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Sonic the Hedgehog movie director knows fans aren't happy and want changes, says change will happen

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As you can see above, the director of the Sonic the Hedgehog movie has spoken out about the backlash the debut trailer received. Believe it or not, Mr. Fowler says that the complaints have been heard, and changes are coming. It's hard to imagine just how much can be changed with the film, but this whole thing just got a lot more interesting!

Thanks to Andreslop24 for the heads up!

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Tags: sega, sonic

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Top Rated Comment
Thu May 02 19 07:03pm
Rating: 10 (Updated 1 time)

You know what I hate more than Sonic's design for this movie? People who complain about the people complaining about the movie. "It's a kids movie it's not made for you!" Yeah that is technically true but the movie still looks like crap. You're basically saying kids deserve crap and nothing better. Which is a sick and stupid notion that I wish would die. Pixar as well as Disney has shown you can make high quality, intellectual film that are targeted at kids but still have great emotions and themes that anyone can enjoy.

I look at films like Up, Toy Story Trilogy, How to Train Your Dragon, Inside Out, Frozen, and hell even the MCU to an extent as the high standards at what modern "children films" should strive to be. This looks to be on the same quality levels of like Minions, Boss Baby, the Ice Age films, Cat in the Hat (2003). Kids deserve so much better than this. Make kids smarter not dumber.

I don't see how they can change Sonic's design at such a late stage. It never should have got to this point anyway. This fan-made alternative was on Twitter within hours of the release of the trailer.

https://twitter.com/EdwardPun1/status/1123261756048953344

Doesn't this look so much better? I think so.

I think the one on the right still looks really bad

It's not perfect, but it's a step up from the one on the left.

Do they have enough time to make many changes? Reshoots and re-doing CGI takes time.

Actually, because Sonic is CG... could they just change the model, and maintain the rigging? Maybe with a few adjustments of course... but reshoots wouldn't be necessary for the sonic design aspect

It's possible for them to keep the rigging, but with the high likelihood of changing his proportions and especially his facial structure they probably won't want to. But you're right, this kind of change might not need any reshoots, so at least there's that.

All changes obviously take time and work. Changing Sonic’s face shouldn’t be a problem. But if they want to go about changing his body proportions, it gets a lot more complicated. I doubt they’re going to do any reshoots, so they have to make it work with existing footage. So the difficulty and scale of changes depend on how much Sonic interacts with real life objects and people.

They might be able to use the same basic rig, but facial animations would need to be completely redone if they change his mouth and make the eyes bigger and different shape. All animations would of course need to be finetuned and rendered again, but that’s the least of their worries.

hyliansane
Thu May 02 19 06:19pm
Rating: 1 (Updated 1 time)

I think it's completely ridiculous that it has come to this point. The movie looks fine. They shouldn't change anything about it. Movie adaptations don't always have to be exactly what they are based on and rarely are. "Fans" should be ashamed for complaining about it so much, especially considering we have sat through 20 years of crappy Sonic games and "fans" haven't raised as big a fuss over that. And this is coming from a guy who has been with the series since day one and a pretty big fan of the classics in particular. I'm so sick of reading doom and gloom articles about this movie. Just let it be and stop whining.

groose
Thu May 02 19 09:41pm
Rating: 4 (Updated 1 time)

You know what's more annoying than whiners? People who whine about whiners, especially when the thing being "whined" about has made a lot of people very unhappy.

Movie adaptations don't always have to be exactly what they are based on and rarely are.

The Lord of the Rings and Harry Potter film franchises didn't have to be faithful to the books, but I sure am glad to live in a world where some directors care about the source material they are adapting, aren't you?

"Fans" should be ashamed for complaining about it so much, especially considering we have sat through 20 years of crappy Sonic games

20 years of crap, huh? In whose opinion? The critics who gave high scores to Sonic Adventure, Sonic Adventure 2, Sonic Heroes, Sonic Colors, Sonic Unleashed, Sonic Generations, and Sonic Mania?

"fans" haven't raised as big a fuss over that.

You are clearly not well acquainted with the Sonic fandom, despite saying you've been with the series since day one. I have been a fan since the mid-90s and part of the online fandom since the late 90s, before the first Sonic Adventure was even out. Believe me when I say fans "fussing" over new games and adaptations is nothing new.

hyliansane
Fri May 03 19 04:33pm
Rating: 1

You know what's more annoying than whiners? People who whine about whiners, especially when the thing being "whined" about has made a lot of people very unhappy.

Spoken like a true whiner. First off, Sonic's look needs to fit a real life movie adaptation, which it does IMO. Secondly, crying about said design choice is null as the movie will be what it is regardless.

20 years of crap, huh? In whose opinion? The critics who gave high scores to Sonic Adventure, Sonic Adventure 2, Sonic Heroes, Sonic Colors, Sonic Unleashed, Sonic Generations, and Sonic Mania?

In mine, obviously. And in many who cared about the original formula. The same fans who got super pumped when Sonic 4 was announced only for it to come out a huge dump fest. Sonic Mania was fantastic because it went back to the series' roots. Every other game you mentioned was sub-par at best. Heroes and Unleashed were abominations, Colors was only good because it was the better of the 3D games that have came out, and Generations was only good, ONLY because it was half inspired by the classics that made Sonic a name before games like Adventures came by and started to tarnish it. And yeah, I know a lot of people like Adventures 1 and 2, but it was far from perfect and a damn near chore to fully complete. Same boring quests over and over with every character, combined with tons of bugs, glitches, and horrible voice acting. Adventure is way overrated and every other 3D Sonic game thereafter was doing nothing more than trying to build on an already mediocre experience.

You are clearly not well acquainted with the Sonic fandom, despite saying you've been with the series since day one. I have been a fan since the mid-90s and part of the online fandom since the late 90s, before the first Sonic Adventure was even out. Believe me when I say fans "fussing" over new games and adaptations is nothing new.

Well, good for you! It doesnt take constantly reading up on garbage Sonic games year after year to know they are garbage. The day the trailer dropped for Forces I knew it was gonna be a dumpster fire and it was. I know what kind of scores the games get and I know why they get those scores. And I also know that there hasn't been a more hyped, more praised Sonic game in the last 20 years until Mania.

I know the fans fuss over the games, obviously there's a lot to fuss about. My point was that there hasn't been as big of a fuss rose over any single game in the series as this movie, which is completely immature and childish as you clearly have proven to be. "Cry, cry, cry... I can't have exactly what I want and God forbid they make something that can capture an audience outside of super nitpicky gamers."

Conclusively, this movie will be what it is regardless of Sonic's look. The only thing that might happen is they make him too cartoony, too inspired by his video game design to where he feels completely out of place and then you end up with worse than what it started out being.

hawk
Thu May 02 19 06:19pm
Rating: 1

The possibility of late-term changes surprises me as well. But I suppose it's possible. At least it's only one character and not every special effect throughout the movie. I'm going to be a bit weird and admit that I might have enjoyed watching Total Abomination Sonic, just to soak in the badness.

One other note: This change is HIGHLY noteworthy. We've had a string of big movies get really bad reactions from the audience, and the go-to defense lately has been "FANS ARE TOXIC!" or "YOU JUST HATE WOMEN!" I really appreciate that Jeff Fowler and Paramount are taking responsibility and making changes instead of taking the easy way out.

You say that like fans aren't toxic and don't hate women.

hawk
Thu May 02 19 06:44pm
Rating: 3

Most aren't, and most don't.

mock turtle
Thu May 02 19 07:10pm
Rating: 1 (Updated 1 time)

I take it you haven't perused the GameFAQs message boards recently.

See that's the thing, you pick one specific minuscule subset that makes them look like shit, and you maximize that, pretending they represent all fans, because that narrative is more comfortable for you.

mock turtle
Fri May 03 19 04:23pm
(Updated 1 time)

Okay well first of all, I was being hyperbolic for the sake of humor. I could've responded to it in a more serious, academic manner, but I was tired.

Second, never did I say that it was all fans. Nor did I say that GameFAQs users represent all fans. There are fans of everything which ruin a fandom. For example, I love RuPaul's Drag Race, but there are a lot of nutcases on Twitter who will send death threats to the queens on the show over the pettiest, stupidest things. I love Rick and Morty, but when I say as much, the default is people won't think I like sci-fi and nihilism, they'll think I'd throw a tantrum in a McDonald's over Szechuan sauce. I love My Little Pony, but in turn, that conjures images of a neckbeard who masturbates to plastic horses instead of a cartoon enthusiast who enjoys friendship and magic. Any fan group is defined by its worst eggs; you can fight against that perception, and it's good to do so, but not acknowledging the problem doesn't mean it's not there.

In terms of geekery at large, there is still no better example than Ghostbusters 2016. The collective amount of outrage simply because it starred four women was absurd. I'm not even talking about post-release, when people had a chance to judge the film on its own merits; I'm talking about the day one vitriol that got so bad Leslie Jones was bullied off Twitter. Now, am I saying that Ghostbusters 2016 critics are all misogynist? No. However, to say that a significant, perhaps even majority subset of the critics were not driven by misogyny is ridiculous. You want to go back even further to something specific to Nintendo, remember Spyborgs? It was announced as a Saturday morning cartoon-styled brawler, and fanboys lost. their. shit. This resulted in the game getting rebooted, losing its personality, and coming out as a thoroughly mediocre game. Were those people representative of everyone? Well, at the end of the day... did it matter?

My point is that more often than not, a lot of criticism online is made in bad faith and usually driven by some manner of personal, often malicious bias. As such, when people respond to those bad faith criticisms with defenses like "fans are toxic" or "you hate women," it's often because, even if it's not everybody, it's still, on some measure, true.

Oh, and for the record, in terms of the Sonic movie specifically, I don't think these arguments were in bad faith. They were certainly amplified due to its proximity to Detective Pikachu, which did it so, so right compared to Sonic's so, so wrong, but in this instance the outrage was more justified than now.

The other version should be a Blu Ray feature.

So it's Alita: Battle Angel all over again, only in response to something much worse. I feel bad for the CG artists, but clearly Paramount is predicting a disaster and adjusting course accordingly... although they really should've predicted it in the concept art phase.

I think the crux of the issue is Paramount and SEGA have gone and made a movie for kids (which is fine) and haven’t made a movie for those who were grew up with Sonic.(the complainers)

I wasn’t a SEGA kid so have little to no nostalgia for Sonic but I still think the movie doesn’t look good, even as a kids movie.

Made a movie for the kids... yet everything is "90s! Remember the 90s! The 90s exist! 90S!"

To be fair, most "90s" fans I know are too young to have been born or aware of all these cultural throwbacks that float around now....

Well this is great to hear but the fact he couldn't see how bad the design was in the first place is part of the problem. I wonder what else he's missed that's terrible about the movie. Fans can only do and say so much, and they're not the ones getting paid to make the film.

lol, that Sonic reaction pic is so perfect.
The scrapped design is already growing on me.

Bad movie Sonic will always live on in our memes.

Thu May 02 19 07:03pm
Rating: 10 (Updated 1 time)

You know what I hate more than Sonic's design for this movie? People who complain about the people complaining about the movie. "It's a kids movie it's not made for you!" Yeah that is technically true but the movie still looks like crap. You're basically saying kids deserve crap and nothing better. Which is a sick and stupid notion that I wish would die. Pixar as well as Disney has shown you can make high quality, intellectual film that are targeted at kids but still have great emotions and themes that anyone can enjoy.

I look at films like Up, Toy Story Trilogy, How to Train Your Dragon, Inside Out, Frozen, and hell even the MCU to an extent as the high standards at what modern "children films" should strive to be. This looks to be on the same quality levels of like Minions, Boss Baby, the Ice Age films, Cat in the Hat (2003). Kids deserve so much better than this. Make kids smarter not dumber.

"That's right, we're making the design WORSE!"

Just like every new 3D game, like poetry it rhymes.

Let's see what they come up with. Too bad they can't also change the story.

To be fair, once production starts (with some exceptions) the story is set in stone, the most you can do then is change some lines.

I know, that's also what I ment to say, but my wording could have been better for that.

I hope they don't think it's just the look of Sonic that is bad.

I think I can tolerate it if they fix Sonic's design. Perhaps they could also take out that Snoop Dog music and put in some Crush 40 in its place.

That’s Coolio, not Snoop Dogg!
But I agree that they should use actual Sonic music in the film.

siavm
Fri May 03 19 12:57am
Rating: 1

Most of the Pokémon in detective pikachu look like they could fit in this world. Sonic doesn’t. Even if not he looks to creepy. Since they thought that was the best they could do before the trailer was released I don’t see it getting much better. Did they not have focus groups to see if that image was ok? After they changed the legs some what after the debut picture of them they should have worked with the rest of the image. Unless they pull a sonic mania I expect a sonic and the black knight or a lot of sonic 3D level game disappointment from the movie.

Well...at least tails isn't in this right?

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