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Treat leaks and rumors like spoilers

I understand that GoNintendo wants to report on everything Nintendo, and I absolutely admire that. However, this also means that GoNintendo reports on leaks and rumors, spreading this information to everyone that isn't supposed to see it yet. This sort of thing has ruined a lot of events already. Things that immediately come to mind are the Pokémon Sun and Moon leaks, or the Hyrule Warriors Legend leak, and there are many more examples.

I would say that there are plenty of people like me who really would like to have stayed in the dark about these things and then get positively surprised at the moment these announcements were supposed to be made in the way Nintendo intended. Now, I'm not suggesting GoNintendo shouldn't report on these things anymore. Obviously there are plenty of people that do want to see these leaks and rumors, and I also think it's important to keep up that policy to report on everything Nintendo.

That's why I want to see leaks and rumors to be treated exactly the same as spoilers. In other words, place any details behind the jump and make the title non-descriptive. So, for example, article titles would then be:

LEAK: New copyrights popped up
RUMOR: Insider with information on a new game

Instead of:

Pokémon Sun and Moon copyrights popped up
RUMOR: New Paper Mario game coming?

That should keep everyone happy. Those that want to discuss about leaks and rumors will be able to do exactly that after the jump, and those of us who want to stay in the dark can remain blissfully ignorant. I think this is especially important to consider with the NX coming, and rumors and leaks grow ever more likely and frequent.

Hm, does anyone have any input on this?

mapoo2
Tue May 24 16 01:16pm
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I don't see any downsides to this idea! I second it. I don't really have much that I can add, or do; I'm just here to say that I agree.

Thanks! Yeah, the more people who voice their opinion -- even if it is something as simple as "I agree" or "I disagree" -- the more it will help!

calling spoiler for releasing information early thus "ruining" the surprise..

...no I am not getting it. Besides, you can't call a spoiler something that may turn out to be false.

...just avoid all rumors and you will be fine.

nurio
Tue May 24 16 06:49pm
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...just avoid all rumors and you will be fine.
That's exactly the point. It's impossible to avoid it if they're not treated the same way as spoilers. You don't really know it's a rumor until you read the headline, and by then, you've read the descriptive headline and you've failed to avoid it.

Besides, you can't call a spoiler something that may turn out to be false.
You're misunderstanding here. I am asking for leaks and rumors to be getting the same treatment as spoilers. Not to have them classified or recognized as spoilers. I'm kinda thinking you only read the title and not the post and just commented on that

csp
Wed May 25 16 05:51pm
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" getting the same treatment as spoilers. Not to have them classified or recognized as spoilers"

Either my english is not that good or there is really no difference between the two. Really cant understand what the fuss is all about.

nurio
Wed May 25 16 08:08pm
Rating: 1

I'll not be the one to say your English isn't good... But there is a difference between the two.

Let's forget the whole word spoiler. Let's pretend I never used that word and abandon that whole line of thought.

What I want is for Leaks and Rumors to be hidden from plain sight so that they're easier to avoid. I want to be able to avoid these Leaks and Rumors, but that's difficult or even impossible to do if they are in the article titles.
For me, knowing a surprise beforehand ruins the surprise. I much rather want to find out the surprise during the official reveal than when reading an article title

Well, I guess that would be a nice thing to have. Even though I do not find leaks and rumours to be all that bad, I can understand where this request is coming from and I second it.

Thank you!
Yeah, I tried to make this request in such a way that should please both crowds, because I know there are just as many people (or probably even more) who don't mind leaks and rumors at all

Even if GN does decide to hide them, there'll be tons of other websites that won't hesitate to show them. It's an inevitable part of reporting gaming news and it's unavoidable, so in my opinion a leak/rumor is a leak/rumor and shouldn't be obscured due to people wanting to be completely blind to a game. If anything it should give those folks all the more reason to be mad at the ones creating the leaks/rumors in the first place.

Now if these leaks/rumors are legitimate spoilers? (Like with the Pokemon XY leak from 2013) then yes, by all means place it after the jump, but something as minor as Game Freak being incompetent to keep a trademark hidden or potential news on Paper Mario should be treated just like every other thing that gets submitted to the site. Should we hide all pictures of title screens because some folks consider that a spoiler? (Yes, some folks out there really are that sensitive. Going into a game 100% blind is one thing but to be absolutely afraid of even the most minor of details is just silly.)

And since I saw someone else bring up a similar point, I'll clarify before I continue onwards that yes, I read your entire post, and I'm happy that you are pointing out the fact that it shouldn't be removed altogether like this thread would seem to appear at first.

Obviously there are plenty of people that do want to see these leaks and rumors, and I also think it's important to keep up that policy to report on everything Nintendo.

And that's great! But hiding content based on the thoughts of a few people who want to do things their way is simply not the way to go IMO. If everyone else has no problem pointing it out in public, then why should GN? Unless again, it's a HUGE leak in the form of let's say Pokemon Sun/Moon's ending 5 months before launch. Case in point, if it's a part of gaming news and if plenty of other Nintendo sites do not cover up rumors/leaks unless they are megaton, then GN shouldn't need to do this.

What I think would be a better way for folks on here, however is an option to "Blacklist" categories of news. For example if someone doesn't want to see rumors/leaks period, they can just add the subject to their blacklist and have all stories under those categories completely invisible, while the general public and those who don't mind can see them the way they're meant to be seen.

To clarify, I have zero intention of coming across as rude, I just wanted to express my thoughts on the matter since you did say that's what we can do. If you have a counterargument, I wouldn't mind hearing it at all, since that's what these threads are for.

nurio
Thu May 26 16 02:29pm
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If anything it should give those folks all the more reason to be mad at the ones creating the leaks/rumors in the first place.
I'm not sure if I completely understand this part. Why would people have more reason to be angry at leak/rumor creators if these leaks/rumors are placed behind the jump?

Now if these leaks/rumors are legitimate spoilers? (Like with the Pokemon XY leak from 2013) then yes, by all means place it after the jump
Good. To be honest, that's the most important one. Rumors are one thing, but real leaks really hurt Directs.

Should we hide all pictures of title screens because some folks consider that a spoiler?
Nah. I think a good guideline is to check if it is something Nintendo (or other publishers) intended the information to be made public. If not, it's a 'spoiler'. So press releases, trailers, screenshots are all fair game (even if people consider them spoilers) at least in the scope of this request.

Yes, some folks out there really are that sensitive. Going into a game 100% blind is one thing but to be absolutely afraid of even the most minor of details is just silly.
Hmhmm, indeed. I'm not looking to cater to the smallest minorities on the site, but I think this is a feature quite a large part of the community can appreciate. I'm not sure of that, of course! That's also a purpose of this threat: A census. To see what everyone thinks and if it would be worth it

Case in point, if it's a part of gaming news and if plenty of other Nintendo sites do not cover up rumors/leaks unless they are megaton, then GN shouldn't need to do this.
I dunno. GoNintendo is the source of Nintendo news for me, and I imagine for many others. For those people, this would really help.
And hey, just because other sites do it one way doesn't mean GoNintendo has to do it that way too. In fact, if anything, this uniqueness is what separates one site from the others

What I think would be a better way for folks on here, however is an option to "Blacklist" categories of news. For example if someone doesn't want to see rumors/leaks period, they can just add the subject to their blacklist and have all stories under those categories completely invisible, while the general public and those who don't mind can see them the way they're meant to be seen.
That's definitely an option too! Not really a good option for me personally since I use the RSS feed, but I imagine I am really in the minority on this one and I don't particularly mind adapting if needed.
(I would still prefer to keep using the RSS too thanks to the ability to know which articles are read, and to go through articles in chronological order.)

To clarify, I have zero intention of coming across as rude, I just wanted to express my thoughts on the matter since you did say that's what we can do. If you have a counterargument, I wouldn't mind hearing it at all, since that's what these threads are for.
You did great. This is exactly what a discussion forum is for. Whether a person agrees or disagrees, there should be respect and understanding, and that's what you showed.

Maybe, just maybe, a site-wide option would be the best solution. Like, you login on the site, turn the option on and leaks and rumours are automatically hidden or placed after the jump. This way, nothing would change for normal visitors or users that did not select the option, while "sensitive" people would be covered.
Of course, this would require some sort of toggle or tag to activate the function, and some coding.

That's definitely an idea. I'm not sure if GoNintendo staff is willing to code that, though.
Heck, I don't even know what GoNintendo staff thinks. I was hoping for a reply from them to hear their thoughts

Though, personally, I hope it won't be site-wide toggle, since I browse mostly through the RSS reader!

I had really hoped for a staff reply at this point. With E3 rapidly approaching, the frequency of leaks and rumors will likely grow higher and it's more imperative to know what GoNintendo's stance on this is.
I had even sent an e-mail and also used the contact form, but I haven't gotten a reply to those either (which is why I created this thread). Is GoNintendo staff really busy, or is this something that gets ignored?

Well, E3 has passed now, and no reply yet. I still see Rumor articles pop up regularly enough, so I feel like the staff is just ignoring this? Or maybe they missed it, but other threads have been replied to, so...

Hm, and we've got one unmarked trademark leak now. It's not a big one, but still... Can any of the staff please reply?

Hey, I just saw that the Hyrule Warriors DLC leak was put after the jump! Hooray!
Now, let's hope GoNintendo will do that for all leaks (also making sure the title doesn't 'spoil' it anyway)... and maybe also with rumors.

Hmm, seems like any and all NX rumors aren't hidden in any way, which is sad. Can a staff member finally answer so that I can at least put this to rest?

It seems like RMC is handling it as leaks with "proof" (pictures of some sort) are going after the jump, while text based rumors are posted as is.

I think that's more the difference between a rumor and a leak. I still think rumors as well need to be hidden like spoilers, especially if they seem to be true

Considering he always marks them as "Rumor" I wonder if there is a way for the site admins to create a toggle setting where all headlines containing "Rumor" can be toggled to show up as asterisks and minimized

Instead of: "RUMOR - A detailed look at the Nvidia Tegra" with the content all showing, it could be "RUMOR: ********************************" with the content after a jump.

I personally don't mind, but it could be a neat compromise.

If you feel strongly about this, post in the general website thread in these forums. The mods definitely read the posts there at least.

Yeah, that's how I want it. I even looked into such a setting in my RSS reader settings, but no luck.

And thanks for the tip. I'll go do that, then. It's kinda strange, though, that only that thread is being read

How about the ability to just not show any stories of a certain category or contain a certain word in the title?

That's great, but I fear that would be a site feature and won't carry over to the RSS feed, will it?

Angel Maybe it can, maybe it can't.

If it could, I'd love this feature! As long as it doesn't filter out false positives. For example, filtering out a post with the title "Water leak in GoNintendo office. Site updates postponed for 3 days" and I'm left wondering why there are no more articles for 3 days

(Okay, not the best example, but you get the point, I think)

This is a better idea than what was originally suggested (making the headlines vague). If this doesn't get officially implemented, I'm sure you can easily write a script that replaces topics that begin with [Rumor] or some variant of that (since RMC seems pretty consistent) with asterisks.

Go to your edit profile page. On the left side there should be a link for "Custom Filters". Should do what you'd need it to do if you want to just avoid Rumors all together.

This feature hasn't "officially" been announced yet, but should function well enough. Feedback welcome.

nurio
Tue Aug 02 16 06:31pm
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Perfect! Now I'm curious how you'll manage to make this affect the RSS feed. A personalized per-user RSS feed or something?

EDIT: I need to learn to read better. It gives a custom RSS feed on that very page. Sorry!

EDIT2: I tried subscribing to it in feedly, but it says it can't find that feed. Could it be that it can't be found because it's empty since no new posts have been made since the introduction of this feature?

EDIT3: Though, accessing my custom RSS link directly in the browser returns a generic XML file with a 500 error

Annnnnd.... something already broke... working on it!

Gotcha. I'll wait it out then!

Ok, I *think* I got things fixed up now...

I added it successfully. I have no way to test it except for staying subscribed to all three feeds for now and see if a Rumor/Leak article does show up on the other 2 and doesn't show up on my personal feed. That might take a while, though!
What I noticed is that apparently the articles in my personal feed seem to be 'inserted into feedly' (no idea how to properly word this) quicker than the articles of the other two feeds. In other words, they appear higher up in my feed than the ones from the other 2 feeds, like this:


Note where the Megaton Musashi articles are in the list.

...Though, I also notice a deleted article that is appearing in the Feedburner and direct feeds, but not my personal feed. (The one about Sniper Ghost Warrior 3 coming to Wii U.) It doesn't appear to be a leak or a rumor -- at least not categorized as such. Is it a false positive, or was this a genuinely deleted article? Changing my settings still hides the article for me (even when trying to visit it directly), so I'm thinking it's a genuinely deleted article...

I actually like that about the RSS feed. The mistakes (typos in the title, etc.) are still documented so I have a bit of a history of the article, so that if people are talking about a typo in the title (that has later been fixed) I know they're not crazy

Hmm, I feel like I'm being a bit confusing and convoluted here. Sorry, English isn't my primary language, and if it gets technical like this and I need to explain things, I sometimes struggle a bit

My guess is things *should* be working as intended. The user-specific RSS feed is coming directly from the site (unlike the feedpress.me in-between which is what the main RSS feed uses currently). Accessing the direct user feed pulls stories in real time so it would be the most up-to-date feed.

Also note that the filters you set are only for the main page of the site and the RSS feed. You can still go to the individual category links at the top of the main page of the site or do a search on the right side of the page and view stuff unfiltered.

Okay, can confirm. I saw a Rumor post in the other 2 feeds, but it wasn't in the personal feed. Also visiting the site itself hides it from the main page. I still see it in the sidebar under "Recent Comments", though.

I also hope it won't block any false positives and/or let through any false negatives. But that's more up to RMC (or whoever posts) to properly tag and use the right words in the title.
I'm just afraid it will block something like:

What was previously a rumor is now announced!
Or let through something like:
Copyright for a new unannounced game surfaces

Glad to hear it's "working" well enough.

As far as stuff in the sidebar goes, the primary point of this feature is to curb the "firehose" of "news" that comes through the main page and RSS feed to conform to your preferences. The rest of the site will act as normal, including selecting a category filter at the top of the main page, the promoted content at the top, notifications, "forum" topics, and searching. You can also still physically go to any story you want if you know the url.

You are correct that false positives/negatives are on RMC to properly label stuff appropriately.

Do you have any kind of direct contact with him? I actually tried messaging him but to no avail. I want to ensure that I won't really be missing anything big, while also not getting 'spoiled' of anything big that's not supposed to be known yet

Earlier today, I saw a post in the recent comment section titled: AMD Secures Work Order for NX Development. There were quite a few comments for it. However, everytime I clicked on the story, it redirected to the GN homepage. I also couldn't find the story in the recent blog posts or through the search history. Any ideas on where that story went?

Here is the url from the comment I clicked on: gonintendo.com/stories/263183-amd-secures-work-order-for-nx-development?page=1#comment-86267

Usually when that happens, it means RMC published the story (which updates all RSS feeds, recent comments, etc) but then removed the story later on, which invalidated the links. The recent comments section is cached for about 10-25 minutes so those old links still show on the site until the cache is busted.

As far as to WHY he removed it, that's something you'd have to take up with him.

I think we've got enough features to properly handle the content we publish (spoiler tags, after the jump links, even a feature to completely hide all stories relating to specific games or keywords you want to avoid all coverage), but if you're hoping to get any of the content formatted in a certain way, two things:

1) contact RMC (or any other story authors) directly with your request. T27duck and I can build features, but we can't force writers to use them in specific ways.

2) good luck. RMC is notoriously habit driven about how he does his publishing. Over the years I've had widely varying degrees of success nudging his habits in one way or another.

Hope that helps Smile

I appreciate the reply, but it's also a bit of an odd one, because this was a thread originating from a time before tag/category/keyword filtering existed, and that's why I requested for anything against spoilers. In fact, the filtering is exactly a topic that's being discussed in this thread between me and T27Duck, and I don't know if this kickstarted the filtering system, but it was soon introduced after this thread.

And thank you for that feature! I've been relatively spoiler-free ever since. Now, as for the individual points...

1) I did contact him through that contact form at the bottom, but I never got a reply or any indication it was read, but I have a feeling it had no impact

2) So, yep. But it's fine. The filtering already does most I need

RMC is actually doing really well keeping Odyssey spoilers hidden. I've been able to use this site like any other day and avoided spoiling anything.

Yep, same here, and I'm glad for it. So, thanks RMC for being mindful, and thanks T27Duck (and maybe other developers?) for creating the filtering system, and especially for personalized RSS feeds based on those filters.

The only thing that was a bit borderline spoiler for me was the compilation of death animations, where it showed them off in the video thumbnail already. But that's no biggie at all.

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