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MCV - NX will be cheaper than what the vast majority expect

Coming from MCVUK...

Early online speculation about pricing for the NX expects it to be cheaper than current consoles, but from what we’ve heard it’s going to be cheaper than even the vast majority expect. This is a machine that is targeting the mass market, and Nintendo certainly plans for it to have a mass market price. Price is one Wii U mistake Nintendo is determined not to repeat. This could be NX's single biggest win.

Of course, while MCVUK is basing this information on what they've heard from sources, but nothing is confirmed until it comes out of a mouth from Nintendo.

Categories: Consoles
Tags: nx

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berrix
Wed Jul 27 16 05:20pm
Rating: 7

I don't think anything Nintendo does now will appease anyone. They can go double the power of the PS4.5 and people would complain about the price even if it lost them hundreds per console and charging a comparable price. They can do THIS route and people complain about the tech. They can find a happy medium and people will complain about the X or Y franchise not coming. Any way they will protest not buying the console.

Nintendo is essentially doomed by internet standards regardless what anyone says or do. Surprise.

sisibakbak
Wed Jul 27 16 03:57pm
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I'd love to know what it is about NX that's supposedly going to make the mass market swoon. I really have no idea.

Sounds like what I thought it would be. A modular handheld. Think the LG G5 or the new Motorola cellphone (don't remember the model). It might even be able to use mobile data like a lot of tablets can.

so.. I'll put my bet at 250 then, if they're trying not to copy the mistake of the wii u's price.

though I really don't think it was the price that ultimately killed the wii u.

If this is true, this is great news. The Wii U and 3DS were plagued with being too expensive for the mass market towards release and they both did poorly in their first few months (or in the Wii U's case, it's whole life).

I dunno about that. People are willing to pay several hundred dollars for a smartphone, and the PS4 is selling well at a $400 price point. I don't think, or want, Nintendo consoles to ever cost that much. But I also don't think price had anything to do with Wii U's lack of success.

Nintendo has said it before that Playstation isn't their direct competition and have two different audiences and approaches to it.

With this information my bet is that it is going to be an NVIDIA Shield type tablet game system but with Nintendo's usual "yesterday's technology priced for the masses" mentality.

I'm a little less excited now.

would be surprising if it launches at the same or lower price as the Wii U is currently ($250-300?)

Good. I really hope this rumour is true; because I think Nintendo basically ****** up with the 3DS and NX prices at launch. It will be great if the NX launches at a price that people actually think is right for what it is, rather than it just putting off anyone that isn't either a hardcore Nintendo fanboy or kinda loaded.

With the Xbox One down to $250 bundled, I don't see Nintendo beating that price with NX at launch but I guess it could happen. Getting over the price barrier of buying new hardware is really important though.

What is the point in Nintendo still existing then? I love their IP, but if they don't have faith in themselves, why should I? I used to say that Nintendo going third party would be the end of gaming for me, but now? I am not so sure. People want the latest tech. A crappy smartphone is not going to do it.

berrix
Wed Jul 27 16 05:20pm
Rating: 7

I don't think anything Nintendo does now will appease anyone. They can go double the power of the PS4.5 and people would complain about the price even if it lost them hundreds per console and charging a comparable price. They can do THIS route and people complain about the tech. They can find a happy medium and people will complain about the X or Y franchise not coming. Any way they will protest not buying the console.

Nintendo is essentially doomed by internet standards regardless what anyone says or do. Surprise.

Yeah no matter what they do some people will complain of course but the least complaining would come from Nintendo releasing a system basically like the new PS4 and Xbox Ones. No unique twists, just a console that makes par as far as power and price goes. And then let the library of games speak for itself.

I personally like that Nintendo tries to be innovative or do something different with there hardware; it makes it special or memorable for me, but I think what I said before is what most people want. I just buy all the systems so I don't need Nintendo to be standard or normal or whatever.

I see the apologists are out at full force these days. When was the last time Nintendo went for a powerful console? Gamecube was the last one.

And look where it got them. They made a gimmicky console in Wii U, and look where it got them.

You're surprised they may take the Wii route again? You shouldn't be, it's cause of the "hardcore" that is never happy with anything since the SNES nostalgia that have given them enough information that you're not going to be buying much anyway.

Wait what? What I was implying was that they have never made a regular high powered console and you are assuming that people wouldn't be happy with it despite them never trying it.

So the GCN was not high powered? What exactly is GCN, being in-between the two consoles in power at the time, not high powered enough to be high powered?

You said people would complain if Nintendo released a high powered console. Nobody complained about GCN, so thanks for proving my point right? The only problem with the GCN was that it didn't sell as well as the other consoles. It still had great games and even third party support.

No one complained? Were you even around about how Nintendo is "kiddie" and how third parties were refusing to make games on that console to compete with Nintendo. The whole generation was a giant failure, and people called it Nintendo's final nail on the coffin, with selling Rare and Silicon Knights leaving as major signs of Nintendo finally going third party.

Yeah, Nintendo is kiddie. Very important complained by very mature people *rolls eyes*

I don't disagree, but that was the go-to argument for why Nintendo was not the better choice for consoles. IGN had a lot of flak for over-using that term in the generation to describe a lot of Nintendo's graphical approaches.

A crappy smartphone would not be able to play Breath of the Wild, let alone a handheld, so most, if not all, of these rumors about it being some sort of hybrid that uses phone tech are most likely complete bullcrap.

Rest assured, their hardware division won't exist for much longer if the NX flops. If it doesn't do well it will be their last ever console, and then they will finally go 3rd party so we can experience their games on consoles that are not awful.

Have you seen their resources? They can still have Wii U level failure (like GCN) for another 3 gens before being as financially par with the games division of either of the other two. Third party is still ways out, but I keep hearing this from many people SINCE the GCN.

yomanation
Wed Jul 27 16 08:44pm
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Do you understand that if the console flops it won't even have enough (good) games? Probably not... But hey, I guess fanboys would be happy with 3-4 more Wii U's. Of course, I'm not even going to try to convince you that if Nintendo flops with the NX they won't continue with the same strategy of producing dumb consoles because doing the same thing over and over and expecting different results is insane, and they are a business that wants to turn a profit at some point. But keep dreaming that they will keep releasing flops until they go completely dry, lol.

I am not saying they'll be awesome, we even consider the Wii a failure now. Nintendo will change strategy, like every business naturally does, if the NX flops. Doing one gimmick was successful in a financial direction, the other not at all. So they're going to appeal to the market they once had to see if it goes back up, basic business practice. But to say after the NX fails they'll go third party is just as the saying was when the GCN was a sinking ship, and the Wii a sinking ship, and the 3DS was the sinking ship, and the Wii U being the sinking ship. Now the NX is already a sinking ship in so many of the readers' eyes no they may as well just quit games all together. Lord knows you're not buying a Mario game littered with gimmicks on a PS4, cause you're not interested in them now.

If it fails, I am sure there is plenty of room for a "Me-Three" console like every business pro on this site apparently thinks it's going to sell like hot cakes.

Not sure who considers the Wii a failure. I didn't like it as much as the previous consoles, but it was a huge success financially. What change of strategy would you suggest if not 3rd party if the NX flops? Nintendo can't afford to keep releasing failed consoles and the investors will want results yesterday. I think their best move possible would be to pair up with MS or Sony in that case so they can focus entirely on gimmicks and games and leave the consoles up to them who have a lot more dough to work with and sell at a loss.

Actually third party would shut out many of Nintendo's more.... niche titles due to failure to sell at a profit. Outside Awakening, Fire Emblem wasn't making profit enough to, if added to other consoles, to be worth making again. Tokyo Mirage Sessions, Ever Oasis, Codename STEAM... A lot of these were more of a "flop" in a third party place than they would be on Nintendo's own console. Could they make money third party? Sure, but they're not going to on a limb as they do now (which, though many disagree, they do often in comparison) to make new IP like people have been demanding more of them as of late.

But with Nintendo's change of strategy; I honestly cannot tell you what would be better. Nintendo's current strategy was not working out, and this trouble goes beyond the console release itself. The Wii was financially successful but failed to hook third party due to various trouble, from entirely different structure to the unease of porting a such a drastically lesser console. Wii U felt that same tactic overall; Release a console and lacking communication and relationships for the release of the system.

Though the latter had very little resolution with Nintendo acquiring some relationships with SEGA and Platinum, I feel it was too little too late for the console. With Kimishima stating, upon his arrival, that his goal is to gain new relationships, I can only suspect a rough start with the NX as of right now since SEGA and Platinum are the only ones we seen going forward. Though to be honest, mending broken relationships and getting collaborations together may be a far better way to reach a broader audience with Nintendo's IP library, the question is when will WE see this?

So its 199 without the docking unit !

This feels right. I don't think anyone who is a portable only nintendo fan is going to be happy thinking they have to pay for console functionality when all they want is a handheld. I could see them low balling the price and then selling the dock for $50.

Yeah I can see that. But at this price I wonder if NX is stronger than WII U at all. But then again I think a portable Wii U would still be an amazing thing : D

Wed Jul 27 16 07:08pm
(Updated 1 time)

Pfft, no.
People keep forgetting that Nintendo isn't a charity; selling at that price would be akin to financial suicide because it would leave the impression that the system is weak, which we know it won't be, due to the fact that it's got Breath of the Wild as its headline launch title, and a system that is truly weak could not handle that, let alone a hybrid that is more portable than home console.

That would result in yet another mixed signal, something that Nintendo themselves have said they want to avoid.

You are as wrong as one can be and your arguments show a lack of pretty basic understanding.

In fact we know Nintendo doesnt define its value proposition to customers by hardware potency. Just read what they have been reiterateing over and over again for years.
Further we still dont know how powerfull the NX actually will be, but it being portable, you better keep your hopes in check.
Anouma saying BotW will be the same experience on NX and Wii U, could also mean the portable version will be downgraded in some way, why does everybody expect the opposite ?

I think they learned their lesson form the 3DS launch debacle due to a way too hefty launch price and also to some degree from Wii Us lukewarm reception. Even more them going for a broader demographic I expect the system to be 199$ and 249$ with BotW packed in if tehres no Mario at launch.

wedgew
Wed Jul 27 16 08:42pm
Rating: 1

LazySprite, as for why people are expecting the NX version of BotW to be an upgrade over the WiiU version, I'm curious as to why you aren't? Are you:
1. Unaware of the rumors that the NX will use an Nvidia Tegra X1 (or possibly X2)?
2. Unaware of the capabilities of the Tegra X1?
3. Aware of the capabilities, but believe Nintendo will somehow lower other specs on the NX such that it's still inferior horespower-wise to the WiiU?
or
4. Skeptical that the Tegra X1 rumors are likely true?

Keep in mind I said is its an possibility, not that I believe in it being a downgrade. Per default everybody expects it to be a upgrade with no clear hint at all.

As for the tech, we dont know whether it will be the X1 or X2. Comparsions recently show X1 rigs seem to slightly outpower PS3/360, but Wii U was supposed to be a tad stronger either which didnt show always.

As for X2, i think it would make stuff too expensive and they would have to break the 200$ boundry. Nintendos biggest sellers like Gameboy and Wii used tech of yesteryear and still delivered bigtime, due to a sweet entryprice among other reasons.

I just dont feel NX needs to be far above Wii Us powerlever if at all. Mario Kart doesnt need to look better than it does now to me.

What I think it comes down to:

-Nintendo cultivating similar levels of 3DS 3rd party support over to NX and with a higher tact of 1st party releases due to unified single palttform development they avoid WII Us biggest drawback and play on 3DS biggest strenght.

-a price below 250$

Wed Jul 27 16 11:34pm
(Updated 1 time)

You are as wrong as one can be and your arguments show a lack of pretty basic understanding.

Pot, meet kettle.

In fact we know Nintendo doesnt define its value proposition to customers by hardware potency. Just read what they have been reiterateing over and over again for years.
Further we still dont know how powerfull the NX actually will be, but it being portable, you better keep your hopes in check.

Circumstances necessitate change, and in this case it's more true than ever.
The changes made to the Zelda formula in BotW are indicative of Nintendo's drive to try something new, and after the mistake of putting the Wii U out at a level of power that left third parties leaving them left and right, and Nintendo's statement that they do want those games, you can bet they won't be making the same power mistake they made with the Wii U.
And an increase in power over the Wii U, cannot be priced below the Wii U.
It's unreasonable to the point of stupid to expect as much.

Anouma saying BotW will be the same experience on NX and Wii U, could also mean the portable version will be downgraded in some way, why does everybody expect the opposite ?

The experience he meant is obviously in terms of gameplay, not graphics, which will obviously be improved on the NX version.
We expect the opposite because they aren't going to cut the Wii U off early if their next system can't take its place in the home console market, which always has been, and will always be, a part of their lifeblood.
There is absolutely no evidence that the NX versionwill be a downgraded portable version, and it's actually pretty silly to expect it to be, given the comments made during E3 by both demo booth attendants and the stuff alluded to by the Treehouse staff.

I think they learned their lesson form the 3DS launch debacle due to a way too hefty launch price and also to some degree from Wii Us lukewarm reception. Even more them going for a broader demographic I expect the system to be 199$ and 249$ with BotW packed in if tehres no Mario at launch.

Would you like a back rub and night services with that?
Seriously, you cannot honestly expect a new console that is more powerful than the Wii U to be priced so low that they're practically giving them away.

Again, Nintendo is NOT A CHARITY.
Expecting a new system with more modern tech to be priced at less than half of what the PS4 was at is just DUMB at this point.
Selling a more powerful system at a higher price, if the tech does indeed justify it, is not the same as repeating the 3DS/Wii U pricing mistakes.
If it were, no one would have bought a PS4, much less an XB1 or Wii U. (and despite negative comparisons to the competition's numbers, 13 million units is still a profitable number, and they can only go up from such a low one at this point anyways)

Circumstances necessitate change, and in this case it's more true than ever.
The changes made to the Zelda formula in BotW are indicative of Nintendo's drive to try something new, and after the mistake of putting the Wii U out at a level of power that left third parties leaving them left and right, and Nintendo's statement that they do want those games, you can bet they won't be making the same power mistake they made with the Wii U.
And an increase in power over the Wii U, cannot be priced below the Wii U.
It's unreasonable to the point of stupid to expect as much.

You really want to take clues from BotW design changes to Nintendos company strategies ? I doubt theres any link from one to the other.

Its not a power issue that lead Wii U to fail. Its more complex and while it was expensive, it surley hasnt been recieved as a powerful piece of tech like you suggest. Be aware that Wii Us core tech was pretty cheap as is documented and the streaming tech and gamepad were actually what drove the price so high. Dropping both and using the Nvidias old X1 tech will enable them to do what worked for them before : Low price tech for everybody on the blue ocean. Reggie himself said at E3 they wont join the terflop run to compete with MS and Sony. Sorry to shatter your dreams.

The experience he meant is obviously in terms of gameplay, not graphics, which will obviously be improved on the NX version.

You cant know that and I doubt Treehouse employees and cheap ass booth staff can comment on anything NX. Well, but now I kinda get a feeling where you got all this nonsense from.

Seriously, you cannot honestly expect a new console that is more powerful than the Wii U to be priced so low that they're practically giving them away.

There we go again : there is no proof NX being more powerful and taking the possibility of Tegra X1 into account you better wake up and get used to nintendo being more of toy than a tech company, like forever.

You cant know that and I doubt Treehouse employees and cheap ass booth staff can comment on anything NX. Well, but now I kinda get a feeling where you got all this nonsense from.

The Treehouse staff said at E3, in person, that they've been playing the game back at HQ, so there goes your theory about them not knowing.

There we go again : there is no proof NX being more powerful and taking the possibility of Tegra X1 into account you better wake up and get used to nintendo being more of toy than a tech company, like forever.

Pft, and you say I'm the one speaking nonesense? Every single new Nintendo system has always been more powerful than its predecessor.
Assuming that the NX will not be more powerful is stupid talk. End of.

Never has Nintendo shown NX to a larger circle, especially not to some low treehouse grunts. I believe guys up the ladder like Trinen or Fils Ame know whats up but surley not your average employee.

And again you are wrong , because the the Wii was actually just a Gamecube and the hardware upgrade was very minor and barely noticable. And Wii was one of their greatest success ever and did defy what you wrongly think is a norm.

You speak nonsense mate: Nintendo officials repeatedly said NX isnt an predecessor to Wii U but a new concept. and from all the rumors you better compare NXs technical prowess to the 3DS rather than than Wii U.

Take your advice and end talking.

Sat Jul 30 16 06:03pm
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The GC could never have run Xenoblade, and that was bigger than Skyrim. So no, not minor enough to be comparable. And comparing it to the 3DS with nothing but hate-mongering rumors as your basis isn't proving your case, it's just making it easier to laugh at said case.
If anyone is going to get to play on the NX version, it is going to be the Treehouse staff, because they're one of Nintendo's most insider teams.
And Nintendo's statement on the Wii U, officially, is that it isn't JUST a replacement for the 3DS or Wii U.

They aren't going to make a weak system, because they don't have the option this time if they really want third parties.
And with Take-two saying they're excited for it and Sega planning a Next-Gen console Sonic for it, it is, again, decidedly stupid to assume it will be weak.

Take a hint and sit down.

Check the facts and and hardware comparsions between GC and Wii. Its really something else to base ones opinion on hard facts.

Treehouse is an american branch of a very japanese company, I highly doubt anyone beneath Bill Trinen has seen anything regarding NX, translators there get text without context to translate at this point of time and treehouses PR folk will never have gotten anything.

It just isnt a replacment of 3DS or Wii U because its is a replacment of 3DS AND Wii U though 3DS fade out will be slower while Wii U is dead already.

You really shouldnt listen to all this empty corporate blah blah of the likes of SEGA and let it inform your opinion else... well, else you end up where you are right now.

I dont assume it will be weak. It probably will be slightly more powerfull than a Wii U which is quite a bit more powerfull than PS Vita.

cheap price = weaker console

Is anyone even arguing that? Obviously a cheap console is going to be weak.

So basically Nintendo's going to keep trying to replicate the Wii era no matter how much they fail (Wii U) no matter how obvious it is that they lost that market to smart phones

The Wii U couldn't possibly replicate the Wii with its horrible gimmick controller and expensive price. At least this one is cheap so even if it turns out horrible it won't be a big waste of money.

Well they're sinking their toes into the smart phones so maybe that's the path they're going for as the other one hasn't been something they have succeeded in a very long time.

I was laying in bed thinking, I hope Nintendo pushes things a little further, with a higher res screen and more premium looking build right away.

I guess we might still wait on the redesign for that, though.

The New NX? Super NX? Oh, oh. Nx Neo.

;)

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