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EVO Online 2020 officially cancelled

Following multiple allegations of abuse by EVO president Joey Cuellar, EVO Online 2020 has officially been cancelled. You can see the organization's statement on the matter below.

Over the past 24 hours, in response to serious allegations recently made public on Twitter, we have made the first of a series of important decisions regarding the future of our company. Effective immediately, Joey Cuellar will no longer be involved with Evo in any capacity. We are working towards his complete separation from the company and have relieved him of all responsibilities.

Going forward, Tony Cannon will act as CEO; in this position, he will take a leadership role in prioritizing greater accountability across Evo, both internally and at our events.

Progress doesn’t happen overnight, or without the bravery of those who speak up against misconduct and injustice. We are shocked and saddened by these events, but we are listening and committed to making every change that will be necessary in making Evo a better model for the stronger, safer culture we all seek. As a result, we will be canceling Evo Online and will work to issue refunds for all players who chose to purchase a badge. We will donate the equivalent of the proceeds as promised to Project HOPE.

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sinders
Thu Jul 02 20 11:06pm
Rating: 9

Honestly I think this is why Nintendo officially stays out of the e-sports community.

It's too toxic and there's quite a few sources of drama and occasionally much worse from many involved.

Safer to just keep your distance and then if things like this happen to go down, you were never involved in the first place.

sinders
Thu Jul 02 20 11:06pm
Rating: 9

Honestly I think this is why Nintendo officially stays out of the e-sports community.

It's too toxic and there's quite a few sources of drama and occasionally much worse from many involved.

Safer to just keep your distance and then if things like this happen to go down, you were never involved in the first place.

It makes me laugh (ironically) that one of Nintendo's own Brand Ambassadors is one of the accused or sexual misconduct.

haku_firestone
Thu Jul 02 20 11:23pm
Rating: 2

I agree 100%

Similar sexual abuse claims are running rampant currently throughout the Smash Community.

Not saying that this sort of behavior speaks for the entirety of the Smash fanbase, but it's sickening that grown men and women are sexually taking advantage of minors.

If these allegations show to be true, I expect those in question to be held accountable.

It's a combination of some of the communities being like virtual frat houses, a taste of fame getting to their heads, and a lot of overlap with anime fandom, a medium (or submedium depending on how you look at it) in which teenaged characters are heavily sexualized.

Put all these together, and there will be people who feel empowered to act on their base impulses on whoever they want regardless of how the target feels about it.

I hope these incidents serve as a lesson, that such behavior is NOT acceptable no matter what, and that these communities emerge out of this with subcultures more respectful of other people. Respecting other people's boundaries and treating others like you'd want to be treated are how you behave maturely.

I know for a fact that the one causing the Evo Cancellation was proven true, as the guy who did the crimes fully confessed. I have little reason to doubt the others who are calling out those for abuse/harassment either, since a lot of those folk were known to have some sort of underground reputation of sort. Really sickening things all around.

To be fair, Nintendo likes control and make their own rules.

I may be misremembering but when they made their events there wasn't money on the prizes. Which was a thing hardcore participants didn't liked.

But yeah, I was also remembering that incident in the Madden tournament on Jacksonville and it's hard to pinpoint how these events should be regulated, since despite not being as big as regular sports, scandals happen very often.

Honestly I think this is why Nintendo officially stays out of the e-sports community.

TBF I don't think Nintendo would be that involved with it even if every e-sporter was Mr. Rogers. They get kinda weird like that about not following trends that other companies do.

Nintendo is obviously open to doing tournaments and stuff because they have before.

But they always focus on fun over competition (that's where they're not following trends), usually adding an element of randomness, or making sure there's no monetary gain to be had.

And e-sports is heavily focused on competition/prize money.

So yeah, I really can't blame Nintendo for not embracing smash as a "way of life," etc.

The Pokémon TCG competitions do have money prizes, though they're really a token amount compared to the money you'd spend to assemble a deck good enough to win a competition with (though not because it was deliberately designed that way, but that sought-after cards by competitors sell for high prices).

Some of the trophies have been sold for a lot of money though.

Pokemon TCG is not Nintendo.

Yeah, true. They're The Pokémon Company. (Nintendo's copyrights are found at the bottom of every card though, but that's more likely because it's a major owner of The Pokémon Company.)

But they always focus on fun over competition

Competition is fun though. Millions of people the world over play and love competition.

And e-sports is heavily focused on competition/prize money.

I don't think "competition/prize money" is the reason why the Smash and FG communities are full of rapists.

sinders
Sat Jul 04 20 10:31am
(Updated 2 times)

You're really misconstruing what I said by taking it out of context.

I pointed out that Nintendo stays out of e-sports most likely because there's too many drawn to the scene that you don't want to be involved with.

Someone stated Nintendo wouldn't want any part of it even if the scene were as pure as new fallen snow.

And I pointed out that's highly unlikely, as Nintendo does hold similar events but deliberately makes sure they don't draw the same crowd in by focusing on the opposite of the average e-sports scene. I didn't say competition wasn't fun, but that fun is on focus over competition.

I never said nor suggested either of the things you are implying I did.

And I pointed out that's highly unlikely, as Nintendo does hold similar events but deliberately makes sure they don't draw the same crowd in by focusing on the opposite of the average e-sports scene.

Right but that statement doesn't make sense because you're not explaining why it is you think "the average" e-sports scene draws pedophiles or how removing prize money and competition is supposed to keep away them away.

It also doesn't make sense because most of the worst offenders still attended those "focused on fun" Nintendo events anyway.

sinders
Sun Jul 05 20 06:05pm
(Updated 3 times)

I didn't say the average e-sports scene draws pedophiles, either, nor did I say none of the same crowd as an average e-sports toruney ever attends a for fun tournament.

You seem to be putting a lot of words in my mouth.

I said the average e-sports scene is toxic, and toxicity breeds drama.
And that's highly due to the mentality that surrounds it. The 'serious' contenders there are trying to "be the best."
There's high stakes involved, since winning or losing is tied to monetary gain, usually of a very large amount.
Having fun isn't the focus, and that's why it breeds toxicity.
Have you ever played team based games online?
How much toxicity comes from players just trying to "have fun" and how much toxicity comes from players seriously focused on winning?
It's not always 100% one way, but there's a very very large bias.

Sure, people can take "for fun" tournaments seriously as well, and the same people that play in average e-sports can also attend.
But by and large, it's going to draw more people just in it for fun, and that changes the dynamic of the tourney scene in question.

Do you think the emotions involved in the results of an exhibition sports match are just as high as the emotions during a win/loss of the world cup finals?
That's rhetoric, because we both know the answer.

What I'm saying is all pretty obvious, I'm not sure why you're being so obtuse and twisting around my words with every reply.

I said the average e-sports scene is toxic, and toxicity breeds drama.

OK but general undefined "toxicity" is not the focus of the story we're commenting in. EVO is not being cancelled because of "drama". It's being cancelled because the organizer was outed as a pedophile. Half the Smash community didn't just get banned for life for "drama". They got banned for sexually abusing kids.

What exactly is the relevance of "emotions running high in an exhibition sports match" or whatever in a story that's specifically about people using these events (including events that Nintendo ran) to prey on minors?

The focus of your reply to me was that Nintendo wouldn't be interested in e-sports even if the participants were "Mr. Rogers."

Which isn't the focus of this article either, but you still brought it up.

And since then I've been addressing this conversation that you brought up.

So if you're displeased with the shift in topic from the original story, you only have yourself to blame here.

The focus of your reply to me was that Nintendo wouldn't be interested in e-sports even if the participants were "Mr. Rogers." Which isn't the focus of this article either, but you still brought it up.

It's absolutely related to this story. This horror show happened because Nintendo obviously didnt have any special insights into these people's true character. Nintendo was clearly working under the belief that the Smash Bros community was not full of predators. If Nintendo had even the smallest idea of what was really going on then they wouldn't have specifically invited a bunch of pedophiles to their events.

How do you look at stuff like Nintendo going out of their way to bring freaking Nairo to the 2018 Smash Invitational as a VIP and decide Yes. Nintendo was right.

They distanced themselves from every aspect of the competitive Smash scene except literally the worst parts. That's not something to be proud of.

And since then I've been addressing this conversation that you brought up.

I mean no. The conversation was/is/will continue to be about the abuse of minors going in the community. It was never about your idea that competitive games somehow leads to people being bad in vague and undefined ways.

sinders
Tue Jul 07 20 04:56am
(Updated 1 time)

You brought up that Nintendo would not officially support e-sports even if everyone was Mr. Rogers. How is that about the abuse of minors?
You said it's relevant because Nintendo didn't have insight into participants true character.
But how is that related to EVO and what's happened?
Go ahead, try and answer, I'll wait.

Again, I never said competitive video games makes people behave badly. You're the one who came up with that statement, so if anyone has to explain it, it's you.

This is like the 4th time you've put words in my mouth.

And I didn't say Nintendo *NEVER* associated with anyone who also participated in e-sports, I said they officially do not support e-sports.

These are two very different things, do you understand the difference?

You brought up that Nintendo would not officially support e-sports even if everyone was Mr. Rogers. How is that about the abuse of minors?

Mr. Rogers is a reference to an idealised person with no baggage. "If all e-sporters were like Mr. Rogers" is just another way of saying "If e-sporters weren't scuzzy pedophiles like the ones in this story and were in fact model human beings." Or to put it more simply: "I don't believe the behaviour referenced in the story had any bearing on Nintendo's stance toward the community. Since. You know. They didn't know about it."

But how is that related to EVO and what's happened?

Hey I'm fine with criticising both the EVO organizers and Nintendo because they both basically did the same screwed up thing. If you can point me to someone trying to make this a story about how good a job EVO did handled the last few years then I'll get into it with them too.

Again, I never said competitive video games makes people behave badly. You're the one who came up with that statement, so if anyone has to explain it, it's you.

Why do I have explain your argument that "toxicity comes from players seriously focused on winning." OK fine. My explanation is "That argument is wrong"

And I didn't say Nintendo *NEVER* associated with anyone who also participated in e-sports, I said they officially do not support e-sports.

OK but e-sports didn't abuse anyone. (Smash Invitational 2 time winner) Zero did. (Smash Invitational Surprise Special Guest) Nairo did. (Smash Invitational Commentator) D1 did. Choosing not to support e-sports while associating with the grossest rapist participants is the exact opposite of doing the right thing.


If all e-sporters were like Mr. Rogers" is just another way of saying "If e-sporters weren't scuzzy pedophiles...

You're saying now if you're not as upstanding as Mr. Rogers that automatically makes you a pedophile?

This is a really weird train of thought your going down now, I'm really starting to question if you're even being sincere in your own argument.

And besides, Mr. Rogers plays with puppets and coos to kids saying he wants to be their neighbor, if that doesn't sound like a pedophile I don't know what does.

Really bad example on your part.

casey
Thu Jul 09 20 03:16am
(Updated 1 time)

You're saying now if you're not as upstanding as Mr. Rogers that automatically makes you a pedophile?

That's an easy one: Nope. Mr. Rogers is just one example of a person who is not a scuzzy pedophile. There's tons of non-pedophiles that Nintendo could have chose to invite to their event as a VIP instead of Nairo.

And besides, Mr. Rogers plays with puppets and coos to kids saying he wants to be their neighbor, if that doesn't sound like a pedophile I don't know what does.

lol

Well I'm glad you agree your example was just as bad as I thought it was.

Since you're no longer talking about anything relevant to the conversation in my post you originally replied too, I guess you have nothing more to say on the subject.

Thanks for the chat.

casey
Fri Jul 10 20 04:00am
(Updated 1 time)

Well I'm glad you agree your example was just as bad as I thought it was.

If that's how you want to read that I won't stop you. Razz

Since you're no longer talking about anything relevant to the conversation in my post you originally replied too, I guess you have nothing more to say on the subject.

Hey you're the one who's switched to off-topic jokes. I'm perfectly fine continueing to talk about how Nintendo's stance toward the e-sports scene doesn't solve any problems and arguably makes the existing problems worse.

Thanks for the chat.
Thank you too. I doubt you intended it but it's really helped me to crystallise my thoughts on exactly why what Nintendo did is so viscerally repulsive.

Well I mean, so far you've just been putting your own statements in my mouth and then providing counter-arguments to those statements, so I'm pretty sure you never intended on sincere discourse anyway.

Nintendo has done pretty good with staying away from the toxic e-sports scenes, I hope they continue to distance themselves.

Well I mean, so far you've just been putting your own statements in my mouth

You keep saying that but I'm the only one responding to direct quotes here.

Nintendo has done pretty good with staying away from the toxic e-sports scenes

Like this statement here really needs an parentheses or an asterisk disclaimer that says "apart from all the pedophile rapists they invited to their events."

Wait a second. That's actually doing pretty bad!

Yeah, you quoted me out of context and then twisted even that quote into something completely different.

Was it known they were pedophile rapists when they were invited?

And besides, I said "e-sports scene."
So that means individuals are the entire scene?

Another example of you trying to twist what I'm saying into a completely different argument.

You're only having a conversation with yourself at this point, because everything you're responding to is nothing that I actually said.
It's all just stuff you noodled out of out-of-context quotes.

Was it known they were pedophile rapists when they were invited?

I believe I said earlier they didn't know. So what? Being ignorant that one is doing a bad thing doesn't turn what they're doing into a good thing. And bringing in a sexual predator to commentate an event is a bad thing.

And besides, I said "e-sports scene."
So that means individuals are the entire scene?

No but any honest evaluation of how Nintendo handles a community is always going to be inclusive of how it handles the community's specific members. You can't say "Nintendo did a good job staying away from a community" while pretending it didn't also gave the absolute worst parts of that community the red carpet treatment. That's a big thing to omit!

(For the record: My idea of a "good job" would be if they had embraced most of the members of the community except the rapists. You know. The opposite of the thing they did.)

sinders
Tue Jul 14 20 06:52am
(Updated 3 times)

So tell me, how do you avoid someone for something that no one yet knows about?

I also said "scene" not "community."
Stop putting words in my mouth, for the umpteenth time.
This is why you're having a convo with yourself, because you're replying to things no one said but you.
Please pay a little more attention.

So tell me, how do you avoid someone for something that no one yet knows about?

There have been rumours floating around about most of these individuals for years (which is something that would have been easier for Nintendo to be aware of if they paid more than the bear minimum attention). Hell. Nintendo Brand Ambassador™ Cinnpie was pulling some of her gross crap on Puppeh on camera.

(That's not to say that every rumour should be taken 100% at face value but in the presence of such rumours it would probably have been a good idea to have had better guardrail policies and supervision at these events between the large number of minors who attended and the VIPs who took the opportunity to rape them.)

I also said "scene" not "community."

Sorry English isn't my first language. From how I've heard those words used they're interchangable to me. If someone says something to me about "the indy scene" or "the fashion scene" or the "the punk scene" then I'm assuming they're referring to everything related to that subculture.

Please describe this definition of "scene" that you are using which somehow excludes the people who partake in it

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