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WesFX
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February 8, 2010 by The News Team
Filed Under: DS, Wii, Nintendo in general
"Nintendo Australia is always pushing for games to be released here at the same time as the rest of the world, so we were pleased to get New Super Mario Bros. Wii before anyone else. Unfortunately, due to to the actions of this individual, future release dates may be affected for Australia, which is disappointing for us." - Nintendo of Australia spokesperson
Ouch...that really hurts the Aussie gamers out there. Normally you would chalk a statement like this up to a bluff, but with Nintendo you know that it could be the real deal. This is a real shame...just when Australia was getting things ironed out with their releases. Thanks to Vooks for the heads up!
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God damn. This guy better hope he gets name suppression - there's going to be a lot of angry gamers.
I've heard that games in Australia are a lot more expensive than anywhere else in the world, is this true?
Really? Your really going to blame pirates for release dates in a country whose censorship laws are so strict that they recently made it illegal to own pornography with small breasted women in it? Or a country that demands that most M rated games have to be censored to the umpteenth power to be released (ala L4D2)?
Stop picking pirates as the damn scapegoat for everything. Is what they do wrong? To an extent, yes. Are they the cause for world hunger? No.
Stop picking pirates as the damn scapegoat for everything. Is what they do wrong? To an extent, yes. Are they the cause for world hunger? No.
@Roflinator
Other than in some parts of South America, pretty much.
anywhos, just release the games on the same day instead of beforehand, then. less lost purchases that way.
@Weasler
Although if they all got together and payed the fines they owe, they could certainly put an end to world hunger. lolz
Other than in some parts of South America, pretty much.
anywhos, just release the games on the same day instead of beforehand, then. less lost purchases that way.
@Weasler
Although if they all got together and payed the fines they owe, they could certainly put an end to world hunger. lolz
In any case, piracy seriously needs to stop. You like a game? Then pay money for it.
I wonder how all the people who thought the fine was unwarranted feel now?
Still think what this guy did wasn't so bad?
Still think what this guy did wasn't so bad?
@WesFX
Hey, you're pretty good at twisting words. You gotta show me how sometime! (I'm being totally sarcastic, I'm actually very good at it myself.)
I, personally, wasn't arguing that what the guy did wasn't bad (as I had reasserted numerous times to avoid replies like these), but that the punishment wasn't proportional to the amount of damage he did.
Hey, you're pretty good at twisting words. You gotta show me how sometime! (I'm being totally sarcastic, I'm actually very good at it myself.)
I, personally, wasn't arguing that what the guy did wasn't bad (as I had reasserted numerous times to avoid replies like these), but that the punishment wasn't proportional to the amount of damage he did.
WesFX
I still think the $1.5 million is way too much money for what the guy did. Australia, like Weasler mentioned, has strict censorship and their game prices are high. I think they have more important problems to worry about than piracy.
With crazy Australia censorship and prices, and apparently release dates, how can you blame anyone for turning to piracy?
But whatever. What the guy did was illegal, so screw him. At least he and others like him might be ruining it for everybody in the process.
I still think the $1.5 million is way too much money for what the guy did. Australia, like Weasler mentioned, has strict censorship and their game prices are high. I think they have more important problems to worry about than piracy.
With crazy Australia censorship and prices, and apparently release dates, how can you blame anyone for turning to piracy?
But whatever. What the guy did was illegal, so screw him. At least he and others like him might be ruining it for everybody in the process.
And this is why I'll probably never go live in Australia. Because while the country itself seems like a great place, the games cost a bundle and the censorship is a drag.
@Darth
You have the right to be defensive. But maybe I wasn't even talking about you.
His punishment isn't proportional to the amount of damage he did; it's probably less than the cost of all the illegal downloads, actually, considering how many times it was downloaded (I don't know the number) and the different prices the game might see in different areas (I don't know those numbers, either).
Also, @ the censorship thing, Japan can't show uncensored wangs. What's the reason? I don't care, it's annoying. Point is, every society is different, and looking at it from the outside is probably unfair.
You have the right to be defensive. But maybe I wasn't even talking about you.
His punishment isn't proportional to the amount of damage he did; it's probably less than the cost of all the illegal downloads, actually, considering how many times it was downloaded (I don't know the number) and the different prices the game might see in different areas (I don't know those numbers, either).
Also, @ the censorship thing, Japan can't show uncensored wangs. What's the reason? I don't care, it's annoying. Point is, every society is different, and looking at it from the outside is probably unfair.
And as we all know, he is the source of all of the illegal downloads.
Not to mention the fact that every single person who pirated the game would have willingly payed for it had he not uploaded it to begin with.
A pretty large amount of people did pirate this game, and dude deserved to be punished, but I'm not exactly sure his upload made it to as many people as some of y'all would theorize, given the fact that multiple release groups (as well as dozens of regular ol' pirates) uploaded this game as soon as they could get their grubs on it.
And dude, trust me, as far as censorship goes, Australia is absolutely batshit on a level no other country will ever reach.
maybe not even china.
Not to mention the fact that every single person who pirated the game would have willingly payed for it had he not uploaded it to begin with.
A pretty large amount of people did pirate this game, and dude deserved to be punished, but I'm not exactly sure his upload made it to as many people as some of y'all would theorize, given the fact that multiple release groups (as well as dozens of regular ol' pirates) uploaded this game as soon as they could get their grubs on it.
And dude, trust me, as far as censorship goes, Australia is absolutely batshit on a level no other country will ever reach.
maybe not even china.
*sigh* Straight people and their titty obsession.
Feel free to name some examples of their absurdity, besides the small breast thing.
Feel free to name some examples of their absurdity, besides the small breast thing.
Wes, if you think that's all it is then you need to lurk more.
Search 'Australia' on Joystiq or Kotaku if you want some details on just about every game that's ever been denied classification in Australia (see, the government over there doesn't like the idea of an 18+ rating because apparently, people can't think for themselves and will repeat everything they see on TV or in games or something), or if you do a little digging on news sites or google, you can find examples of the Australian Prime Minister's weird ass, almost draconian policies on everything ever (especially media in all of its forms).
also, tits are cool yo. don't hate.
Search 'Australia' on Joystiq or Kotaku if you want some details on just about every game that's ever been denied classification in Australia (see, the government over there doesn't like the idea of an 18+ rating because apparently, people can't think for themselves and will repeat everything they see on TV or in games or something), or if you do a little digging on news sites or google, you can find examples of the Australian Prime Minister's weird ass, almost draconian policies on everything ever (especially media in all of its forms).
also, tits are cool yo. don't hate.
It's not Nintendo's problem to take into account what limitation and laws regarding censorship that the Australian government chooses to self impose on itself. Nintendo is in the business of making games and profiting off of said games just like any other developer involved in the business, not politics and writing policy for Australia to allow better and fairer distribution of games.
It really is too bad that this douchebag did what he did because Nintendo is one of the few game makers who doesn't make games subject to Australia's crazy censorship becuase the majority of their games are E to Teen and now the Aussies possibly won't even have Nintendo's games as soon or at all compared to before this. Australia has alot of things that they need to work out when it comes to videogames and the entertainment sector in general though that's for sure.
It really is too bad that this douchebag did what he did because Nintendo is one of the few game makers who doesn't make games subject to Australia's crazy censorship becuase the majority of their games are E to Teen and now the Aussies possibly won't even have Nintendo's games as soon or at all compared to before this. Australia has alot of things that they need to work out when it comes to videogames and the entertainment sector in general though that's for sure.
That's stupid.
One of the reasons I pirate games are because of release dates - I don't like to wait.
When Super Smash Bros Brawl is released in the US on March 9, and there's no release date set for Europe (turned out to be June 27), of course I'm going to pirate the frickin' game!
1. Don't make me wait
2. Make the customers feel like they're getting extra value by buying the stuff
3. Stop treating your customers like criminals
4. Don't make it so that the pirated version is better than the legit one (i.e., most DRM schemes -- annoying for legitimate users, not a problem for pirates once someone cracks it)
One of the reasons I pirate games are because of release dates - I don't like to wait.
When Super Smash Bros Brawl is released in the US on March 9, and there's no release date set for Europe (turned out to be June 27), of course I'm going to pirate the frickin' game!
1. Don't make me wait
2. Make the customers feel like they're getting extra value by buying the stuff
3. Stop treating your customers like criminals
4. Don't make it so that the pirated version is better than the legit one (i.e., most DRM schemes -- annoying for legitimate users, not a problem for pirates once someone cracks it)
Gonna play devil's advocate here
@GenericNickname
1. If you are forced to wait, do you still end up buying the product at some point?
2. Why do you need extra incentive to go out and purchase the product?
3. This one is just too obvious.
4. Irrelevant in the console arena
@GenericNickname
1. If you are forced to wait, do you still end up buying the product at some point?
2. Why do you need extra incentive to go out and purchase the product?
3. This one is just too obvious.
4. Irrelevant in the console arena
I'd say the recommended retail prices in Australia are an absolute joke, but it doesn't take too long for that high figure to come down to US standards. Retail stores know that people will pay whatever is asked on day one, so that's where they put them.
And unfortunately, Nintendo keeps their RRP prices pretty damn high because their product keeps flying off the shelves.
But if you do your research, you will end up paying equal to or even less than other countries for games.
And unfortunately, Nintendo keeps their RRP prices pretty damn high because their product keeps flying off the shelves.
But if you do your research, you will end up paying equal to or even less than other countries for games.
@Totodile
Oh wow...D: I feel bad for Australian gamers. When did this price bullcrap happened?
Oh wow...D: I feel bad for Australian gamers. When did this price bullcrap happened?
@Roflinator
It's been like that as long as I can remember.
@Darth Vader
In Statement 3, GenericNickname means that if you import bannedgames, you're basically a criminal in Australia.
It's been like that as long as I can remember.
@Darth Vader
In Statement 3, GenericNickname means that if you import bannedgames, you're basically a criminal in Australia.
So... it's just Australia having to pirate the earlier European version instead of opposite? What difference does it make to Nintendo?
too bad... unfortunately for Nintendo, this will back fire. People wanting to play the game sooner will inevitably download it. They need to be smarter and not "punish" their customers...
BUT, they must keep a steady pace punishing the real criminals! keep searching for the people pirating your games Nintendo!
BUT, they must keep a steady pace punishing the real criminals! keep searching for the people pirating your games Nintendo!
I'm surprised GenericNickname ist the only one who brought this up:
- If Europe and AUS didn't have to wait weeks or MONTHS until a game finally comes out, there would be less pirating in those areas. And, OF COURSE, the motivation of paying 70 $ for something you finished 3 months ago is quite low.
Blaming pirates for GREATER game delays in Australia has to be the most ridiculous thing I've ever heard. Try the other way around, Nintendo!
- If Europe and AUS didn't have to wait weeks or MONTHS until a game finally comes out, there would be less pirating in those areas. And, OF COURSE, the motivation of paying 70 $ for something you finished 3 months ago is quite low.
Blaming pirates for GREATER game delays in Australia has to be the most ridiculous thing I've ever heard. Try the other way around, Nintendo!
Nintendo of Australia is using this as an excuse to be even more pathetic. The whole thing; a big fat publicity stunt.
Ways NCL could have damaged controlled:
-Not let Nintendo Australia send the game out to retailers weeks early on trusting them to do the right thing (this is the bit to blame Nintendo Australia for, there would be no early leak if it wasn't for this)
-Made the game larger than 400MB (even with dial-up that is downloadable)
-Made the BCA protection well...good?
Still remember a few years ago when Super Mario Galaxy got leaked? It was due to Nintendo America giving out the final game as kiosk demos for Gamestop. The result of that...erm, NoA stopped releasing gam*...I've not heard of any more Wii game demo kiosks.
*-Actually, that is a pretty good one (Disaster, Trace Memory)
Ways NCL could have damaged controlled:
-Not let Nintendo Australia send the game out to retailers weeks early on trusting them to do the right thing (this is the bit to blame Nintendo Australia for, there would be no early leak if it wasn't for this)
-Made the game larger than 400MB (even with dial-up that is downloadable)
-Made the BCA protection well...good?
Still remember a few years ago when Super Mario Galaxy got leaked? It was due to Nintendo America giving out the final game as kiosk demos for Gamestop. The result of that...erm, NoA stopped releasing gam*...I've not heard of any more Wii game demo kiosks.
*-Actually, that is a pretty good one (Disaster, Trace Memory)
That is absolute bullshit, Nintendo. That really, really makes no sense at all. Is that supposed to stop people from downloading your games or something? I'm lost for words, here.
As for the Australian retail price of games, that's a whole different load of horse s*** The Australian dollar last I heard was worth a little under 90 us cents. The retail price of a game? New, popular games that they know will sell can now fetch as much as $120. You'll be lucky to find those same games for less than $100 dollars in the *used* section, even a few months later. Why every game store has decided to become a shameless rapist in recent years I do not know.
There's never been a better time to start downloading.
As for the Australian retail price of games, that's a whole different load of horse s*** The Australian dollar last I heard was worth a little under 90 us cents. The retail price of a game? New, popular games that they know will sell can now fetch as much as $120. You'll be lucky to find those same games for less than $100 dollars in the *used* section, even a few months later. Why every game store has decided to become a shameless rapist in recent years I do not know.
There's never been a better time to start downloading.
Brilliant.
Make Aussie gamers wait longer so they'll pirate more.
Also: Game pirates are the cause of all the world's wars.
Make Aussie gamers wait longer so they'll pirate more.
Also: Game pirates are the cause of all the world's wars.
@Weasler
its illegal to have flat chested chick porn?
really? whats the reasoning behind it? (inb4australianeedsnoreason)
its illegal to have flat chested chick porn?
really? whats the reasoning behind it? (inb4australianeedsnoreason)
Oh okay. It's pirates. It couldn't possible be just another lame excuse for the high prices and the fact that pretty much everything gets released last Down Under. No wonder people start pirating.
Australia seems really fudged up at the moment, when it comes to games that is.
@Weasler
What? I did not know it was illegal to have flat chested chick porn.... Gotta start cleaning up that library of mine!
What? I did not know it was illegal to have flat chested chick porn.... Gotta start cleaning up that library of mine!
Oh, I see. Now this can be Nintendo Australia's go to excuse when a game releases here 6 months late. Bravo, Nintendo. Bravo.
*continues importing*
*continues importing*
This just in: Nintendo of Australia is just plain incompetent.
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if we go back to seeing titles being released months after the rest of the world, I will be pissed