never will (Disaster, Captain Rainbow, Fatal Frame IV, Cosmic Walker, etc), and their Virtual Console Service is now easily over 200+ games larger past any other region. They have games, but don't release them.
The point is that Nintendo should never be at a point where anyone feels that they are "in decline". They have more than enough resources currently and in terms of what COULD be done, and I wonder if they're honestly even aware of that.
I can understand the "out of touch" comments people make.
I do think, as I've said before, that Nintendo is its own worst enemy. It chooses to do things in last place (cartridges instead of CDs until necessity flat-out forced them to/snail slow adoption of online usage components/HD compatibility/etc.) years after everyone else makes it the standard, plus the fact that they don't utilize all the resources that they DO have.
They have a whoppingly huge fanbase that calls out repeatedly over the years for a numerous franchise to be revisited, and they ignore it, while companies like Capcom (especially), Sega, and Square do their own things, but provide a lot of fan service in equally favorable amounts. Nintendo does what it wants to, and doesn't "listen" as much as they've "always claimed to" in the last few weeks.
Plus, they've taken such a "sterile" and "secretive" approach to games. NoA PR flat-out lies now where it used to always drop tiny hints to keep people enticed (I miss the Perrin Kaplan era, and those other people involved). They've killed their community (NSider, shifted Nintendo Power to someone else), and all of their marketing is white and sterile. I stopped going to Nintendo.com before it's become so visually boring since the Wii really started catching on.
Plus Japan gets a ton of retail games that the other regions probably never will (Disaster, Captain Rainbow, Fatal Frame IV, Cosmic Walker, etc), and their Virtual Console Service is now easily over 200+ games larger past any other region. They have games, but don't release them.
The point is that Nintendo should never be at a point where anyone feels that they are "in decline". They have more than enough resources currently and in terms of what COULD be done, and I wonder if they're honestly even aware of that.
I can understand the "out of touch" comments people make.
@60fps
"nintendo will get bought apple" is as possible as "microsoft will succum to mac and state that leopard is the future"
"nintendo will get bought apple" is as possible as "microsoft will succum to mac and state that leopard is the future"
It's a trend really. The Wii is different from the PS360. Diiference is not good for humans it seems. I like it and millions of others do but...
The thing I see, as mentioned, is a trend. It's not "cool" to play on the Wii. It's only for kids and the so called casual gamers etc. I read forums a lot when I have the time and some people say the games suck before even testing them out. Punch Out Wii is a good example. It didn't sell a lot here in Europe. And before it came out people were allready all over it saying things like: "It's just another Wii game." or "It's OK but not AAA" etc... A very childish approach if you ask me. If you hate shrimps, then you have to taste it first. Another game could be Madworld or even Disaster: Day of Crisis. I haven't played the latter one so I can't comment on it, but people say it sucks before they tried it, which is my point.
A stupid trend. These people are not gamers, just people with a tad bit more time on their hands than others and have thing of going on a forum and saying "Wii sucks" with no reason...
The thing I see, as mentioned, is a trend. It's not "cool" to play on the Wii. It's only for kids and the so called casual gamers etc. I read forums a lot when I have the time and some people say the games suck before even testing them out. Punch Out Wii is a good example. It didn't sell a lot here in Europe. And before it came out people were allready all over it saying things like: "It's just another Wii game." or "It's OK but not AAA" etc... A very childish approach if you ask me. If you hate shrimps, then you have to taste it first. Another game could be Madworld or even Disaster: Day of Crisis. I haven't played the latter one so I can't comment on it, but people say it sucks before they tried it, which is my point.
A stupid trend. These people are not gamers, just people with a tad bit more time on their hands than others and have thing of going on a forum and saying "Wii sucks" with no reason...
The fact is there is a strong division of gamer who really and truly want AND THINK Nintendo is in the kiddy gimmick casual only console corner. Anything else is SO COOL and ANYTHING Nintendo is not. They want it dead and gone.
Then w/e Microsoft and Sony decide like $600 consoles and a yearly paid online subscription+games+the console is all well and good.
Fine and dandy. AND Nintendo? its simply not for them its for kids.
I am yet to understand why the other two are sooo for adult/mature gamers and the Wii isn't?
Games on 3 with blood killing shooting enthralling experiences. Kiddy games on all 3 systems too...so why the division why the Nintendo hate.....
I besides my points really don't get it.
Is it just plain ignorance and bias? cant be NO HD factor?
Because what was the factor last gen with the gamecube...being more powerful than PS2 yet left high and dry...and heres the kicker so was Xbox1..more powerful and yet continued to be supported with gamecube left to the weyside to die?
hm history repeats?
Then w/e Microsoft and Sony decide like $600 consoles and a yearly paid online subscription+games+the console is all well and good.
Fine and dandy. AND Nintendo? its simply not for them its for kids.
I am yet to understand why the other two are sooo for adult/mature gamers and the Wii isn't?
Games on 3 with blood killing shooting enthralling experiences. Kiddy games on all 3 systems too...so why the division why the Nintendo hate.....
I besides my points really don't get it.
Is it just plain ignorance and bias? cant be NO HD factor?
Because what was the factor last gen with the gamecube...being more powerful than PS2 yet left high and dry...and heres the kicker so was Xbox1..more powerful and yet continued to be supported with gamecube left to the weyside to die?
hm history repeats?
Not a terrible read, but then again, they say right at the beginning that it isn't an article produced by Eurogamer.
This subject would be great for a topic over on the GoNintendo Message Boards. Although it seems like some of your are having a discussion here. :/
This subject would be great for a topic over on the GoNintendo Message Boards. Although it seems like some of your are having a discussion here. :/
@Entity
I read and realised we are sort of trying to say the same thing.
Those people are out there in great great numbers.
I read and realised we are sort of trying to say the same thing.
Those people are out there in great great numbers.
@GWXworld
Indeed we did
There are plenty of gems on the Wii. I play it all the time and I started with pong and C64 (as I have mentioned before). But as said it's just atrend.
I could list some games...Maybe I should!
-MadWorld
-HOTD: OVERKILL
-Metroid Prime 3 (and triology)
-Galaxy
-Zelda
-Conduit
-Wii sports resort with WMpluss
-Grand Slam Tennis (It's actually good)
-Punch Out Wii
-Cursed Mountain
etc,...
And the games that are coming:
-Final Fantasy: TCB
-Red Steel 2
-Monster Hunter 3
-Tatsunoko vs Capcom
-Zelda Wii
and many more.
Plus you have Wiiware and VC...
And these are just a handfull of games.
It's just a freaking trend to hate what is "not cool"
Heck. I have Wii Fit...So?
"there are no hardcore nor casual gamers. We are all just GAMERS"
Indeed we did
There are plenty of gems on the Wii. I play it all the time and I started with pong and C64 (as I have mentioned before). But as said it's just atrend.
I could list some games...Maybe I should!
-MadWorld
-HOTD: OVERKILL
-Metroid Prime 3 (and triology)
-Galaxy
-Zelda
-Conduit
-Wii sports resort with WMpluss
-Grand Slam Tennis (It's actually good)
-Punch Out Wii
-Cursed Mountain
etc,...
And the games that are coming:
-Final Fantasy: TCB
-Red Steel 2
-Monster Hunter 3
-Tatsunoko vs Capcom
-Zelda Wii
and many more.
Plus you have Wiiware and VC...
And these are just a handfull of games.
It's just a freaking trend to hate what is "not cool"
Heck. I have Wii Fit...So?
"there are no hardcore nor casual gamers. We are all just GAMERS"
i really see no way nintendo could ever win longterm , they will always be the kiddy / casual / lost their way/ betrayer/ whatever. There are just no way . Everytime it's on a nintendo , it's always nintendo's fault . It's never good enough .
@thedreadpirateguy
"(cartridges instead of CDs until necessity flat-out forced them to..."
Before the success of the PSX, other consoles based on CDs such as the Sega 32x, NeoGeo CD, and CDi-phillip were a huge failure. That's why Nintendo didn't choose CDs for the Nintendo 64. However, it wasn't only the lack of CDs, the N64 had too many design problems and in those days Nintendo had an attitude extremely arrogant toward the third parties.
"snail slow adoption of online usage components/HD compatibility/etc.)years after everyone else makes it the standard"
I agree with you on the slow adoption of online components, but Nintendo has sold more wii consoles than PS3 and Xbox360 combined without the need of HD capabilities. And last time I checked, SDTVs are still dominating.
I think that one of the key of Nintendo success in this gen, is that they didn't force the customers to buy a new TV in order to enjoy their new console.
"NoA PR flat-out lies now where it used to always drop tiny hints to keep people enticed (I miss the Perrin Kaplan era, and those other people involved)."
Maybe you don't know, but NoA was the main responsible for NGC's failure. They practically killed the console with their bad decisions, it wasn't really Sony or MS as some people might believe. That's why, when Iwata took a position at Nintendo as the head of its corporate planning division, he cut off the heads of NoA executives.
"(cartridges instead of CDs until necessity flat-out forced them to..."
Before the success of the PSX, other consoles based on CDs such as the Sega 32x, NeoGeo CD, and CDi-phillip were a huge failure. That's why Nintendo didn't choose CDs for the Nintendo 64. However, it wasn't only the lack of CDs, the N64 had too many design problems and in those days Nintendo had an attitude extremely arrogant toward the third parties.
"snail slow adoption of online usage components/HD compatibility/etc.)years after everyone else makes it the standard"
I agree with you on the slow adoption of online components, but Nintendo has sold more wii consoles than PS3 and Xbox360 combined without the need of HD capabilities. And last time I checked, SDTVs are still dominating.
I think that one of the key of Nintendo success in this gen, is that they didn't force the customers to buy a new TV in order to enjoy their new console.
"NoA PR flat-out lies now where it used to always drop tiny hints to keep people enticed (I miss the Perrin Kaplan era, and those other people involved)."
Maybe you don't know, but NoA was the main responsible for NGC's failure. They practically killed the console with their bad decisions, it wasn't really Sony or MS as some people might believe. That's why, when Iwata took a position at Nintendo as the head of its corporate planning division, he cut off the heads of NoA executives.
there's a simple answer to your question. because we are the only people associated with the industry (as fans) that like nintendo. everyone else hates the company and wants to see them fail. i blame the playstation generation.
Nintendo makes a lot of stupid decisions and is behind the game on everything except, generally, a few amazing things.
Regardless, the only benefit to Nintendo doing bad is that they have to try harder, meaning better games from them.
Gamecube did terrible, and had AMAZING games, all the f*** time.
@King_Dodongo
It only does everything.
Regardless, the only benefit to Nintendo doing bad is that they have to try harder, meaning better games from them.
Gamecube did terrible, and had AMAZING games, all the f*** time.
@King_Dodongo
It only does everything.
well you know its one of those things. nintendo basically built the home console market here in the states. of course atari and sega had a lot to do with that as well and they don't get enough credit. in that sense, nintendo are very old school, and their games are very old school with a new coat of paint. in a sense that is good for old time veteran gamers like me, meaning older 30 crowd, with kids, nintendad's or whatever.
when the playstation came out, with its grand theft auto, and later god of war's, and the emergence of the first person shooter genre, a new gamer has emerged and stayed. obviously some old timers joined the crowd. so that is what is 'cool' and on the in, and part of the 'incrowd', or 'hardcore' nowadays. i refuse to term these people 'hardcore' because if anyone has ever played old arcade games, and older games in general, they are hard as shi*. so i'd like to believe hardcore means gamers with awesome skills on any genre of game, and not just someone who plays games that involve only sex, violence, and blood regardless of skill level.
in any case, the point is, there is a huge divide here right down the middle. the new or 'casual' gamers don't really even factor into this in my opinion. its really what type of games you like. and it doesn't surprise me that one side is hoping the other would die. yes nintendo isn't dominating like it was a year ago, but sony or MS would be hardpressed to ever catch up this gen. obviously if nintendo never launches a system again, then the ps3 or 360 could catch up. but obviously nintendo's next system will keep that from happening.
what nintendo has done this generation is bring back old arcade style gaming to gaming fans. its been gone for sometime. they've gone back to the basics of gaming, and consumers have responded. MS and sony continue down the path of the PC gaming approach, which are totally different paths. eventually their path will lead to the universal gaming console, which ultimately means that there will be no difference between PC and console gaming. one machine will play all games. being different and inventing new innovative I/O devices is nintendo's greatest strength. which developing approach is preferred? we who are buying the games are deciding that right now.
when the playstation came out, with its grand theft auto, and later god of war's, and the emergence of the first person shooter genre, a new gamer has emerged and stayed. obviously some old timers joined the crowd. so that is what is 'cool' and on the in, and part of the 'incrowd', or 'hardcore' nowadays. i refuse to term these people 'hardcore' because if anyone has ever played old arcade games, and older games in general, they are hard as shi*. so i'd like to believe hardcore means gamers with awesome skills on any genre of game, and not just someone who plays games that involve only sex, violence, and blood regardless of skill level.
in any case, the point is, there is a huge divide here right down the middle. the new or 'casual' gamers don't really even factor into this in my opinion. its really what type of games you like. and it doesn't surprise me that one side is hoping the other would die. yes nintendo isn't dominating like it was a year ago, but sony or MS would be hardpressed to ever catch up this gen. obviously if nintendo never launches a system again, then the ps3 or 360 could catch up. but obviously nintendo's next system will keep that from happening.
what nintendo has done this generation is bring back old arcade style gaming to gaming fans. its been gone for sometime. they've gone back to the basics of gaming, and consumers have responded. MS and sony continue down the path of the PC gaming approach, which are totally different paths. eventually their path will lead to the universal gaming console, which ultimately means that there will be no difference between PC and console gaming. one machine will play all games. being different and inventing new innovative I/O devices is nintendo's greatest strength. which developing approach is preferred? we who are buying the games are deciding that right now.
Most people above have said what I wanted to say so I'll just do stuff.
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@thedreadpirateguy
I agree with this for the most part. Although any company will have periods of decline, it's just how economics work.
I agree with this for the most part. Although any company will have periods of decline, it's just how economics work.
@Eternal Rain
Hahha!
I love it when you do 'stuff'!
As for this topic [again, again, again...]. Here's what I think; this is one for the industry and its HD [and soon to be 3D] fanboys:
*A tumbleweed rolls slowly across the brown and grey wastelands, onwards forever and ever and ever... Bang bang bada boom!!*
Hahha!
I love it when you do 'stuff'!
As for this topic [again, again, again...]. Here's what I think; this is one for the industry and its HD [and soon to be 3D] fanboys:
*A tumbleweed rolls slowly across the brown and grey wastelands, onwards forever and ever and ever... Bang bang bada boom!!*
@Burgers
This.
No one knows what the market will do. In any industry for that matter, not just video games. The Wii came as a total surprise. All companies see good times and bad. Next gen Nintendo could be even bigger than ever or they could be in last place again.
However, the Wii is a success, but I have to wonder: Will a good majority of it's buyers purchase it's successor?
"Why can the old one not do that? So I have to buy a new one? Every 5-6 years? No thanks."
There's negativity everywhere. People that think the Wii is bad and people that think the PS3 and 360 are bad. People that think motion controls are bad and people who think HD is bad. There's people who hate anything and everything.
I don't understand all of the hate for either Nintendo, Sony, or Microsoft. I think that all 3 are needed to keep the market healthy. Think of the industry as a wall: Nintendo, Sony, and MS are strong men supporting it. One could fall and the other two could still support it with enough push.
However, if two were to fall, one man would not be able to hold it, bringing the structure down. Atari alone brought the industry to it's end all those years ago before Nintendo revived it. No matter which of the 3, success would go to their heads and time has proven what results due to it. Competition is good and healthy for any industry.
Being in last place also doesn't mean you fail. But being in first doesn't always mean you're succeeding. Sony has put out some great quality software on the PSP and PS3 despite being 2nd and 3rd in each market. Nintendo put out some of their best games yet back on the GameCube, despite being in 3rd.
Sometimes being in 3rd, while not good for the company, you really get the best as a consumer. The company pushes themselves to rise back and in return, you benefit, if that made any sense.
This.
No one knows what the market will do. In any industry for that matter, not just video games. The Wii came as a total surprise. All companies see good times and bad. Next gen Nintendo could be even bigger than ever or they could be in last place again.
However, the Wii is a success, but I have to wonder: Will a good majority of it's buyers purchase it's successor?
"Why can the old one not do that? So I have to buy a new one? Every 5-6 years? No thanks."
There's negativity everywhere. People that think the Wii is bad and people that think the PS3 and 360 are bad. People that think motion controls are bad and people who think HD is bad. There's people who hate anything and everything.
I don't understand all of the hate for either Nintendo, Sony, or Microsoft. I think that all 3 are needed to keep the market healthy. Think of the industry as a wall: Nintendo, Sony, and MS are strong men supporting it. One could fall and the other two could still support it with enough push.
However, if two were to fall, one man would not be able to hold it, bringing the structure down. Atari alone brought the industry to it's end all those years ago before Nintendo revived it. No matter which of the 3, success would go to their heads and time has proven what results due to it. Competition is good and healthy for any industry.
Being in last place also doesn't mean you fail. But being in first doesn't always mean you're succeeding. Sony has put out some great quality software on the PSP and PS3 despite being 2nd and 3rd in each market. Nintendo put out some of their best games yet back on the GameCube, despite being in 3rd.
Sometimes being in 3rd, while not good for the company, you really get the best as a consumer. The company pushes themselves to rise back and in return, you benefit, if that made any sense.
Anyone celebrating the demise of one console or another, frankly, is just plain stupid.
I'll be honest, I hate the Xbox brand, always have. I don't like the console, I don't like the controller, I don't like Microsoft in general, and I REALLY just don't like any of the games those systems have had to offer. But if the Xbox went under tomorrow, you wouldn't see me going "YAY". If other people like that stuff, good for them. I don't, good for me.
The Wii is a success. The DS is a success. The next Nintendo console will be a success. In fact, Nintendo has only ever made ONE system that WASN'T a success, and we all know what it is. The Virtual Boy. That was a horrible experiment gone wrong. Their heart was in the right place, but it just wasn't meant to be. However, the N64 and Gamecube, despite not being market LEADERS like the Wii now is, were still successful, because over 20 million people worldwide bought each of them, and each of them had easily over 30 games or more that sold over 1 million+ copies. In fact, some games for BOTH systems were arguably the best of their respective generations. Point being, Nintendo still made a tidy profit off of both. Not to mention the fact that the Game Boy line is pretty much the most successful video game line in history, along now with it's spiritual successor the DS. They've ruled the portable console market since the original Game Boy released, even WHEN their home consoles weren't "on top".
The Wii isn't going anywhere. I wouldn't be surprised if Nintendo didn't actually bring out their next console until 2012. Why? Because the Wii is still selling like hotcakes. It's "slowing down" compared to the RIDICULOUS growth it saw in 2007 and 2008. But that is hardly to say that the system is "in trouble". It has likely still sold close to 10-15 million consoles this year. And it's still GOING to continue selling, especially with games like NSMBWii and Wii Fit Plus.
The Xbox360 and PS3 are both selling fine, but they also have a long way to go to catch up to Wii in sales, and even that may not happen for a long while, as it's not as if the Wii is going to stop selling at any point in the next 2-3 years. But in the end, who actually cares? Do I personally care that Nintendo is "Number 1"? Sure, I'll admit that I do at least from a nostalgic standpoint, think it's cool that they're the market leader once again. BUT, if the Wii was still second fiddle sales wise as the N64 and GC were, I'd STILL love the system, STILL be just as enthusiastic about it's games, and it would STILL be the console I play the most, because it has the games I actually WANT to play. Sales don't actually mean a damned thing to people who just care about the GAMES.
There's a word for people who celebrate failures or setbacks to consoles other than the ones they own:
Fanboy. And no, that's not a positive connotation.
I'll be honest, I hate the Xbox brand, always have. I don't like the console, I don't like the controller, I don't like Microsoft in general, and I REALLY just don't like any of the games those systems have had to offer. But if the Xbox went under tomorrow, you wouldn't see me going "YAY". If other people like that stuff, good for them. I don't, good for me.
The Wii is a success. The DS is a success. The next Nintendo console will be a success. In fact, Nintendo has only ever made ONE system that WASN'T a success, and we all know what it is. The Virtual Boy. That was a horrible experiment gone wrong. Their heart was in the right place, but it just wasn't meant to be. However, the N64 and Gamecube, despite not being market LEADERS like the Wii now is, were still successful, because over 20 million people worldwide bought each of them, and each of them had easily over 30 games or more that sold over 1 million+ copies. In fact, some games for BOTH systems were arguably the best of their respective generations. Point being, Nintendo still made a tidy profit off of both. Not to mention the fact that the Game Boy line is pretty much the most successful video game line in history, along now with it's spiritual successor the DS. They've ruled the portable console market since the original Game Boy released, even WHEN their home consoles weren't "on top".
The Wii isn't going anywhere. I wouldn't be surprised if Nintendo didn't actually bring out their next console until 2012. Why? Because the Wii is still selling like hotcakes. It's "slowing down" compared to the RIDICULOUS growth it saw in 2007 and 2008. But that is hardly to say that the system is "in trouble". It has likely still sold close to 10-15 million consoles this year. And it's still GOING to continue selling, especially with games like NSMBWii and Wii Fit Plus.
The Xbox360 and PS3 are both selling fine, but they also have a long way to go to catch up to Wii in sales, and even that may not happen for a long while, as it's not as if the Wii is going to stop selling at any point in the next 2-3 years. But in the end, who actually cares? Do I personally care that Nintendo is "Number 1"? Sure, I'll admit that I do at least from a nostalgic standpoint, think it's cool that they're the market leader once again. BUT, if the Wii was still second fiddle sales wise as the N64 and GC were, I'd STILL love the system, STILL be just as enthusiastic about it's games, and it would STILL be the console I play the most, because it has the games I actually WANT to play. Sales don't actually mean a damned thing to people who just care about the GAMES.
There's a word for people who celebrate failures or setbacks to consoles other than the ones they own:
Fanboy. And no, that's not a positive connotation.
This article is awesome, even though the title RMC gave this post is somewhat misleading about its tone.
@Devil_Rising
Yep, also this.
@Devil_Rising
Yep, also this.
Off the back, I want to say that the recession was something not even Nintendo planned for. You would have seen some form of decline regardless of their actions.
The main problem I have with this whole situation, is that most people still do not understand the changing market and give advice (or demands) that would only do Nintendo more harm.
-All releasing a new console would do (the "Wii HD" as it's proposed is essentially a new system, with upgraded technology and a new market focus) is split the userbase, confuse both consumers and developers, and just confirm they are in competition with Sony and Microsoft instead of disinterest.
-No, releasing obscure titles like Disaster and Fatal Frame 4 will not help them. They are non expanded audience or bridge games that can't push hardware, therefor they serve little purpose in this discussion.
-Another price drop is stupid. It's bad enough they did one, and to no surprise it did little to help long term sales. Wii Fit Plus did more to help momentum than a price drop.
At times, I wonder if so called "fans" genuinely like Nintendo or if they seek to do only harm to them.
The main problem I have with this whole situation, is that most people still do not understand the changing market and give advice (or demands) that would only do Nintendo more harm.
-All releasing a new console would do (the "Wii HD" as it's proposed is essentially a new system, with upgraded technology and a new market focus) is split the userbase, confuse both consumers and developers, and just confirm they are in competition with Sony and Microsoft instead of disinterest.
-No, releasing obscure titles like Disaster and Fatal Frame 4 will not help them. They are non expanded audience or bridge games that can't push hardware, therefor they serve little purpose in this discussion.
-Another price drop is stupid. It's bad enough they did one, and to no surprise it did little to help long term sales. Wii Fit Plus did more to help momentum than a price drop.
At times, I wonder if so called "fans" genuinely like Nintendo or if they seek to do only harm to them.
@Inneverate
But pushing hardware isn't that important this far into a generation [especially considering the Wii has reached its peak install base], so why not release a multitude of new and 'obscure' titles like Disaster, FF4 and the like worldwide? What could it hurt [if they were marketed right]?
I wonder if Nintendo fans [like you] actually buy anything other than Nintendo games at all, considering how you nitpick them for every little thing [DS:E comes to mind, only for its rails system]. Third party support has gotten much better in the last year[ and next year looks explosive], but you guys [generally] are still shunning them! Why?
But pushing hardware isn't that important this far into a generation [especially considering the Wii has reached its peak install base], so why not release a multitude of new and 'obscure' titles like Disaster, FF4 and the like worldwide? What could it hurt [if they were marketed right]?
I wonder if Nintendo fans [like you] actually buy anything other than Nintendo games at all, considering how you nitpick them for every little thing [DS:E comes to mind, only for its rails system]. Third party support has gotten much better in the last year[ and next year looks explosive], but you guys [generally] are still shunning them! Why?
why is it when i see gamers saying that the wii is a hardcore "betrayer" and should die, i am reminded of certain people calling certain other people "race traitors" for becoming successful? it just seems like some gamers think that its better to stay "to your roots" and make less money, be hated by society, and live in your own little exclusive club.
the nintendo realized that the "hardcore" are retarded, and dont know what they want, so they went for real success: they entered into a market where they would be loved, and get mega holy s*** rich
now the 360 and ps3 kids are jealous, and think that nintendo should be destroyed, so they can go to live in the gaming slums with all the other all face consoles
it can also be compared to the club house with "no girls allowed", except now, they are in their fat, pimply thirties, and the girls are wearing signs saying "get the hell away from me" (as a note, those girls go home and play the wii with ME, muahahaha)
the nintendo realized that the "hardcore" are retarded, and dont know what they want, so they went for real success: they entered into a market where they would be loved, and get mega holy s*** rich
now the 360 and ps3 kids are jealous, and think that nintendo should be destroyed, so they can go to live in the gaming slums with all the other all face consoles
it can also be compared to the club house with "no girls allowed", except now, they are in their fat, pimply thirties, and the girls are wearing signs saying "get the hell away from me" (as a note, those girls go home and play the wii with ME, muahahaha)
@King_Dodongo
It's the tagline in the commercials.
I was making a joke.
Sorry my sarcasm wasn't loud enough.
Even still, don't act like the PS3 is not a good console. The problem is that it doesn't have enough software, in my opinion, to back it up.
I want less than 10 titles for it.
It has a thousand more features than Wii, making it a more competent device overall, but since I have a 360, the only games I want are PS3 exclusive ones, and that number that catch my interest is very small. So I currently don't own a PS3.
PS2, 360 and Wii are doing me just fine.
It's the tagline in the commercials.
I was making a joke.
Sorry my sarcasm wasn't loud enough.
Even still, don't act like the PS3 is not a good console. The problem is that it doesn't have enough software, in my opinion, to back it up.
I want less than 10 titles for it.
It has a thousand more features than Wii, making it a more competent device overall, but since I have a 360, the only games I want are PS3 exclusive ones, and that number that catch my interest is very small. So I currently don't own a PS3.
PS2, 360 and Wii are doing me just fine.
@Devil_Rising
Agree with your post.. but is funny that you'd use the word fanboy being that there are some of the most rabid Nintendo fanboys on this site.
Agree with your post.. but is funny that you'd use the word fanboy being that there are some of the most rabid Nintendo fanboys on this site.
i want a new system simply because i've yet to see motion controls really add anything to the game. there are few hits, but mostly it's been miss after miss after miss.
fact is the system is getting old, and it's time for an upgrade. nintendo does it with the portables, so i don't see the big deal.
as for the end of nintendo, it could very well be. the wii will NOT last forever, the trick is to get the wii owners to jump ship, and as we saw with the ps2 to ps3, many will not do so right away. so nintendo has to find a way to make current wii owners feel that NEED a new upgraded system.
if they don't do it right, then there could be problems.
i've had the system just over two months and i'm already bored with it. i have yet to see the games really changed by motion control, in fact (at least for me) the controls are more obnoxious than fun.
fact is the system is getting old, and it's time for an upgrade. nintendo does it with the portables, so i don't see the big deal.
as for the end of nintendo, it could very well be. the wii will NOT last forever, the trick is to get the wii owners to jump ship, and as we saw with the ps2 to ps3, many will not do so right away. so nintendo has to find a way to make current wii owners feel that NEED a new upgraded system.
if they don't do it right, then there could be problems.
i've had the system just over two months and i'm already bored with it. i have yet to see the games really changed by motion control, in fact (at least for me) the controls are more obnoxious than fun.
@Inneverate
But Nintendo IS in competition with Sony and Microsoft. The Wii is still a video game system. Nintendo also dropped the Wii's price so shortly after Sony and Microsoft. Yeah, they can feed you the PR warm fuzzies "We decided the time was just right to drop the price of the Wii so it would sell even better. We fail at covering up the fact we dropped it so shortly after the COMPETITION."
The price drop was needed, hands down. The PS3 and 360 were both only $50 more than the Wii. Sure the Wii might be all fine and dandy to some people, but people actually do research and are not as stupid as you make them out to be.
"Duuuuur, I'm tight with my money yet I'm going to get the Wii because it's $50 cheaper because I know I'm getting the best value for my buck and the technology is worth it. Duuuuur."
I consider myself a Nintendo fan. However, I don't cloud myself in a fog of lies and believe everything PR tells me. I spend my OWN money on games. I have a brain. I'm not a mindless sheep.
@hcig
Honestly, the only thing the Wii has running for it, and what has led it to it's success all along, is the controller. That's fine, but if I had to work on a game, I want to push technology and work on certain games for more powerful consoles. It's like having a box of 24 and try to make a picture or get a box of 64 and go all out with color. Other than the controller, these HD consoles you want to see die can do everything else better. Online, features, game updates, the works. The developer doesn't hate Nintendo, but they want to work with a bigger canvas. Anti-Nintendo conspiracy crap so many people here preach makes me laugh.
I have ideas for Wii games but the games have the controllers features in mind. Not every game is better with waggle, and this makes it tacked on. Resident Evil 4 improved in all areas thanks to the Wii Controller because they made it just right and everything felt cool and natural. Metroid Prime 3 and Super Mario Galaxy also shine with this.
Do you get mad that Nintendo is shown in Toys R Us commercials that say "get the hottest toy brands today" along with Hannah Montana and Elmo or that Amazon shows Mario with Barbie and Bakugan. And you generalize anyone that does not like Nintendo as an idiot or unintelligent and a child. I can see why a lot people find Nintendo fans obnoxious. Trying to force games on people that would be download games on a service like Steam.
Some people on this site are the most rabid, obnoxious fanboys I have ever seen. Half not knowing anything about technology or how advanced it's come. To the point where it's sickening. I was once like this... when I was 12. I thought Nintendo was the best and that they were the only ones who made real games, but luckily I dropped that one track mind and played more games elsewhere. There's developers worldwide that develop on par, sometimes even better than the Big N.
@bearded OTP
This.
Motion controls can be fun for some games when done right, but they simply DO NOT make all games better. Motion controls were a godsend for Nintendo, not the entire industry.
But Nintendo IS in competition with Sony and Microsoft. The Wii is still a video game system. Nintendo also dropped the Wii's price so shortly after Sony and Microsoft. Yeah, they can feed you the PR warm fuzzies "We decided the time was just right to drop the price of the Wii so it would sell even better. We fail at covering up the fact we dropped it so shortly after the COMPETITION."
The price drop was needed, hands down. The PS3 and 360 were both only $50 more than the Wii. Sure the Wii might be all fine and dandy to some people, but people actually do research and are not as stupid as you make them out to be.
"Duuuuur, I'm tight with my money yet I'm going to get the Wii because it's $50 cheaper because I know I'm getting the best value for my buck and the technology is worth it. Duuuuur."
I consider myself a Nintendo fan. However, I don't cloud myself in a fog of lies and believe everything PR tells me. I spend my OWN money on games. I have a brain. I'm not a mindless sheep.
@hcig
Honestly, the only thing the Wii has running for it, and what has led it to it's success all along, is the controller. That's fine, but if I had to work on a game, I want to push technology and work on certain games for more powerful consoles. It's like having a box of 24 and try to make a picture or get a box of 64 and go all out with color. Other than the controller, these HD consoles you want to see die can do everything else better. Online, features, game updates, the works. The developer doesn't hate Nintendo, but they want to work with a bigger canvas. Anti-Nintendo conspiracy crap so many people here preach makes me laugh.
I have ideas for Wii games but the games have the controllers features in mind. Not every game is better with waggle, and this makes it tacked on. Resident Evil 4 improved in all areas thanks to the Wii Controller because they made it just right and everything felt cool and natural. Metroid Prime 3 and Super Mario Galaxy also shine with this.
Do you get mad that Nintendo is shown in Toys R Us commercials that say "get the hottest toy brands today" along with Hannah Montana and Elmo or that Amazon shows Mario with Barbie and Bakugan. And you generalize anyone that does not like Nintendo as an idiot or unintelligent and a child. I can see why a lot people find Nintendo fans obnoxious. Trying to force games on people that would be download games on a service like Steam.
Some people on this site are the most rabid, obnoxious fanboys I have ever seen. Half not knowing anything about technology or how advanced it's come. To the point where it's sickening. I was once like this... when I was 12. I thought Nintendo was the best and that they were the only ones who made real games, but luckily I dropped that one track mind and played more games elsewhere. There's developers worldwide that develop on par, sometimes even better than the Big N.
@bearded OTP
This.
Motion controls can be fun for some games when done right, but they simply DO NOT make all games better. Motion controls were a godsend for Nintendo, not the entire industry.
It's not in decline because of sales. It's in decline because of mindset. Because people are stopping to give a s*** about the Wii. It's been a waste of a lot of peoples' money. How many casuals are actively buying games, and didn't just get it because of Wii Sports or Wii Fit?
Are people actually going to defend The Conduit as a reason to dust off the Wii when that game would be called generic and boring five years ago? Rail shooters, no matter how good the story is, are still f***ing rail shooters. They're what you play in an arcade, or a movie theatre fifteen minutes before you go watch the next p.o.s. Michael Bay crap... NOT 50 dollar purchases.
Frankly, the Wii doesn't offer, or rather, offer ENOUGH of what people who actively BUY GAMES want. And know what? Everyone's at fault. Nintendo for creating an underpowered console with f***ing terrible online infrastructure, and having no level of quality control. Third parties for using it as a chance to make a quick buck. And Wii owners for not buying the cool s*** because they have some f***ing self-righteous sense of entitlement.
Yeah, there's the Nintendo hardcore, people on this website, who will still play the system and defend it to the f***ing end, but frankly, that's a SMALL NUMBER. The majority of people who actively buy games for their system are 360/PS3 owners, and I'll bet you the majority of them have stopped caring about the Wii a long time ago, whether they own one or not.
And to those who are acting like someone has just insulted your mother by saying Nintendo is failing or something, get off your f***ing high horse. Gamers are consumers. And as consumers, they have every right to get whatever system offers them what they want. Just like you have every right to enjoy the Wii. But frankly, if all you're going to do is b**** about the state of your console, and just act all jealous about what other systems have, then why do you have a console you're just going to b**** about? It's like going to a restaurant, complaining about the service, the food, everything, all the while staring with green eyes over at the nice Italian place across the street. Know what? You have every right to go across the street if you want, or anywhere else. But if you're just going to sit at a restaurant just to moan and complain, then you're just as big a douche as the guy making fun of the place across from him.
Are people actually going to defend The Conduit as a reason to dust off the Wii when that game would be called generic and boring five years ago? Rail shooters, no matter how good the story is, are still f***ing rail shooters. They're what you play in an arcade, or a movie theatre fifteen minutes before you go watch the next p.o.s. Michael Bay crap... NOT 50 dollar purchases.
Frankly, the Wii doesn't offer, or rather, offer ENOUGH of what people who actively BUY GAMES want. And know what? Everyone's at fault. Nintendo for creating an underpowered console with f***ing terrible online infrastructure, and having no level of quality control. Third parties for using it as a chance to make a quick buck. And Wii owners for not buying the cool s*** because they have some f***ing self-righteous sense of entitlement.
Yeah, there's the Nintendo hardcore, people on this website, who will still play the system and defend it to the f***ing end, but frankly, that's a SMALL NUMBER. The majority of people who actively buy games for their system are 360/PS3 owners, and I'll bet you the majority of them have stopped caring about the Wii a long time ago, whether they own one or not.
And to those who are acting like someone has just insulted your mother by saying Nintendo is failing or something, get off your f***ing high horse. Gamers are consumers. And as consumers, they have every right to get whatever system offers them what they want. Just like you have every right to enjoy the Wii. But frankly, if all you're going to do is b**** about the state of your console, and just act all jealous about what other systems have, then why do you have a console you're just going to b**** about? It's like going to a restaurant, complaining about the service, the food, everything, all the while staring with green eyes over at the nice Italian place across the street. Know what? You have every right to go across the street if you want, or anywhere else. But if you're just going to sit at a restaurant just to moan and complain, then you're just as big a douche as the guy making fun of the place across from him.
@Shaanyboi
That was GOLD. I agree, 100%. It's like people who whine about Street Fighter 4 or RE5 not being on Wii. Ok, so wait in your boat 40 yards out to sea and cry even when you can row yourself to shore and play them NOW.
Being optimistic is fine, but waiting for something that has such a small chance of actually happening and crying about it is YOUR own problem and YOUR own fault.
That was GOLD. I agree, 100%. It's like people who whine about Street Fighter 4 or RE5 not being on Wii. Ok, so wait in your boat 40 yards out to sea and cry even when you can row yourself to shore and play them NOW.
Being optimistic is fine, but waiting for something that has such a small chance of actually happening and crying about it is YOUR own problem and YOUR own fault.
@Hongo
" these HD consoles you want to see die can do everything else better."
when the hell did i say that? i actually like killzone, and the 360, i just dont have one because i dont have the money
" The developer doesn't hate Nintendo, but they want to work with a bigger canvas."
again with this stupid color thing, okay first off, i make my living with art, so i know a thing or two (but no more than that) about constricting yourself, nintendo isnt north korea, they didnt ban color, they just made a console that doesnt allow you to use as many brush types, art turns out better because of the TOOLS not the color, when doing a painting, i cant use a fan brush to do needle fine work, and yea, comparing the consoles, ps3/360 is liner brush, where as the wii is a 1 inch fanbrush, its more comfortable when i get a liner brush (because i work in fine lines) but restricting myself to larger brushes leads to some inventiveness on my part
you will NEVER get out of these stupid gritty space marine games until you force devs into a box, just look at games like word of goo, lost winds, that one shadow game i cant remember, etc, are they any less compelling or successful because they were painted with a wide brush?
"Do you get mad that Nintendo is shown in Toys R Us commercials that say "get the hottest toy brands today" along with Hannah Montana and Elmo or that Amazon shows Mario with Barbie and Bakugan"
um, no? i dont give a crap, just a few years ago they showed the same thing with the ps2, does that make the ps2 a kiddie console?
" I can see why a lot people find Nintendo fans obnoxious. Trying to force games on people that would be download games on a service like Steam."
wait, what?
"Half not knowing anything about technology or how advanced it's come. "
oh boy, so you think that every step out of the uncanny valley and every one into virtual reality is a step back in the technological timeline?
thats just unbelievable
" these HD consoles you want to see die can do everything else better."
when the hell did i say that? i actually like killzone, and the 360, i just dont have one because i dont have the money
" The developer doesn't hate Nintendo, but they want to work with a bigger canvas."
again with this stupid color thing, okay first off, i make my living with art, so i know a thing or two (but no more than that) about constricting yourself, nintendo isnt north korea, they didnt ban color, they just made a console that doesnt allow you to use as many brush types, art turns out better because of the TOOLS not the color, when doing a painting, i cant use a fan brush to do needle fine work, and yea, comparing the consoles, ps3/360 is liner brush, where as the wii is a 1 inch fanbrush, its more comfortable when i get a liner brush (because i work in fine lines) but restricting myself to larger brushes leads to some inventiveness on my part
you will NEVER get out of these stupid gritty space marine games until you force devs into a box, just look at games like word of goo, lost winds, that one shadow game i cant remember, etc, are they any less compelling or successful because they were painted with a wide brush?
"Do you get mad that Nintendo is shown in Toys R Us commercials that say "get the hottest toy brands today" along with Hannah Montana and Elmo or that Amazon shows Mario with Barbie and Bakugan"
um, no? i dont give a crap, just a few years ago they showed the same thing with the ps2, does that make the ps2 a kiddie console?
" I can see why a lot people find Nintendo fans obnoxious. Trying to force games on people that would be download games on a service like Steam."
wait, what?
"Half not knowing anything about technology or how advanced it's come. "
oh boy, so you think that every step out of the uncanny valley and every one into virtual reality is a step back in the technological timeline?
thats just unbelievable
@Shaanyboi
I liked your post except for this point,
"Frankly, the Wii doesn't offer, or rather, offer ENOUGH of what people who actively BUY GAMES want."
I have to completely disagree with you on this point. I have owned every Nintendo home console since the NES and I have purchased more software for my Wii then any other system aside from my SNES. (My Wii may pass it by the end of next year) I have enjoyed every Wii game I own aside from one.
But to each his own I guess.
I liked your post except for this point,
"Frankly, the Wii doesn't offer, or rather, offer ENOUGH of what people who actively BUY GAMES want."
I have to completely disagree with you on this point. I have owned every Nintendo home console since the NES and I have purchased more software for my Wii then any other system aside from my SNES. (My Wii may pass it by the end of next year) I have enjoyed every Wii game I own aside from one.
But to each his own I guess.
@Killasnipersz
Good comment. I appreciate it when people point out some things I may not have considered without having to resort to calling me a "Traitor to Nintendo", or just flat-out wrong for my thoughts on a subject.
Gamecube was... I don't know if PR killed that one. I think people were still stinging from the N64, Nintendo's general attitude and the fact that people buy Nintendo systems for Nintendo exclusive games, another problem the N64 fostered.
I'm sure that was a tough act to recover from.
Good comment. I appreciate it when people point out some things I may not have considered without having to resort to calling me a "Traitor to Nintendo", or just flat-out wrong for my thoughts on a subject.
Gamecube was... I don't know if PR killed that one. I think people were still stinging from the N64, Nintendo's general attitude and the fact that people buy Nintendo systems for Nintendo exclusive games, another problem the N64 fostered.
I'm sure that was a tough act to recover from.
@Adanac
Well yeah, I don't doubt you do. But those of us with a lot of Wii games... frankly, we have to realize we're the minority in the eyes of the game industry. If we weren't, we wouldn't have this problem of Wii games not selling.
Those that are considered the majority are the 360/PS3 owners, which includes myself as well. And frankly, what most, if not all, of them want is on the HD platforms. Awesome lineup of games, solid online components, etc.
Well yeah, I don't doubt you do. But those of us with a lot of Wii games... frankly, we have to realize we're the minority in the eyes of the game industry. If we weren't, we wouldn't have this problem of Wii games not selling.
Those that are considered the majority are the 360/PS3 owners, which includes myself as well. And frankly, what most, if not all, of them want is on the HD platforms. Awesome lineup of games, solid online components, etc.
hen it comes to games the DEVELOPER has to use what the console can. We all know Wii can't do HD and has motion controlls so the not-lazy developers actuall use that as an advantage. Capcom can push graphics (MH3), others can use the controlls and some even both... But the lazy developers.... Now that's a different story. There are truly many crap games on the system. But why purchase lazy developed crap games when you can purchase the good ones? And to everyone who says that there is nothing but crap games on the Wii: TRY THE GAMES!!!!!
@Shaanyboi
"If we weren't, we wouldn't have this problem of Wii games not selling"
no, look, i dont see why nobody gets this
its all politics, nintendo isnt screwing anyone over, they are delivering, games sell, but the other people want you to think that they dont
they want you to think that nintendo is some lame old company, that belongs in the old times, and while they make advancements that are all appearance and no value, nintendo makes advancements that actually affect the gaming world positively.
but the other side, knowing that continued exposure of such progress will doom them, attempt to stop nintendo in its tracks, by using the stupidly loyal meat head "hardcorz" population against nintendo, to paint a bad light, and force them favorability loss.
its all politics, it always will be, because as long as there are two sides to a story, this will happen
look at US politics, its the same damn thing, and in 10 years, it will still be the same damn thing, and 1000 years ago, it was the same damn thing, its just human nature, doesnt mean they arent wrong, just means its what happens
and THAT is why these arguments are useless, these "nintendo are dead" people are just spreading the propaganda fed to them by the vanity side of the industry
oh, thats a nice one, im keeping that, from now on, "HD consoles" are called "Vanity consoles" (not that i cant appreciate beauty, just that i hate when thats all someone/thing is about)
"If we weren't, we wouldn't have this problem of Wii games not selling"
no, look, i dont see why nobody gets this
its all politics, nintendo isnt screwing anyone over, they are delivering, games sell, but the other people want you to think that they dont
they want you to think that nintendo is some lame old company, that belongs in the old times, and while they make advancements that are all appearance and no value, nintendo makes advancements that actually affect the gaming world positively.
but the other side, knowing that continued exposure of such progress will doom them, attempt to stop nintendo in its tracks, by using the stupidly loyal meat head "hardcorz" population against nintendo, to paint a bad light, and force them favorability loss.
its all politics, it always will be, because as long as there are two sides to a story, this will happen
look at US politics, its the same damn thing, and in 10 years, it will still be the same damn thing, and 1000 years ago, it was the same damn thing, its just human nature, doesnt mean they arent wrong, just means its what happens
and THAT is why these arguments are useless, these "nintendo are dead" people are just spreading the propaganda fed to them by the vanity side of the industry
oh, thats a nice one, im keeping that, from now on, "HD consoles" are called "Vanity consoles" (not that i cant appreciate beauty, just that i hate when thats all someone/thing is about)
@Shaanyboi
Actually every game I own except for maybe Madworld has sold really well. (Most have sold over a million)
You actually believe the myth that Wii games don't sell? What are you basing this on attach rate? If so then this is flawed because of 2 points,
1 Attach rate doesn't include Wii Sports
2 Wii is the fastest growing console out there ergo there will be consumers who only have Wii Sports which makes their attach rate 0.
Actually every game I own except for maybe Madworld has sold really well. (Most have sold over a million)
You actually believe the myth that Wii games don't sell? What are you basing this on attach rate? If so then this is flawed because of 2 points,
1 Attach rate doesn't include Wii Sports
2 Wii is the fastest growing console out there ergo there will be consumers who only have Wii Sports which makes their attach rate 0.
@thedreadpirateguy
But it's true. People buy Nintendo systems for it Nintendo games. The same can't be said of Xbox and PlayStation first-party games, although people bought Xbox consoles for Halo and Gears of War.
Anyways, Xbox and PlayStation have a larger variety of third-party games simply because the majority of games sold on those systems are third-party.
But it's true. People buy Nintendo systems for it Nintendo games. The same can't be said of Xbox and PlayStation first-party games, although people bought Xbox consoles for Halo and Gears of War.
Anyways, Xbox and PlayStation have a larger variety of third-party games simply because the majority of games sold on those systems are third-party.
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