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Tokyo Mirage Sessions #FE co-director was originally disappointed in localization changes

Coming from co-director Mitsuru Hirata ...

“When I found out we were unable to provide the same experience as the Japanese version, I also felt some disappointment. But our overseas fans remained happy that the game was being brought over and I’m glad to see their passionate support. In the meantime, the new costumes added could in a way be considered a merit that can only be enjoyed by our overseas fans! Thank you, and please look forward to the game!”

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mlt-malavida
Fri Jul 08 16 04:08am
Rating: 6 (Updated 1 time)

No.
Anytime they speak, YOU make things worst.

I'm sorry but it's true. At this point whatever they say, you (not you personally but you see what I mean) are going to twist things around and find a way to make them look like the worst people on earth. I used to be in this kind of conversations claiming that localization should not change the products, that it was a good example of cultural globalization, that it was insulting in a way both to consumers and creators.

Now because of how one dimensional, overblown, over simplified and childish the whole thing has become, I just ended up not participating in this "debate" anymore.

vonter
Thu Jul 07 16 10:44pm
Rating: 1 (Updated 1 time)

Obviously we can't have the same experiences.

Foreign countries and continents have stuff that defies my knowledgement like their kid shows.

Japan

I can get Bananas in Pijamas but I can't a hybrid of a banana and a cat.

Czech Republic
http://i.imgur.com/nn2EBPd.gif

Who knew Alice in Wonderland could actually be decisively creepy but no, we can just understand colorful and implied acts of murder. Or taking a set of obnoxious films that are neither disturbing nor funny. (Also I hope the gif isn't too intense, since this was actually made for children on it's country of origin).

Anyway I heard the game is fine, not amazing, not terrible, it is what it is. Might as well grab a copy at some point since it's the last Wii U game I think I'll get this year.

Foreign countries and continents have stuff that defies my knowledgement like their kid shows.
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And yet... It's what makes them so interesting.

TL;DR A young, old-fogey rants how kids shows were better back in his day, because new things suck.

I remember Bananas in Pajamas... and now I feel old. Upon Googling to see when it first aired, they apparently made a 3D animated version.

Even though I took 3D animation in school... I still hate the thought that they tried to make it 3D animated. Not just because it looks as basic as an animation student's project, but the fact that companies are phasing out classic and different forms of entertainment for the quick and easy new ones. Same thing happened with Disney ditching hand drawn animation because their 3D ones were doing better. So I guess part of it is following what the market wants.

I guess full bodied character costumes were probably the new craze at that time that companies latched onto (BiJ, Sesame Street, Barney, Teletubbies) to pause out their classic forms. Just like they're doing now with 3D... But I don't think we'll really get those old forms back. As far as I'm aware, it's far easier and likely cost effective to throw one studio money and pay for voice actors then get a prop studio, costumes, a set, actual actors, scheduling it all, etc.

So unless someone can make something simple like Puppet Pal Clem a hit show, we're stuck with 3D. It's not a TV example, but Minecraft transcended it's ugly design (maybe kids like it) because of what was underneath (in the case of a show, it would be interesting characters/story).

2D is probably safe for a while with cartoons though, since it's easier/cheaper to draw than create a rig, lighting, etc. Plus there's still 2D shows doing well, unlike live-action shows whether it was with people (Sharon, Lois, and Bram), or costumes (Barney), or hand puppet shows (can't recall one... Nanalan? That's all I got).

I think more than cheapness it's how studios want things to come out faster. In that sense paying for actors, and setting a set more than being more expensive or cheaper it's definitely more time consuming and likely requires more people getting paid to shoot it.

Anyways like always in art the ones who push are the ones that challenge conventions and trouble themselves to make something unique, either adapting and giving a new take to a familiar story or challenging the limitations of what's possible to do.

3D in itself isn't bad. It's a tool but IMO 3D ever since the GC era I think is a medium in which you need to emphasize flaws in order to things looking more natural. For example in Kirby's Rainbow Curse, the trick to making that claymation style look charming is to add small defects like fingerprints and slight imperfections to the roundness of the objects.

Fri Jul 08 16 10:59am
(Updated 1 time)

That gif from the Czech Republic is terrifying. That's from a kids show?

As for TMS, I've been hooked on it since release. It's a great game.

It's a take on Alice in Wonderland, it's a movie, and yes, it was intended to be for kids. It was going for the puppet show feel.

Creepy. Haha. There are some very odd choices in things being appropriate for kids. Definitely some US movies and shows with semi-inappropriate things as well.

Aside from the toilet humor and innuendo in some kids films?

Fri Jul 08 16 12:31pm
(Updated 1 time)

Oh very much yes.

Here's a decent list, but you can search online for some youtube videos and the like. There was a Rolling Stone article, but the link is broken.
http://www.hitfix.com/comedy/10-unintentionally-terrifying-childrens-movies-that-scarred-us-for-life

Personally, I remember parts of Ernest Scared Stupid being pretty terrifying haha.

vonter
Fri Jul 08 16 01:28pm
(Updated 1 time)

I think it's mostly about giving contradictory vibes to the actual content of the cartoon:

Other times great kid shows manage to include great subtext that may fly over kids heads but in a way also educate them.

Mhm. When it's done well, it can be enjoyed by the adults watching with the kids.

He talks exactly like Iwata... #StillAlive #Conspiracy

But...but...the idea of "it's not censorship because the devs ok'd it!"

Finally, a classy, honest response.

Are you saying it wasn't honest when the other dev said he liked the new outfits?

The other dev is the other dev. Doesn't mean he liked them too

Liking the new outfit doesn't mean he was ok with the changes.

Little does he know that the fans in the west are entitled children and swore the game off because of the changes.

bpm
Fri Jul 08 16 04:14am
Rating: 4

Ooh, oooh! Are you gonna play THAT game, huh? Because it can play be played by the other side, too!

"Little does he know that the fans in the West are gullible sheep that swallow whatever their corporate overloads give them because they believe the overloads know what's best for them!"

See? Isn't that game fun?

(FYI, I DID buy TMS#FE, even got the special edition. Still disappointed by the heavy-handed, 4Kids-like edits made)

andrelol33
Fri Jul 08 16 05:13am
Rating: 1 (Updated 2 times)

The irony in this message is massive.

The director of the game said he didn't like the change, he was disappointed with the changes, yet, you're here, still bashing the people who actually agree with the director?

By the way, if it wasn't for people like you, entitled SJW children, we may have gotten the game with the original content...

But nope, since half of the audience were people like you, who instead of saying: "hey, give me the same game the Japenese people got", went full retard with: "wwwooowww, all these weeeeboossss, I don't want the same game, this is stupid anyways".

So, THANK YOU for helping the game industry to stay stupid. You are doing an amazing job.

By the way, wheres all the conversation about: "it was the developers who decided this, it's not cernsorship"?

The developers decided what? Hahahaha.

Err, no, that's not why they changed the content at all. The game is not any less 'weeb' than the Japanese release.

nurio
Fri Jul 08 16 06:51am
Rating: 1

Come now, an insult and a harsh generalization all in one? You should be above that

The people on this site are sad and rude. Don't hold them up high.

This shouldn't be happening on GN though. I've been observing this place for ages and this whole debate is the closest anyone has gotten to making the comment sections equal those of Wii U Daily. Thankfully, at least folks keep a level head when they express their opinions instead of using vulgar curse words towards people, but still, it's a tad worrying to see this of all things heat people up. Well, at least it makes more sense to be upset about compared to not getting (Insert game here) on the Wii U Virtual Console

This place is monitored well enough to if someone did go that far, they'd be banned. Now, it's just people being sarcastic jerks. They can't get banned for that but I can sense sarcastic replies from people. If I try defending something, I get replies like that.

If I'm not entitled to their content, they aren't entitled to my money

Lol not all fans are pleased, buddy.

vonter
Fri Jul 08 16 12:55am
Rating: 1

IMO they never are. Though I suppose what you mean is that a large part of the fans aren't pleased.

shmuga9
Fri Jul 08 16 12:32am
Rating: 1

Sounds like he's just trying to see the bright side, and didn't really want it to happen anyway.

"I wanted to keep the story elements, costumes, and whatnot the same... but they told me I either change it or get bent so I did what I had to do. At least you get some neat exclusive costumes out of it."

Originally disappointed? He should still be disappointed, because most people that know about the changes are offended for being treated like babies.

Unbelievable. He's telling us that we should be grateful because we got exclusive censored costumes. Any time they speak they just make matters worse.

mlt-malavida
Fri Jul 08 16 04:08am
Rating: 6 (Updated 1 time)

No.
Anytime they speak, YOU make things worst.

I'm sorry but it's true. At this point whatever they say, you (not you personally but you see what I mean) are going to twist things around and find a way to make them look like the worst people on earth. I used to be in this kind of conversations claiming that localization should not change the products, that it was a good example of cultural globalization, that it was insulting in a way both to consumers and creators.

Now because of how one dimensional, overblown, over simplified and childish the whole thing has become, I just ended up not participating in this "debate" anymore.

nurio
Fri Jul 08 16 07:04am
Rating: 1

How... How did you even read that in this statement? Nowhere does he say anything even close to "Be grateful"

Does she have horse ears?

Yep!
Haven't you heard? Horse ears are all the rage this summer! ^^

It actually started really becoming a rage from 2010 onwards =P

stealth
Fri Jul 08 16 05:09am
Rating: 1

but he isnt sad now. it is the same game.

Who cares. The game reviewd amazing, is selling well.

How it's the same, if the story has changed, dialogues are different, levels are different and there's even en entire DLC chapter we won't get because of this?

Did you misread what he said? He said the exact opposite. He said it isn't the same experience as the original Japanese product.
The reason he isn't sad/disappointed anymore is because the reception of the game is positive. (Not sure if he's just saying that to give it a positive spin or if he genuinely didn't hear about the people being upset in the West.)

I'm going to be a little lazy, and let OJ of Player Essence do the talking for me on this, only for the fact that he covers almost every think I want to say, and he's got a far better speaking voice then myself.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Pni2T3BngMc

I will only make one point, Mitsuru Hirata may be aware that people are overall please with the core of the game, how ever it will not detract from the fact, many people on virtually every forum, or comment section I've visited that have covered this game and its censorship are not happy with this so-called "localization"......
And its absolutely does not wash with me that they are unaware of this, and the dissatisfaction from gamers and their own fan base, by only addressing that they have received positive feedback!

In the meantime, the new costumes added could in a way be considered a merit that can only be enjoyed by our overseas fans!

Yes, I have to admit this was kinda cool in Project Zero 5. I actually liked the Nintendo Costumes more compared to the silly lingerie. But the person, or the persons who designed the new costumes for the Western Version of Tokyo Mirage Sessions should get arrested by the Fashion-Police [memo to Nurio, in case he ask: No, the Fashion-Police do not actually exist, not as far as I know : D]. The wannabe Hip Hop clothing with the Star on Tsubasas Cheek is a turn off and so the wedding dress costume which simply looks lazy, almost looks like bodypainting the edited part.

So, yeah, this is exclusive to the overseas version. Period. At least he did not used words like "Cool" or "Stylish". It's ok if people like the new costumes, but I'm not one of them.

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