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stealth
Sun Jul 03 16 07:56pm
Rating: 13

Who cares, seriously. It is a non issue

artten
Sun Jul 03 16 07:12pm
Rating: 3 (Updated 4 times)

When a small YouTube channel is keeping consumers better inform about the censorship that's happening to Japanese games when they come to the west, then the big mainstream videogame publications best start taking notes and getting their houses in order.
Because it's become quite clear the future is definitely YouTube, and the passionate people from the fan base who are doing a far better job then the supposed game journalists, especially since only in the last week one or two started to catch on, that if you're not pro-consumer your going to become as obsolete as an antiquated typewriter in the modern age!

the big mainstream videogame publications best start taking notes and getting their houses in order.

This would imply that said actually gave a dam and weren't doing it mainly for the Ad Money.

it's become quite clear the future is definitely YouTube

I agree with the premise, but NOT the venue.
Ever since they were bought out by Botnet, and even some years before leading up too.

Those things aside, it depends on how the producers of content handle/present the content. If it's poor quality/effort, self promoting, annoying/obnoxious/cringe inducing, I stay away from it. Unfortunately, the tube is comprised of 98% that.

I don't doubt it has it's good parts and audiences, but the net negatives outweigh the positives for me.

the passionate people from the fan base who are doing a far better job then the supposed game journalists

That's cause their(GJ) main draw is $/'reporting'(for the sake of just reporting), whereas a Fan, their drive is passion and truth. And it's difficult to find the few fans that actually know how to handle things accordingly and not seem like complete Spazzes.

in the last week one or two started to catch on, that if you're not pro-consumer your going to become as obsolete as an antiquated typewriter in the modern age!

Did they really though? Or are they just adapting their illusions to keep the traffic flow steady?

Sorry I'm a bit short on time at the moment, I'll give you a proper response later, promise.

This would imply that said publication actually gave a dam and weren't doing it mainly for the Ad Money.

I wholeheartedly believe that there is at least a handful of good games journalists out there, however do I think there at the big publications, probably not! But what I do believe is that you can only run with yellow journalism for so long before people start to move away, and I don't think they'll be able to replenish those numbers as quickly as they lose them, it's in their best interest to go back to fact-based journalism, then say politically driven op-ed garbage we've seen recently in the last 5 to 10 years.

I agree with the premise, but NOT the venue.
Ever since they were bought out by Botnet, and even some years before leading up too.
Those things aside, it depends on how the producers of content handle/present the content. If it's poor quality/effort, self promoting, annoying/obnoxious/cringe inducing, I stay away from it. Unfortunately, the tube is comprised of 98% of that.
I don't doubt it has it's good parts and audiences, but the net negatives outweigh the positives for me.

I do understand where you're coming from on this, but unfortunately until a better alternative to YouTube arises, it's our best option at the moment.
I also agree that the vast majority of stuff on YouTube is complete garbage! However as the sheer size of it the amount of decent channels on their that deal with video games are in fact subsequently much larger than the entire combined manpower of the more traditional game sites. Of course the problem with that is finding them amongst all the detritus.

That's cause their games journalists, there main draw is cash for reporting '(for the sake of just reporting), whereas a Fan, their drive is passion and truth. And it's difficult to find the few fans that actually know how to handle things accordingly and not seem like complete Spazzes.

I'm offended that you use the word Spazzes, you should've used Retards :-)
jokes aside, time and practice, that's what's needed for a lot of these channels. And I've seen this, as they grow through practice so does the confidence and that ability to convey information clearly and concisely. But it is some think that the individuals who are on the channels need to undertake themselves, (disclaimer. I know this, because I contribute to a YouTube channel that deals with games and movies, no it's not Censored Gaming , and no weave never been linked on GoNintendo).

Did they really though? Or are they just adapting their illusions to keep the traffic flow steady?

Difficult to say, I'm not going to name drop the person who most recently did this, but what I will say is they've adopted the word censorship openly over localization, at the cost of scorn from the comment section. My best guess, is that the straw that broke the camels back for them took a little longer than the rest of us.

FYI. Forgive me, I made some minor corrections to your comments, this is so it flowed better and I could understand your sentiment more clearly.

there is at least a handful of good games journalists out there

I don't doubt that their is either. But you know, "do what you gotta do to get them numbers. Even if it's unethical or seems a tad on the sell out side."

The ones that Do manage to keep their integrity are hard to come by, but are much appreciated.

it's in their best interest to go back to fact-based journalism

For a genre like gaming, it certainly is. It isn't some tabloid driven market like fashion, celebs or what have you. It's art and entertainment, yes, but it's not the same audience as with the kind the tabloid stuff mentioned.

unfortunately until a better alternative to YouTube arises, it's our best option at the moment.

There actually have been a few(WAY better ones in layout and everything of the sort even), they were just silenced by Botnet, and later faded away due to inactivity again due to said Botnet. Botnet pretty much said they own all user generated media in that venue, in regards to what they say is available on the net as a whole. People who don't use Botnet know better, but most people don't even realize they have a choice, thanks to Web2.0 and Media pandering.

This can theoretically be combated by 'word of mouth'. That is, IF say one of said venues still exists, it would be best to mention it when and where ever possible. It would only work though, if the word actively travels spreads in the sense that most become aware of it without the duckblind that is Botnet. It has happened a few times before, but the success of which is kind of a dice roll. Nothing to lose though, I guess.

made some minor corrections to your comments

No worries. Sometimes I'm sleep deprived and spell check evades me.

Yeah, it's a shame we can't have nice things, thanks to the Botnet.

thedreaminghawk
Sun Jul 03 16 07:54pm
Rating: 10 (Updated 1 time)

Not gonna lie, this video was well researched and carefully made. Watched to the end and was happy that the folks who made this video weren't from the parts of this movement that go all out and flail around like children. They were calm, cool and pretty much made it like a mini DYKG. Color me impressed, although as they pointed out in the video the majority of the edits were literally clothing which makes the folks who are throwing a fit over this look even more silly, although that Gravure modeling edit was something I sorta saw coming, and I think NintenDaan did too, saying when he played through the Japanese version that something in Chapter 2 would definitely not fly in parts of the western world.

Still, you gotta give them credit for not being lazy and leaving the voice acting unaltered while the text is still changed. They made things consistent and that even applies to the edited booklets which have new Japanese text to fit with the changed theme. Certainly more faithful than some other localizations from the past, and it didn't make the same errors that FE fates did with making some of the characters charge personality abruptly for no reason and not being consistent.

Heck, I still remember when last fall Pokemon Super Mystery Dungeon came out in the states and I was happy to see the text follow the Japanese version super closely, only to be a bit saddened that they removed an instance of the word "Hell", replacing it with "Void" which had a weaker meaning, although begrudgingly I knew that they literally had no choice with that one, and I could swap the edited name out with the real one in my mind. Yet, funnily enough NOBODY complained about it because only the super observant even noticed it was a thing, but I bet if a major journalist made an article about that change folks would be throwing fits left and right. Kinda makes you think about how these changes even get the notoriety they do in the first place.

ceecee
Sun Jul 03 16 10:42pm
Rating: 1

Changes get made far more than people realize. I'm still waiting for the blowup about Carnage Heart EXA ;)

stealth
Sun Jul 03 16 07:56pm
Rating: 13

Who cares, seriously. It is a non issue

I care and it's not a non issue.

I know what you mean. But I think it's also like taking the blood out of a violent game. Knowing you're not getting something can be hard to not pay attention at times.

It's like in anime when they censor words and add a bird chirping. I'm not really sure if it's the way they're censoring it or the censoring in itself.

Funnily enough, remember No More Heroes?
If I'm remembering correctly, it had all it's blood removed from the Xbox and Japanese Wii releases.

Huh, funny how localisation works sometimes eh?

ceecee
Sun Jul 03 16 10:40pm
Rating: 1

To me, what's important is how it's changed. Was it lazy, or did they make it feel like what's been added/replaced/removed is simply part of the game?
For example, Witcher 3 basically has tops thrown on everyone in the Japanese/MEA version and they aren't uniform in colour before/after they make whoopie. That's a weird detail to overlook.

I finished TMS yesterday and had no real complaints with the way Chapter 2 was handled. I'm not a fan of change for the sake of change, and some localization changes still make me head tilt (indian to cowboy? WTH?), but the new costumes are totally adorbs.

Some people seem to have "getting angry" as a hobby...

Others do it as a job.

artten
Mon Jul 04 16 10:37am
(Updated 1 time)

Who cares, seriously. It is a non issue

Going by your comment, I assume you're one of these people that don't care. And if so, why you even posting on this article in the first place?

koopaul
Sun Jul 03 16 10:48pm
Rating: 3

No one should be surprised that people don't like it when fools dictate what can and can't be in art based on their sensitivity.

Why is it that all the "anti-censorship" videos on Youtube are so bloody obnoxious? They either resort to strawman arguments or screaming.

I think 'obvious fanservice' is one of the least important censor things to really bother about. While I overall think it is silly to remove it, when the game is not suppose to be a kid game or so anyways, it is still just nudity (there is already enough fanart of this game that is much more graphic anyways :P ).

And the game, from what I've played so far, at least still have the over-the-top boob-physics, at least.

there is already enough fanart of this game that is much more graphic anyways :P
I know this was more a passing mention, but I never understood this type of argument. "If I wanted to see boobs, I'd Google them." It's a bit of a non-argument and can be used with anything that has been removed from any game ever, and with this logic, it's fine if everything is removed from a game, because everything can be Googled anyhow.

Don't worry, I didn't mean it as a argument against this. It was more meant as sorta a joke in what I said. ^^

I rarely say much about censoreship like this, but while I DO think censoring and changing things is often very unecessary and silly, I think the big deal people has made about it is also, well, overdoing it. Like boycotting an entire game just because a character's cleavage was changed a little is just silly to me.

Yeah, sorry for going a bit on a rant. I saw you saying that (and knowing it wasn't meant as a true argument) and just couldn't stop myself.

I guess some people have very strong principles. Yes, a boycott goes too far in my opinion, and it won't do much anyway... But I do understand having principles and sticking to them

Don't worry, no worries at all, I saw you didn't mean it in that way. I totally understand. ^^

And yeah, I know what you mean, of course. I can understand going with your principles is something a lot of people simply do, and some with a passion. It is just unfortunate what a big deal this thing has become at this point. It's a shame when something like this gets multiple pages of comments, when positive and fun things barely gets any these days.

Yeah, I agree. I do try to contribute to articles where I can, but it's not always easy to think of something meaningful to say

Whatwith all the negativity around here nowdays, please do say even simple/unecessary things as long as it helps keep the positiveness up, haha. XD

nurio
Mon Jul 04 16 04:26pm
Rating: 1

I'll keep that in mind!

Burning the game as I read this.

sushihamster84
Mon Jul 04 16 08:46am
Rating: 2

All this work to remove things instead of adding more is sad. I wish they had put some of this localisation budget toward adding text bubbles or something to help understand combat dialog.

Don't be silly, if they had done that, that would show that they have common sense and the best interest of gamers in mind.

With all the effort changing this much of the game I am still surprised they even bothered with subtitles to begin with. It only held them back from putting masks on to hide their clearly cultural smile head-tilts.

I'm not sure I follow. What do you mean?

I am just being snarky about the sheer amount of changes they made that they still got around to actually making subtitles for the game. As most of the censorship even feel frivolous and overdone, and there is a significant amount of it.

Ah, like that. Yeah, this game is handled strangely. The strangest thing for me is that they claimed they wanted the authentic Japanese experience by keeping the voices, etc.
...But not some of the visual and story content. That would be too Japanese

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