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Nintendo considers Switch Online the successor to the Virtual Console

It's pretty clear that Nintendo is moving on from the Virtual Console. In an interview with IGN, Reggie Fils-Aime explained how Nintendo thinks the Switch Online service and its upcoming slate of online-enabled classic games is the Virtual Console's successor.

"The Virtual Console successor is Nintendo Switch Online, right? With the mentality that says we're going to be offering a slate of games, and it's a slate that's going to increase over time. For many of these games, there's going to be additional online capability provided in those games. That's the vision we have for how to best bring our legacy content to Nintendo Switch.

We do [believe people will subscribe to Switch Online], and I say that because what we've laid out is a proposition where, yes you get the competitive play accessibility, you also get the cloud save, and you get access to the legacy content. That's a fantastic proposition for $20 a year. We believe that it's not going to be any type of issue for us. In fact, it's going to enable us to continue offering a varied slate of opportunities from an online experience standpoint."

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It was confirmed from the moment they announced it that the games are downloaded to the system and they can be played offline.
https://www.nintendo.com/whatsnew/detail/nintendo-shares-new-details-about-its-nintendo-switch-online-service

For the first time ever, players will be able to enjoy these classic NES games online. Depending on the game, players can engage in online competitive or co-op multiplayer, or take turns controlling the action. Friends can even watch each other play single-player games online, and “pass the controller” at any time. Every classic NES game will support voice chat via the Nintendo Switch Online smartphone app*. It will also be possible to play these games offline.

Check your facts before complaining.

“So much so that we’re gonna keep consumers guessing! Forever!”

The virtual console is no longer as special as it once was. Sonic 1 for instance is a game you can play on any console/phone/computer, so what Nintendo did instead was something different.

This would be fine if they gave us more details and what is coming. If they plan on adding N64 games and GCN games and won't be removing stuff every month then I'll be down for this new service. I would still rather outright buy the games but beggers can be choosers.

Exactly what everyone with a rational mind has been saying since the moment it was announced, but too many people freak out because the branding is different.

Hopefully it ends up being the Netflix style service Nintendo should have been doing on the Wii U. Just stacks of NES, SNES, N64 games available to play for a fee. Online play/cloud saves would seem like the bonus service if they went down that route.

Many people already emulate these older games and I can see a lot of Nintendo fans who previously avoided that finally taking the plunge. I mean what was so difficult about putting the games up for sale and having them carry over from one console to the next?

arod79
Sat Jun 16 18 01:39am
Rating: 3

Because then they'd be forced to acknowledge the majority of us have bought these games multiple times, and would logically not have to repurchase them; we'd simply be waiting to redownload them to our Switch . This is what I was concerned about. They seemingly chose to screw us in this department big time. And yeah, I know new features will be added but when you think about it they kind of have no choice, but to add them since we've bought the same Super Mario Bros. for what, 4, 5 times! lol

I've assumed and maybe that's where I'm wrong but does not Microsoft and Sony accounts allow you to redownload games you've already purchased to the next console?

Sat Jun 16 18 02:05am
Rating: 2 (Updated 1 time)

No their stuff doesn't carry over either. It's one of the reasons why I very rarely buy a digital game on a console. I sometimes use Steam but I prefer GOG where I can get DRM free copies of games. It means a world of difference to me.

Thanks for clearing that up. Still sucks, but it stings a bit less knowing theirs doesn't carry over either. I definitely prefer physical and I'm really hoping that, whatever form the Switch successor takes, it will have a slot to except Switch cartridges.

Of course, if they do this the only ones that will have backwards compatibility will be cartridge owners!

will there be an option to own the old games though

I just hope they release Mother 3 on there.

The whole "Virtual Console" marketing strategy was too abstract for the common user to understand methinks. Classic consoles and bonus games for paid online is Nintendo's way of dealing with that lack of understanding, and it looks like it's working apparently.

pc
Sat Jun 16 18 12:06am
Rating: 1

Personally, I'd rather own my games and be done with it than pay a monthly fee for unlimited access to games. I don't have time to enjoy a Netflix-like service.

Of course, I also feel the Virtual Console was ultimately a great concept that was very poorly executed. It went well at first, but ended up being grossly underutilized. It became even worse when the WiiU made us buy the same games again and released them at an even more glacial pace.

csp
Sat Jun 16 18 01:19am
Rating: 1

seriously this is UTTER CRAP.

we prefer the already present OFFLINE virtual console thank you.

There’s a lot about the service we don’t understand yet. Granted, any misconceptions would be because Nintendo isn’t giving us the details. It’s only natural for some of us to speculate and expect the worse. Maybe the games will function offline - that would be ideal given the portable nature of the Switch.

It was confirmed from the moment they announced it that the games are downloaded to the system and they can be played offline.
https://www.nintendo.com/whatsnew/detail/nintendo-shares-new-details-about-its-nintendo-switch-online-service

For the first time ever, players will be able to enjoy these classic NES games online. Depending on the game, players can engage in online competitive or co-op multiplayer, or take turns controlling the action. Friends can even watch each other play single-player games online, and “pass the controller” at any time. Every classic NES game will support voice chat via the Nintendo Switch Online smartphone app*. It will also be possible to play these games offline.

Check your facts before complaining.

csp
Sun Jun 17 18 03:16am
(Updated 1 time)

I apologize for not explaining it properly. I mean that these games are RENTALS and can NOT be played once the subscription is over (adding insult to injury, you can not buy them EVEN if you want to) pretty much EXACTLY like the services offered by the competition.

only the competition offers CURRENT games, not 30 year old games we could play online on emulators for over a DECADE now.

WHERE IS THE ADDED VALUE? Legitimacy? REALLY? They offer legitimacy of something we illegally did A DECADE ago?

mariostarn
Sun Jun 17 18 03:43am
Rating: 2 (Updated 1 time)

I mean that these games are RENTALS and can NOT be played once the subscription is over

Care sharing the source on that statement? The whole idea of being downloadable and playable offline means that they can't check whether or not the subscription is still valid. As long as they remain on system memory there's nothing impeding them from being playable and no indication of there being any limiters.

only the competition offers CURRENT games, not 30 year old games we could play online on emulators for over a DECADE now.

The competetion's service also costs 3x as much as this one. You can't complain that the competition offers more when this service costs a fraction of the price a PSN/XBL subscription does. You get what you pay for.

WHERE IS THE ADDED VALUE? Legitimacy? REALLY? They offer legitimacy of something we illegally did A DECADE ago?

Is Virtual Console somehow more legitimate than this? Is one type of legal emulation somehow more legitimate than the other? Is online play for titles that originally did not have this feature not added value in your eyes? In the end digital purchases are never ever truly yours. You're acquiring a license to use a piece of software, not the software itself.

I think you're overreacting for overreacting's sake.

csp
Sun Jun 17 18 03:51am
Rating: 1

Care sharing the source on that statement?

actually no because nintendo are not giving ANY specifics (love it when they KEEP getting marketing wrong) but do you really believe that someone will pay for one month and play those games offline forever? No, just like the competition, there is an internal clock that can not be changed and games are automatically locked EVEN offline when subscription ends.

The competetion's service also costs 3x as much as this one

I got 6 months gold for 20Eu on a retail store sale and for THAT money I will get 12 Xbox 360 games that are MINE even AFTER the end of the subscription, 12 xbox one rentals that are made within the last 1-2 years, some REALLY GREAT gold only discounts which will make the entire purchase worth it...oh and i will be able to play multiplayer games...that i dont really care.

its NEVER 3x trust me.

"Is Virtual Console somehow more legitimate than this? "

actually you lost me here. Nintendo are charging money on roms we DID play online illegally OVER a decade ago so I see no added value AT ALL. However to answer your point, yes the wii and wiiu VCs are more legitimate in the sense that as long as you keep backups, (and your console never dies) you can play digital games FOR EVER.

actually no because nintendo are not giving ANY specifics

So, you're making stuff up. Not a good way to give credibility to your argument.

I got 6 months gold for 20Eu on a retail store sale and for THAT money I will get 12 Xbox 360 games that are MINE even AFTER the end of the subscription, 12 xbox one rentals that are made within the last 1-2 years, some REALLY GREAT gold only discounts which will make the entire purchase worth it...oh and i will be able to play multiplayer games...that i dont really care.

Sale =/= MSRP. PSN and Xbox Live are both $60 USD for 12 months when promotions aren't in effect. There is zero indication that you can't keep these games should the subscription expire. Crystal balls aren't valid points. If you can't come up with tangible proof for something you can't claim something as a fact. Switch Online also offers discounts in case you're wondering.

actually you lost me here. Nintendo are charging money on roms we DID play online illegally OVER a decade ago so I see no added value AT ALL. However to answer your point, yes the wii and wiiu VCs are more legitimate in the sense that as long as you keep backups, (and your console never dies) you can play digital games FOR EVER.

If online play is no added value to you that's your opinion and yours alone. As for the other part, what if your Wii breaks down? What if the memory gets corrupted? Where are you going to get those games you claim you own from? The Wii Shop Channel is gone, and 3DS/Wii U eShop will be gone one day too. You never really own a digital purchase. They're just as legitimate as this. Denying facts won't change the truth.

csp
Mon Jun 18 18 03:30pm
Rating: 1 (Updated 1 time)

So, you're making stuff up. Not a good way to give credibility to your argument

oh I am sorry because nintendo are not stating the obvious and some "positive thinkers" get confused. These are rentals plain and simple, you want to wait it out for a proper announcement suit yourself. The way nintendo are handling this is beyond idiotic.

Sale =/= MSRP. PSN and Xbox Live are both $60 USD for 12 months when promotions aren't in effect.

when you get microsoft themselves offering great discounts three times a year on gold, you CAN play online with much much less.

Switch Online also offers discounts in case you're wondering.

and this is an ignorant statement from soneone who has not seen what the competition offers. 20% is NOT a sale, both companies offer many 50% offers with microsoft regularly offering 70 and 80% offers. Nintendo's "sales" are a waste of my time.

f online play is no added value to you that's your opinion and yours alone

still refusing to understand. 1)online play is OLD NEWS for people using emulators 2)these are RENTALS which means you stop paying you stop playing, FAR LESS "legitimate" than owing a digital version of the game and yes consoles break down...DISKS also get disk rot, your point is what exactly? That entropy wins? Rentals are rentals, you own NOTHING.

mariostarn
Mon Jun 18 18 04:19pm
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oh I am sorry because nintendo are not stating the obvious and some "positive thinkers" get confused.

And yet you keep refusing to back your claims up with any proof other than "Nintendo are idiots because I say so"
when you get microsoft themselves offering great discounts three times a year on gold, you CAN play online with much much less.

Promotions which don't apply for long periods of time, are usually applicable in select regions, and that only benefit the people that are aware of it on the first place. Also, you're acting like if there's never going to be any sort of promotion/discount for this service ever.
and this is an ignorant statement from soneone who has not seen what the competition offers. 20% is NOT a sale, both companies offer many 50% offers with microsoft regularly offering 70 and 80% offers. Nintendo's "sales" are a waste of my time.

You said it yourself. A waste of your time. You are not the masses. Your opinion is yours alone.
still refusing to understand. 1)online play is OLD NEWS for people using emulators

By your logic Virtual Console itself and the act of emulating video games is old news for anyone who has ever used an emulator. What exactly is your point? Under your faulty logic offering any means of playing these games under any sort of business model is "old news" and thus entirely pointless.
2)these are RENTALS which means you stop paying you stop playing, FAR LESS "legitimate" than owing a digital version of the game and yes consoles break down...

Once again refusing to present proof or evidence to back your claims. Your pessimism is not verifiable proof.
DISKS also get disk rot, your point is what exactly? That entropy wins? Rentals are rentals, you own NOTHING.

You sure fail to understand the concept of a digital download. You acquire a license to use a piece of software, not a copy of the software itself, and there is a reason why there are so many people adamant about the idea of an all-digital future, and that's because the moment you lose access to your account, the title gets taken down due to legal issues, or the online store servers go down for whatever reason you are in risk to lose your purchase. No refunds, no legal way to retrieve it should something go down, and no proof that you ever owned it.

i just love it when nintendo dont care and people still believe it will work out better than it will. We can have the conversation when the bloody thing launches then because apparently being supportive of the company requires no citations whatsoever. double standards much?

You said it yourself. A waste of your time. You are not the masses. Your opinion is yours alone.

preferring 80% discounts? Even if i am not the masses, I am definitely smarter with my purchases.

By your logic Virtual Console itself and the act of emulating video games is old news for anyone who has ever used an emulator. What exactly is your point? Under your faulty logic offering any means of playing these games under any sort of business model is "old news" and thus entirely pointless.

they offer 30 year old games as rentals to ENTICE players to subscribe. THAT is the ridiculous part.

Once again refusing to present proof or evidence to back your claims. Your pessimism is not verifiable proof.

and yet optimism (especially coming from people who have not been long time fans and are a bit ignorant on how nintendo does things) is more valid for some reason.

You sure fail to understand the concept of a digital download.

Oh i do. I just do not like paying to play on a timer and when people realize the problem of rentals, it will have become the only option streaming games on empty boxes with only a wifi card inside. But...something about optimism again

look, if you see value on this crap, good for you. There are other long time gamers though who see none because the competition offers a lot more for the money they ask.

mariostarn
Mon Jun 18 18 07:45pm
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We can have the conversation when the bloody thing launches then because apparently being supportive of the company requires no citations whatsoever. double standards much?

Yes. Last time I checked having an opinion didn't require citations. Also, I did give you a source for my point, yet you have given me no sources for yours. Opinions=/= Facts.

and yet optimism (especially coming from people who have not been long time fans and are a bit ignorant on how nintendo does things) is more valid for some reason.

You sure like to jump to assumptions. I don't have to post my collection of Nintendo home and portable systems or the original Game Boy I've owned since I was a child to prove my credentials. It's that flawed line of thinking that "I'm a longtime fan, therefore (company/creators) should cater to MY demands!" the reason why fanbases are full of entitled people who think their opinions represent the majority and then get mad when companies don't listen to their very specific group. I've been a fan of Nintendo for over twenty years and I don't have the ridiculous mindset that somehow that makes my opinion more important or truthful than the rest of the consumer base.

And for the record I never did once ever mention in this whole debate whether a proposition of the service is good or bad. You have reached the conclusion that anything other than negativity is being "optimist".

Oh i do. I just do not like paying to play on a timer and when people realize the problem of rentals, it will have become the only option streaming games on empty boxes with only a wifi card inside. But...something about optimism again

Once again you have decided these are rentals despite having no proof that they are. Of course, when you have already decided your thoughts on something before even hearing details/opinions it's impossible to convince you otherwise.

look, if you see value on this crap, good for you. There are other long time gamers though who see none because the competition offers a lot more for the money they ask.

This whole debate was never about what are our personal opinions on the service. It was about you complaining that the NES games were online only when they aren't. Only when proven wrong you started bringing other things up.

But... What about DS and gba?

This means Nintendo has no reason to not have NES games in Animal Crossing

enthropy
Sat Jun 16 18 05:15am
Rating: 1 (Updated 1 time)

Well if they get GC games on it like F-Zero WITH online I think a lot of Nintendo fans would jump through the roof of joy.

Too bad we wont get Killer Instinct with online though.

which is ironic because KI complete costs NOW 10eu digital including both KI arcade games making the entire discussion pointless...

rudyc3
Sat Jun 16 18 05:28am
Rating: 1

I wouldn't be so worried if I knew that other past systems are going to be supported as well. For now it's NES, NES this and NES that. I believe SNES got mentionned very early on but not anymore now. Other systems were flat out left out of any announcement too AFAIK. If it's limited to te NES, then it is crap. If we don't get to keep these games permanently and indefinitely, as in they'd take some in and out, that'd be crap too. if all consoles are planned to be eventually included and we do get to keep those already downloaded forever, then I'd be satisfied since you could look at it as a free bonus service in addition to being able to play Switch games online.

Sat Jun 16 18 05:44am
(Updated 1 time)

We'll see . . . but if it's like ten legacy Nintendo-only games a year with some online functionality added then it's not the frikin' Virtual Console.

Sat Jun 16 18 06:31am
(Updated 1 time)

These same complaints every time it comes up may all be for nothing and I suspect they will. ‘Legacy content’ doesn’t sound limited to just 8 or 16 bit games

Give me Mystical Ninja 64 and I don’t care what you call the service.

I’d prefer a Spotify/Apple Music model where you can stream in wifi zones but be able to download them to play them offline

It was already confirmed that you can play the games offline, check the comment of Mariostarn.

They had to find a new way to milk consumers for games they already own on older systems. They didn't want to let customers transfer their Virtual Console purchases from Wii U/3DS to Switch, like how they did with VC games from Wii to Wii U. They'd lose out on a lot of money if customers were allowed to do that.

csp
Sun Jun 17 18 03:40am
Rating: 1 (Updated 2 times)

so you assume that people will buy the same game again and again.

no, people are not THAT stupid and money does not grow on trees. While a very small fraction of gamers may want to buy ONE or TWO games again (ie to have ocarina of time EVERYWHERE) this loss is miniscule compared to having a proper platform where a gamer can show off his digital collection steam style and achievements will make many gamers willing to buy THE LESSER KNOWN games just to "complete the collection"

even having a fee for VC wiiu to switch transfer (if somewhat greedy) could work, basically, the commitment of the company to vintage gaming will make many core gamers buy a switch but their ridiculous insistence that this will cannibalize retail game sales is beyond pathetic.

now if you excuse me, I got to spend around 20 or so euros on microsoft's E3 sale that ends tomorrow, eagerly anticipating major nelson's Tuesday announcements on weekly spotlight sales

once again nintendo are failing marketing 101 relying solely on their brand equity to drive sales. suit yourselves people.!

Easy way to make everyone happy:

Release games as download for a one time price.

Release games to a game-rent-service.

Release games as a retail release.

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