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Fire Emblem Fates - petting mini-game removed

Coming from a Nintendo rep...

“Yes, that is the case [that petting isn’t in the English version]. You might have heard somewhat misinterpreted or exaggerated information about the Japanese original game, but even in the Japanese original version, we have not included any features which are considered inappropriate in Japan.”

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c_canberg
Tue Jan 26 16 02:52pm
Rating: 9

Holy.....

It's not censorship. It's localization by the same company who made the game in the first place!

If you truly cannot support your deranged definition of censorship, then do some research towards the games Nintendo's put out in the past before and after they were localized and realize how much of a hypocrite you've been for years.

Things change for cultural reasons. Things change for religious reasons. Things change because directors and companies think a certain aspect would be received better in a game.

I'm sick of people screaming "boo urns sensorschippe!!!!" as soon as one thing is changed. The main experience is not hindered by this removal by any means. Incredibly petty if you or anybody choose not to buy to avenge one (honestly) eerily creepy subgame.

inb4 gonintendo completely goes crazy ^^

This is ridiculous. The mini-game is sophomoric and stupid but on principle I cannot support censorship. And I know I'm not the only one.

NoA lost many sales today....

tendonin
Tue Jan 26 16 02:51pm
Rating: 1 (Updated 1 time)

Start with the base audience for this game.

Then remove the percentage that doesn't keep up with minor details like this.

Then remove the percentage that isn't actually bothered by this news.

Then remove the percentage that isn't bothered enough to boycott the game on mere "principle".

Then compare that population to the potential population that would be lost due to the publicity of this feature and/or the hassle of receiving an M rating.

I'm guessing that makes for more sales, not less.

It wouldn't receive an M-rating, though. It doesn't meet the criteria for that.

I'm not the ESRB, but the idea of Nintendo being cautious in that regard in nothing remarkable.

That's a fair point and I won't I was surprised when I heard the news but I will say I'm severely disappointed in Nintendo. They have been going downhill for some time now.

c_canberg
Tue Jan 26 16 02:52pm
Rating: 9

Holy.....

It's not censorship. It's localization by the same company who made the game in the first place!

If you truly cannot support your deranged definition of censorship, then do some research towards the games Nintendo's put out in the past before and after they were localized and realize how much of a hypocrite you've been for years.

Things change for cultural reasons. Things change for religious reasons. Things change because directors and companies think a certain aspect would be received better in a game.

I'm sick of people screaming "boo urns sensorschippe!!!!" as soon as one thing is changed. The main experience is not hindered by this removal by any means. Incredibly petty if you or anybody choose not to buy to avenge one (honestly) eerily creepy subgame.

http://www.merriam-webster.com/dictionary/censoring
": a person who examines books, movies, letters, etc., and removes things that are considered to be offensive, immoral, harmful to society, etc."

It is literal censorship. Localization would be making jokes make sense.

And NoA is not Intelligent Systems. It is NOT localized by the same company that made it in the first place. Don't say it is. That is lie and you know it.

And ignorance does not a hypocrite make.

And I never said I liked the minigame. I even said it was sophomoric and stupid. I just despise censorship. No good can come from it.

nickd80
Tue Jan 26 16 02:58pm
Rating: 1

Ummmm...good did come from it. We don't have to play this sophmoroic and stupid minigame now...

You never had to play it in the first place. It was always optional.

It doesn't change the fact that this minigame could do nothing but make the game worse. I would of done it once to laugh at it, that is not a great feature to have in a game. The game was improved as it now removes a major thing that most reviews would probably dock the game points for.

By that definition every artist can be called a censor. Most look at their work and change things that could be considered bad and offensive.

NoA and Intelligent Systems answer to the same company. It's like writing an article for a newspaper and having changes made in the editor's room. It's called editing.

I took too long proofing my post and you beat me to it. EDITING is the key word here.

Then some people are getting it unfiltered and others are getting a kiddie version because they can't handle it?

c_canberg
Tue Jan 26 16 03:56pm
Rating: 1

Censorship by literal definition still does not change the fact that this was joint decision by publisher and developer because the feature wasn't even received well in Japan. The very act of localization is not censorship, but appropriation of the experience between regions. Therefore, this is editing, not censorship. Yes Nintendo of America is not Intelligent Systems, but also don't act like there isn't consulting between regions.

Fair enough about ignorance does not a hypocrite make, but why bite your nose to spite your face? Why stop playing these games now?? If you've done it for so long and were completely unaware of any harm it may do (none) then why go on the boycotting train now? Especially for the removal of a feature you not only didn't like, but agree that it's meandering and creepy. Principle is a justified reasoning in other mediums, but in entertainment it's vein. And especially with this minigame, the overall consensus is that it was bad.

I think people misjudge editing in order to make a product more approachable as outright censorship when it's not the case.

It is, as we already discussed,. by definition 'censorship.'

How is boycotting not justified in entertainment?

And they never censored them to the extent that they were doing now.

Localization is making sure the jokes and dialogue to the audience. Removing entire features from a game is censorship. Especially removing features that could hinder the progression in the game

1) It clearly won't if it's optional.

2) If it did to a noticeable enough extent, they'd replace it with something.

Yeah, all the teens here are going to lose their minds that wanted to pet women.

It was technically equal opportunity petting, but it was still weird.

I think this is a fine change. The minigame made absolutely no sense because who pets people? It just seemed out of place and got bad press, just like the weird drugging scene. I think this is a fine change. If feedback from JP fans was "this is really weird, why is it here?" they might as well fix up the content.

I would actually need to see the people's reactions. Otherwise it's hearsay.

Yep, totally the PC boogeyman's fault.

It wouldn't make the game M-rated. It was already going to be T.

My one friend is gonna lose her shit when she finds out she can't pet her Husbando.

yomerodes
Tue Jan 26 16 04:08pm
(Updated 1 time)

Ridiculous! Everyone knows this minigame was just going to be enjoyed by teenage horny kids... everyone else should be celebrating NOA wisdom and dedication to common decency.

Yeah, I think people underestimate the bishounen and yaoi fangirls. XD

Well there's your first problem, making Fire Emblem into a Waifu/Husbando Simulator. It's honestly a joke.

I didn't think that removing it was necessary, but oh well.

artten
Tue Jan 26 16 02:55pm
(Updated 1 time)

So, localization isn't censorship they said! Okay after this I challenge anyone on this forum or from NOA to justify that this isn't censorship, because I'll believe you <==(said with sneering sarcasm) even though the rest of the world will not!

It's totally censorship. People create arbitrary lines to try to separate the two.

Sometimes they are separate but not in this case.

Absolutely agree with you, this is to blatantly obvious to be anything but censorship. This is why I'm starting to really hate Nintendo of America.

Sad to see that we seem to be the few people here who appreciate freedom of thought and expression. Other people are saying it's literally "harmful." Straight outta 1984.

Yes, your not kidding, someone needs to tell them that book was a warning! Not a God damn user manual.
And I also find it a very sad state of affairs, that so few people are anti-censorship on this forum, as I want these developers to be able to express themselves how they wish, as I would wish to express myself, without sanctimonious condemnation from puritanical self righteous know it all's. But at least there's a couple of us, and that is a small mercy in and of itself.

You know of any alternatives? A Nintendo-fansite that promotes free speech and is anti-censorship? I get insulted and slandered a lot here and no one ever does anything about it.

I can point you in the direction of some highly anti-censorship sites, but there not Nintendo exclusive, and some of the commentators in their forums can be a little anti-Nintendo at times, because of the issues treehouse causes, there is also a couple of other Nintendo focus websites, but they comment section and forums do come across as a little empty, but they do seem relatively reasonable.

Sure. What are they?

nurio
Wed Jan 27 16 07:15am
Rating: 1

Please don't let a vocal minority ruin this site for you. There are still plenty of good people here, but they generally don't speak up. In general people don't respond when they agree, since there is often very little to add. I find myself in such a situation where I wish I could contribute, but everything I wanted to say has already been said by you (and others).
That's why I'm thankful for the recently added upvote feature. If you look at the top of the comment section, you'll see that your post has been upvoted the most. That means that the majority of people agrees with you, but they simply don't speak up for various reasons.

I'm tired of being called a homophobe and pedophile, though and nothing being done about it. Slander is not protected under free speech.

Hm, I've been called the same. I've been called many things too and nothing much is being done about that. Or so it appears. I did have a talk with Cortjezter, and they apparently do take note, but banning someone outright for (harsh) namecalling once wasn't the solution. At least, that's how I remember interpreting his answer.

nurio
Wed Jan 27 16 07:16am
Rating: 1

I have very little to add because most of what I wanted to say has already been said. But I wanted to reply nonetheless to show that I'm here still and I'm still as anti-censorship as I always was. Maybe you remember me from other articles about censorship/localization edits?

That's good to know and thank you for your supports.

What Nurio said. Sometimes I don't bother to say anything either because there's nothing to add (and I just saw this now, after everyone commented). I wish "likes" on comments were visible because unless you get the top comment (which you did) they're utterly useless for everyone else. I wasn't even sure they actually did anything.

On another note, this community is messed up. Sure it's censorship, not arguing there, but if you notice, at least here most Nintendo fans only complain when it's something romantic/sexual. Splatoon, a team-based game with no voice chat? Sure there's a few people angry, but more will just say, "meh, I didn't want to get yelled at by kids" (even though you have the option to turn it off). Or adding online multiplayer in a multiplayer game. But take a sexy costume out of a game? WOAH! NOW they'll make a sh*t fit and be rallied into a frenzy for something that virtually adds nothing to the game, whereas actual features like online and voice chat that are perfect for those games doesn't even get half a page of complaints.

Seriously look at this freaking thread. 90 comments of people crying about not petting their waifus. And then look at this thread (not sure if it's the first time no voice chat was mentioned but it's as close as I can find): http://www.gonintendo.com/stories/232975-ign-staffer-says-splatoon-s-lack-of-voice-chat-is-cheap-and-lazy

96 comments, yeah, some of it is attacking IGN (because Nintendo fans can't take criticism, Nintendo is perfect unless they say so. But more importantly, they're actually PRAISING Nintendo for not including a feature that's not just optional, but actually BENEFITS the game greatly. Or just, "Well it's Nintendo's decision and I can see why so it's okay." Oh but mess with their sexy costumes and waifus and suddenly it's full on RAGE MODE. Talk about a bunch of hypocrites. They're actually ruining Nintendo by doing this because "hey if our wants don't really want it, we won't bother making it", which will keep Nintendo stagnant and in the past because too many people will just be complacent or praise them for not further themselves.

nurio
Wed Jan 27 16 01:33pm
(Updated 1 time)

On another note, this community is messed up. Sure it's censorship, not arguing there, but if you notice, at least here most Nintendo fans only complain when it's something romantic/sexual. Splatoon, a team-based game with no voice chat? Sure there's a few people angry, but more will just say, "meh, I didn't want to get yelled at by kids" (even though you have the option to turn it off). Or adding online multiplayer in a multiplayer game. But take a sexy costume out of a game? WOAH! NOW they'll make a sh*t fit and be rallied into a frenzy for something that virtually adds nothing to the game, whereas actual features like online and voice chat that are perfect for those games doesn't even get half a page of complaints.
Well, to be fair, people are (or at least I am) opposed to censorship in general, whether it's something sexual or not. The thing with Splatoon wasn't something that was in the game and removed during localization. That was a conscious decision by the developers and they had a good reason for it. (Whether one agrees with the reason is a whole other point.)
People have been just as opposed against non-sexual censorship. It's just that most censorship is of the sexual kind. I remember when it was announced that Bravely Second will have the Tomohawk class replaced for the Cowboy class. That got more comments than anything, I believe.

So, no. It's not just about the sex or the waifus. At least for a good chunk of them, myself included.

Sure a good chunk may not be, but the ones posting all of the comments and being the most vocal are the ones going to get catered to.

My point is, most people complaining (making their voices heard or seen) about this don't actually care about Nintendo improving their games at all. They lap up whatever Nintendo feeds them and accepts it as the word of their God that can't be questioned. Their reasoning for not having voice chat in Splatoon was horsesh*t. "Some people are mean" so what? Have a lock on it, have it restricted to just friends, make it optional, mute people, there are plenty of options, Nintendo's just too lazy and stubborn to move on. They still think mostly kids play video games or Nintendo consoles when it's really 20-30 year olds.

I mean, make a game objectively better by adding MODERN features that have been around for almost a decade? Pff, who cares about that? Let's only make a stink about not petting virtual faces.

I get it, censorship and adding features aren't directly correlated, and that most censorship is sexual in some way because that's where our biggest differences lie. But when the majority only makes a stink about one side and not the other, you can tell where their priorities lie. Maybe if we didn't have so many people be complacent with Nintendo's clearly poor decisions the company might bother to improve themselves or evolve.

I appreciate the comment, but again, it's more about the slander. I've been called a pedophile because I didn't support the XBCX censorship and nothing was done about it. I was basically just told to "suck it up."

Unfortunately that is a tactic that's used to shut down conversation and debate, when discussing censorship with people who tend to be pro-censorship, as there is no win condition for their argument. In fact it's been used on me as well, in an earlier discussion on goNintendo, it was about a month and a half ago when the bravery second costume debacle broke! I put my complaint in and flagged the comment. Although nothing really came of it, I believe the message was well and truly sent, as they would've been given a email notification, as well as having their comment sighted for review.
But this leads into the problem, if we were using our real names, and someone said that to you, my advice would be contact your lawyer. As it doesn't fall on the the usual category of trolling and name-calling, but as we are all anonymous here, we have to use the mods to sort these problems out. No disrespect to the mods, but I don't think there really suited to dealing with these types of arguments, when the type of language being used would get you sued in any other arena, rather than just being the usual nasty comment or swearword.

vonter
Tue Jan 26 16 05:00pm
Rating: 1

I don't know if the correct term is censorship, but we can't deny this was done to preemptively evade an argument most likely certain gaming sites will have brought up in regards to this mode. People arguing about making sense brings nothing to the discussion than "I didn't like it, deal with it". Although to be fair, that last bit is the only thing we can do.

P.S. More so than being disappointing by this it makes me wonder if Nintendo will really takes risks this year. Their stance seems to be in keeping with being conservative about certain things.

artten
Tue Jan 26 16 07:21pm
(Updated 1 time)

I agree with you for the most part, however there are two points that I differ on, one being censorship is more of a catch all phrase, which encompasses many of the things that they have done, minus the term localization, as localization should not be confused with sanitization, which is effectively what they're doing, and therefore should come under censorship. 2. Although no doubt that are three possibilities for there actions being, A. attempting to avoid controversial articles written by unscrupulous publications, as you stated. B. attempting to avoid a higher certification issued by the ESRB or PEGI, then what they are targeting. C. this one's a little controversial, that in the last week, certain tweets have come to my attention from a prominent member of treehouse, who may be making decisions from an ideological bias, now of course this could just be chalked up to anecdotal evidence on my part, but it does raise questions when you see one of them arguing that, an intellectual conversation can not take place about video games unless you have an understanding of Intersectionality, and if you don't you need to educate yourself! Of course I'm paraphrasing the to tweets in question, but they happened, and that's worrying.

cgsasuke
Tue Jan 26 16 02:56pm
Rating: 1 (Updated 1 time)

& we all think that the NX will get 3rd party support. Btw what ever happened to those Love Plus games?...

Technically speaking this type of censorship wouldn't have an effect on third parties. Case in point, Bayonetta 2, paid by NCL, developed and localized by platinum, published in the US by Nintendo of America, but with absolutely no edits made to the game because they had no hand in localization.
What might stifle third-party support is how willing Nintendo is to pony up financially to these third party publishers. But that's a whole different conversation I think.

moldyclay
Tue Jan 26 16 05:40pm
Rating: 1

Literally has nothing to do with 3rd parties.

Nintendo doesn't censor them. They censor themselves, as part of localization.

I read lots of impressions of this game...everyone mentioned how awkward this minigame was. So they removed it.

That seems a bit weird to me. Why remove an optional feature just because people think it's awkward?
It's like removing, for example, Coin Battle from Smash during localization because plenty of people mentioned how they don't like that mode.

(That's just an example; I don't know how many people really dislike Coin Battle. I just took an example from my near surroundings and extrapolated.)

I do wonder if they're getting more or less complaints considering how knee-jerking some people get at some games for such depictions.

On the other hand objectively we're getting less features.

I'm taking this news with a grain of salt for now. Based on the quote, it doesn't sound like Kotaku asked a clear question, or that their question was fully understood.

"You might have heard somewhat misinterpreted or exaggerated information about the Japanese original game, but even in the Japanese original version, we have not included any features which are considered inappropriate in Japan"

Sounds like they're talking about two different things. Why would they feel the need to clarify that if we're just talking about face rubbing?

Also, I'd be surprised if the assets used for FE-amie got removed entirely, with no replacement way to interact with them. That would be an unusually large cut of content.

The way I interpret that quote is as follows, I apologise for the crude language in advance

"People thought you could rub their entire body including privates, even for Japan this would've been kinda weird for a Nintendo game, but don't worry, you don't rub peoples junk"

Honestly theres nothing to the quote that says "we outright removed the feature" to me.

This was a pretty stupid feature but there are people who are genuinely outraged that it's gone? Trust me, there's plenty of other waifu/husbando simulators online that can satisfy their, er, "basic needs."

I'm not sure if outrage is the right way to describe it, but plenty of people are opposed to this on principle. And I understand that.
I don't feel much for Fire Emblem (though I was thinking of trying it out someday soon) and this feature doesn't make me hot nor cold. It's just stupid that it was removed.

I can't support censorship.

lewdparty
Tue Jan 26 16 03:27pm
(Updated 2 times)

Yeah I want to say this is something NoA would tamper with, but also something Slowtaku would make a clickbait article out of.

And Christmas must be early this year, another lovely gift of hilarious comments from Siliconera are abound.

One guy who's genuinely happy at the possibility of it being gone?

Me.

One guy that is going to be upset if it's just kotaku being kotaku?

Me.

nurio
Wed Jan 27 16 07:24am
(Updated 2 times)

This is still something I don't understand. Plenty of people have expressed this, but I'll ask you specifically.
Why are you glad it's gone? Did this feature get in the way of something?

EDIT: Just to clarify, I'm not asking why you disliked the feature. I can easily understand why people wouldn't like the feature. (Truth be told, I don't see much in it either.) But why does it make you happy it's gone?

To me, it sounds like... Okay, here's an example:
I don't like Pringles, but I love Lay's. It'd be like wishing my local supermarket won't carry Pringles anymore and being glad when they don't.

This new entry in the Smash Bros. series gets stranger and stranger all the time.

Just cancelled my preorder screw censorship.

You could be spending 50+ hours enjoying an actual game experience (or two more!), yet you cancelled your preorder over a minor minigame that doesn't even have any benefit to the player whatsosever? That's ridiculous...

yomerodes
Tue Jan 26 16 06:14pm
(Updated 1 time)

Or you know, one can get the game someday used, and cheap. It is always curious how most people convert a simple 'cancelling my preorder' into 'never playing this game, EVER' when it shouldn't be neccesarily the case. Cancelling a preorder, or refusing to get a game brand new is not robbing anyone of the +50 hours of potential entertainment.

WTF is wrong with you people thumbing this up!? Xo

The minigame is gross. I know it was optional, but I still felt uncomfortable by the idea of buying a game with such a feature.

Still didn't tell me wtf is wrong with you...

vonter
Tue Jan 26 16 05:14pm
(Updated 1 time)

Ok, since we're not having it might as well just share this:
https://www.youtube.com/channel/UCP1GrSKB5lTUaQILsRGsf8Q/videos

Though it'll might be better just to bookmark it, for when there's context.

It seems this is the best option people will have now. Even though I personally won't use it, I want to thank you for providing this solution.

moldyclay
Tue Jan 26 16 05:37pm
Rating: 1

God forbid.

Here is how everyone reacted when this game came out in Japan:

"I can't believe you drug that lesbian. This game is gross"
"I can't believe Fire Emblem has gone down this path where we having a mode you can touch characters. Wtf I hate this"

All kinds of people against the game with these additions.

Now, Nintendo removes both things that vocal people DID complain about.

"What? It the dialogue was mistranslated!This ruins everything"
"Huh? How dare they remove an entire game mode!"

So now the game is ruined because they removed things people DID complain about, NEITHER OF WHICH were important to the game or even important to the series.

Censorship or not, 90% of people who wanted this game were not buying it for either of those things.

Nintendo may be playing a mommy to protect the kids who shouldn't be playing to begin with, but it is still absolutely part of localizations. If we have adults that think Nintendo made a Mario toy where he is jacking off, we have adults who are going to take this the wrong way.

The only way for Nintendo to cover all bases is to make a DLC patch for older players to uncensor games after proving their age or something. This way, they still get to be a parent and adults get to have their unnecessary content that was unnecessarily removed.

But in the grand scheme of things, people don't care. This doesn't ruin the game. That convo being in or out doesn't ruin the game. The people upset by this are going to be a minority.

The only reason Fatal Frame likely did bad is because it was digital only, a series that ALWAYS sold poorly and Nintendo did no effort to promote it. It was doomed even if it wasn't censored.

This is going to have the impact of removing slots from Pokémon. Very little to none. It's not important, it's just principles.

Nice to see I'm not the only one that didn't forget the controversy PRE-FE: Fates release and after.

No gamer complained.
Kotaku did.

Keep telling yourself that:
http://gonintendo.com/stories/237208-fire-emblem-fates-includes-suggestive-dialogue-party-member-prod

I am sure more evidence exists, as I did see it other places, especially the dialogue, but I don't care enough to source every gamer that said these were bad additions to FE.

kirome
Tue Jan 26 16 05:43pm
(Updated 2 times)

Wow people advocating for censorship.

So I heard it's a pointless optional mini game, not a big deal or loss, but wow, you can literally use this for and against censorship.

This is funny cuz I can imagine them censoring a smidget of blood somewhere in the game and everyone would be going apeshit.

Personally I see it harmless really, you say it's a minor and pointless minigame? I say fair enough, go skip it.
What exactly is the problem? Petting humans? Oh noes! I do this shit to my dog daily.

berrix
Tue Jan 26 16 05:45pm
(Updated 1 time)

Man, waiting for that time we can use the same localization powers to "localize" books with crap I don't like in them.

According to the basic internet reaction to this I can eventually get Fifty Shades of Grey to have dragons and chainsaws in them.

Also, waiting to see when the relationshipping will be removed.

Oh boy… I ain't touching this one lmao.

Would you guys prefer if they kept the mini-game in but replaced some of the more risqué lines with stuff like 'Hey, you wanna face-rub and chill'?

For some reason I thought you were going with the oil and sunscreen excuse.

Also in some cultures it is a sign of respect bathing the feet or wash the back on another person. But that also could be a stretch, since it's all about framing.

...Do you also think that when people say 'Netflix and chill' that they actually mean watching Netflix movies and relaxing? >.>

I haven't heard that term actually. I also haven't watched Netflix for quite some time.

hamr
Tue Jan 26 16 11:26pm
(Updated 1 time)

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Netflix_and_chill

Spoiler

Oooh:

I think we're getting memes either way.

Going a bit on tangent, I don't know if I want to either them cheese up the SMT X FE crossover or attempt to dignify it. I do wonder if they'll really dub the songs from that game, or take it out. Since that seems to be the way to go with anything inconvenient.

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