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"We had a lot of debate about that (the death pause). There were points in the project where there was no delay at all, but that wound up encouraging players to concentrate on themselves instead of the team. If there's that little stutter, that makes everyone say to each other 'Oh, nice, you screwed up!', and that's what I wanted to see." - Shigeru Miyamoto
When he says it like that, it definitely makes a lot of sense. I know that I hold up from running ahead when someone has died, all due to the death pause. I like working together as a team!
Miyamoto also once again touched upon the choice of two toads instead of other famous Nintendo characters for New Super Mario Bros. Wii...
"Mario and Luigi are the same as always, of course, and suggestions for the other two characters included Wario and Waluigi, Toad, and Princess Peach. The thing is that with Wario he'd need to have a fart attack, Peach would have to be able to fly with her skirt, and so on. With this game we wanted every character to play the same way."
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For another, he'll have a bunch of attacks that people will want in the game, like his coin throws, his shoulder charge, his hats and/or powerdowns.
Peach's flying abilities would have been interesting to explore when combined with powerups. In the case of it being possible, Daisy being a clone of Peach, ability-wise, wouldn't be a bad thing. Waluigi is a blank slate in terms of platformers, so they could do whatever they want with him.
Maybe for a new, "Super Mario Bros. 2," they can include the other 'famous characters' and explore their individual abilities. This game will sell gangbusters no doubt, which could prompt some R&D into that possibility.
Wario & Waluigi hate the Mario Bros. They are evil villains in the franchise. They wouldn't be working with Mario & Luigi to help save the Princess.
Not to mention Wario is way fatter and wouldn't fit in certain areas. Waluigi is much taller and wouldn't fit in certain areas as well.
Though, it's not bothered me at all, which I thought it was going to.
@Q_Mulative
Wario is playable in Super Mario 64 DS, and that didn't stop him.
And he had none of his special attacks in that game.
And I thought we had a baby Wario in a Yoshi game where he was a hero?
He's not a bad guy. He's just not really a good guy.
Like Buntaro said, real gamers should be mature enough to understand that the limitations of his powers would be so there were no advantages. Not everyone is GameFAQs users who won't buy the game because Wario can't shoulder charge in a Mario title, since it's a MARIO title, not a Wario title.
Miyamoto is wrong in that he needs to fart and that Peach needs to float (not to mention, they DID animate her dress to do that).
There was really no reason to not use Toad or Toadette, though. I don't get why Ala Gold and Bucken Berry were more relevant than those two.
And yeah, Waluigi is a blank slate. They could have used him for god knows what for.
@WiiFolder
Wario helped in SM64DS though, even if it was only because he wanted cake. I agree with what you said about their sizes though.
Why would Wario NEED a fart attack? That is just stupid.
Even if they -were- the 'evil villains of the franchise', which they aren't really, they're just stoogey mischievous nuts that like money (etc), your point still wouldn't stand in the way of their inclusion because EVIL VILLAINS TEAM UP WITH HEROES ALL THE TIME FOR ALL SORTS OF REASONS.
Not to mention it would also make for an interesting dichotomy and encourage players to good off with competitive play more, add a bit of meat to that aspect of the game.
thats honestly the first time I have seen that suggested, and it is an awesome idea. Awesome.
@WiiFolder
And yeah, that too (the body proportions part I mean; as far as them being "villains", look no further than Super Mario 64 DS).
Of course, it would've been better to just have one Toad and then introduce a brand NEW character for player 4 (the bros' long-lost father, Giovanni, for example
@Astram
Or that, I can't believe they didn't think to do that.
Except for the fact that you ignore that they could easily make Wario/Waluigi help Mario & Luigi through use of a voiceless story scene where they just joined them.
Or not even explain it at all, since it doesn't need explaining.
I mean, you're saying they would never help the Mario Bros., but it's okay for us to accept that Bowser has helped Mario NUMEROUS TIMES.
And Wario helped Mario in Mario 64 DS (saving Peach), and as a baby, he helped Yoshi (saving Baby Luigi), so I don't see the problem here.
As for size, I am pretty sure they'd just resize them or the stages would have bigger gaps. This wouldn't be a problem.
This
@RustyCage
This
@Burgers
Actually, Super Mario Bros. 2 (US version) is the first time Luigi has his high flutter jump ability.
@asparrowgoose
This. Also, Wario didn't have a fart move in any of the Wario Land games. Come to think of it, I don't know where that fart move came from.
He would have been awesome in the game, I would have loved to screw my friends around with him!
God you guys really are dense. Do you honestly think that's a sincere statement (from Miyamoto)? It's not. Of course Wario doesn't need a fart attack. He's exaggerating. When is Miyamoto not joking in interviews?
Do you remember when he got asked why New Super Mario Bros. Wii wasn't a WiiWare title, and his response was "but then you wouldn't get this lovely red box!"
Come on guys.
Miyamoto can cite whatever ridiculous excuse he wants to for not including Wario, Peach, etc.? But Toad? Seriously? I'd rather have that specific little guy as a choice than two generic characters.
@MoldyClay
@Burgers
@RustyCage
Valid points.
still, amazing game!
THIS and a thousand times THIS...
I'm perfectly fine with Peach not being a playable character since the story is you have to rescue her.. But to come up with a bogus excuse like she would have to fly or Wario needing a specific attack when Mario and Luigi behave the exact same way is almost insulting to people's inteligence..
Sorry Miyamoto.. Just coming out and saying that Wario/Waluigi and the Mario Bros. are not friends would've made a lot more sense.
Surely Toad and Toadette would simply have been a palette swap of the other two anyway [thus serving not much point again]?
It wouldn't have got everyone abilities [alike SM2 and the like].
Don't see why characters like Peach and Wario couldn't have been playable in the non-story modes, if they'd wanted them to be, though.
I think that despite there diffences that the mario brothers and the wario bros could have a truce after all wario and waluigi are mario and luigi's cousins* that's gotta count for something...
*I read somewhere they were but this info maybe false, I don't know.
*self facepalm*
HOW THE HELL DIDN'T WE THINK OF THIS!? It would make a lot more sense than two toads! At least we could have our faces in a Mario game!
*sigh* WHY didn't you think of this, Miyamoto-san?
*Mega yawn*
... Let's just face it, people would still be complaining regardless of Miyamoto/Nintendo's choice of characters.
Have you played through the game? There are tons of areas where a fat character or a character who is too tall would not work and it would mean the ENTIRE game is messed up.
The Toads work perfectly fine. I haven't played with a single person who found them odd or out of place. I've played the game with like 8 people as of now.
as for luigi's 'abilities' that's easy... the smash bros games aren't cannon, so his abilities there don't count, and Super Mario 2 was a DREAM. Luigi's flutter jump has only appeared on one other game--the GBA REMAKE of Mario World, but was removed for the remake of Mario 3. His flutter jump doesn't really exist.
I know I'm in the minority, but I really like the Toads... I would rather play as one!
That's a good idea but like Wiifolder has been saying characters with different physiques will have problems in this game.
they handled the co-op stuff so totally wrong, that it's not even funny.
1) there are people like me who wont be able to use it at all
2) the play only as mario in the solo part is retarded.
it would have been "fun" to have them ALL do different things, and let the player chose who to play with, play with 4 marios, play with 4 different. it doesn't matter. have wario smack into people, have mario and luigi be almost the same, the toads etc. but let the player pick who and how to play.
And you shouldn't read so obviously jokingly comments like shooo(conveniently) seriously
The reason he gave for Wario is bull, though.
The game and level design challenges introduced by trying to create a four player co-op gameplay experience where each character moves/behaves differently are tremendous. Really, consider the challenge of trying to design levels that play enjoyably for up to four players on the same screen at once, each character controlling differently from the other. Furthermore, the situation would surely arise where multiple players want to play as the same character to get that character's special attack/move/etc.
But if all players handle the same way, none of this is a problem. Every player is guaranteed the same gameplay experience, and nobody has an advantage or disadvantage from one level to the next.
I believe they made the correct design decision, and it certainly seems that many who have played the game agree that the game is very fun.
If Wario and Waluigi were in the game those paths that are too narrow wouldn't be too narrow because they would have been made to fit the two of them.
Even without Wario and Waluigi, there was no excuse not to use Toad and Toadette, two established characters rather than "Blue Toad" and "Yellow Toad".
And while you may have not played with anyone who sees the generic Toads as odd choices, there are plenty of people that do.
You're also ignoring everyone who said Wario was playable in Super Mario 64 DS (saving Peach) and helped Yoshi is Yoshi's Island DS (saving Baby Luigi). Wario could have been included no problem, Miyamoto is just making excuses. "He'd have to fart?" Really? Wario got by just fine without ever farting before Brawl. Hell, he didn't even have a fart attack in Wario Land: Shake It!
He'd have to fart indeed. The Peach thing is also pretty bogus.
But, whatever, the game is still a lot of fun.
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