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Yesterday, Mark Rein made some statements concerning the Wii, and they caused quite an uproar. Today he makes some more comments to try and smooth things over.
“The kind of games we make just would not work well on Wii. With our high-end engine, making a game work on Wii would spread our resources too thin and cause us to lose focus. Hardcore games have been hit or miss on Wii. Some have done well, some have not and we would not expect Gears or any of our games to sell well on the system. Games like Madden are great, especially since the developer designed a user interface specifically for Wii, but again, doing something like that would take up resources we are using to make other titles. Again, I never said making games for Wii was a waste. There are some great games for it, but it’s just not for us.” - Mark Rein
Just for giggles, let's look at what Mark Rein said about Madden just yesterday...
“(on third parties making core games for Wii) And they've been huge financial flops... It's just not where the market is. Look at EA. Do you see the same Madden game on Wii? Of course not – it's a dumbed down game.”
Hmm...that sounds a bit different from the statement he made today! Which one are we to believe?
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The only thing I'm to believe is the guy is an opportunistic douche who must have realized how bridge-burning and mean-spirited his lame baseless comments were and now he is attempting lamely to cover his rear.
Why would he care what Nintendo fans think?
It's more that likely somebody at EA made an angry phone call asking him to stop undermining their Wii projects, since they're making fat cash on the platform. EA's an Unreal Engine customer, and the customer is always right.
If he doesn't develop for Nintendo platforms why would he care what Nintendo fans thought of him?
The Duck Has Spoken.
Anyways, it looks like classic PR whiplash. If he would just stick to his guns, I would respectfully and understandably disagree. However, flip-flopping like this just makes you look like a corporate tool.
@WiiLikeSportz
My bad. Seeing RMC talk about him on a Nintendo site confused my brain. And you know, the last story's comment section... But yea, I should be more professional with my trolling.
@PsychoDuck
@necrolord
Exactly!
"I hate dogs, they always bark."
"One good thing about dogs is how they bark, I love that."
"Goshdarned barking dogs!"
"While dogs are not for me, at least they do bark, which is a good thing."
"We will never have a dog because they bark."
"Maybe someday, who knows, we will have a dog. They do bark, after all."
Mark Rein is a douche and a fanboy. I don't think any Wii owner would like to see Gears on the system.
But gears 2 is about 'loss and redemption!' those two themes are FUN TO PLAY IN GAME FORM!
lol
I want to experience the THRILLING ADULT MATURE STORY MADE BY A MASTER STORYTELLER, WITH BRILLIANT GAMEPLAY TO BOOT!
NO, wait, I -don't-
Oh yes I do. But i never would. But I WILL!
I have been infected by this man's schism.
Maybe I wouldn't want Gears, but I would like a few more ambitious projects developed for the Wii to compensate for all the game droughts I experienced after I decided to get a Wii.
You might be asking "what is an average gamer?". Quite simple, it was one of the words we used to describe people who were new to gaming, or didn't take it serious. It wasn't until this gen when gaming companies had to explain away the Wii success, that we see the terms "casual" and "hardcore" butchered.
"He hasn't said anything that isn't true,"
He implied more than once that "hardcore" games can't succeed on the Wii, when all we have gotten were shovelware and niche titles that were destined to sell poorly. He's using the same old fallacy "3rd Parties can't compete with Nintendo on their consoles".
"Can people stop being outraged and just let a guy have his opinion? "
He's a major person from Epic. He's not entitled to state his "opinion"; stating your opinion, when it pisses off potential customers, tends to get the execs upset, and when they upset you get upset.
You're in for a treat then! Denise Kaigler is gonna answer our questions for us.
And yet every title that isn't selling well is being classified as niche. I'm getting tired of it.
Guys get over it. This Mark Rain is getting paid to talk BS.
I have to agree with you. Wii owners cry for hardcore games, yet they just refuse to buy them when 3rd party developers continue to try to give them what they want: "hardcore" titles. Hypocrisy all around if you ask me.
In short, I agree with Mark Rein when he says 3rd party titles flop because Wii owners cry for "hardcore" titles but all they want are 1st party titles which to me a bunch of them are not that great. Yes, I am looking at you Galaxy.
Oh boy, I can't wait to hear her dance around giving any real answers. Her toothy smile will make up for it though!
As you can see from his statement he talks in a very blunt way. Saying that Madden for Wii is a dumbed down version means that it's an inferior version of its HD counterparts.
*sigh*.. alarmists in here.
Yeah, but do you really think any games that sold poorly on the Wii would sell well on the 360? How about games that sold poorly on the 360 that would sell more on the Wii? I would argue that there are mounds more of the latter and maybe one of the former (there has to be one). If these games couldn't sell on any console, then they are pretty much niche.
I wouldn't stick to that argument much tough.. I mean, it's imposible that any Wii game that gets ported to 360 or PS3 would even be the same game.
Any Wii game that gets ported to an HD console will be short on content and other aspects, so if 360/PS3 owners weight in comparison to a similar game of the same genre I think they will always go with their system's version.
I just think it's innacurate to use that analogy.
very good point. I dont see epic making anything for Nintendo(even with wiihd) and im totally fine with that. We dont need epic. Its funny to see him doing damage controle a day after though. What a fanboy. Your supposed to be a professional, not a 12 year old school kid.
NeroSuferoth
say hello to Tiger woods 10 and NHL 2K 10. Both have everything the 360/ps3 versions have along with motion plus on top of that. Which in my opnion makes both of them better than their HD counterparts.
You argued Crystal Bearers was cancelled for a year! I want my cookie/cake/etc!
lol j/k
We would never have guessed then that the reason we didn't hear about it for so long was was they didn't start developing it until after they announced it! I fully understand why you thought it was cancelled.
I can respect someone standing by an opinion (no matter how much I disagree with it), but going back like this is weak.
I would just say 'What kind of slippers do you most like?'
Not everybody has to love the Wii, and all, but loss and redemption man, loss and redemption.
Slippers being that he slips his words all the time? Is that what you mean by loss and redemption?
Works at Epic games, they make Gears of War and the Unreal engine used in a lot of games.
It's not perfect, but I still think it's ok. I mean, one example people use of good core games failing is Okami, and it failed on the PS2. Mad World hasn't done well on the Wii just like God Hand did poorly on the PS2. They aren't exactly the same game, yes, but they are very compareable. There's nothing stopping Wii developers from putting more effort into their games to make them games that even 360 core gamers would appreciate, that's my main point. If it wouldn't sell under normal conditions on a more popular system like the PS2 or a guessed core gamer heavy system like the 360, I just don't see why it should do extremely well on the Wii.
But yeah, that's just my opinion.
He's so stupid.
sure the guy is a douche, but at least I thought he was a douche with the integrity to stand by his convictions.
cut the politically correct crap already.
Epic Games are overrated, they are not exactly Crytek now are they? The Wii has proven that it can use the same effects that HD consoles can (and dare I say even Gamecube titles did!), I consider this man to be backing out of a challenge.
Point at MadWorld for a core game failing all you want, all I know is...
God Hand (PS2) LTD sales = 70,000
MadWorld (Wii) LTD sales = 250,000 and counting, and didn't even release in Germany and Japan.
The only so-called "hardcore" Wii games that failed were Rail Shooters, (not that many people are into them) badly advertised games like Deadly Creatures, and stuff that's just a bit too bloody for most peoples taste like Madworld.
The Conduit was brilliantly advertised, and was in no way half-assed, so it's selling incredibly well.
Oh well.
just sayin'
" I consider this man to be backing out of a challenge."
Honestly, This man wouldn't know what a challenge was if it bit him on the ass.He seriously seems like the "path of least resistance" type.
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