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Molyneux struggles to see anything amazing in Wii U

A portion of an IGN interview with Peter Molyneux...

IGN: What are your thoughts on what Nintendo is doing with the Wii U overall?

Peter Molyneux: I struggle to see anything amazing coming out of Nintendo. There are a few, “Oh, that’s smart,” but there’s nothing that makes me rush out as a consumer to buy the new device. I’ll give you a great example of how tech should be used. It’s what Nintendo did with the Wii when it first came out. They introduced motion control. They were one of the first companies to introduce motion control and they had a fantastic Wii Sports Game. As soon as I picked up the controller and started waving it around, I got it. I already understood it. But I’m not sure there’s a same sort of application out there for Wii U. I think to myself, “Well, what’s the reason to get it?” Do you see what I mean?

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09 Nov 2012 12:04

Rsmith7 wrote:Meh, so he don't see anything amazing about the Wii-U, big freakin deal. It his opinion. But then, all this is coming from a well known notorious game designer who's somewhat a joke in the gaming community. Other words, should his opinions bother anyone of us? Move along folks, nothing to see here.


exactly. why should another person's opinions on the wii U, no matter how negative it is, stop you from buying one and playing it? and honestly, i've never heard of this guy, but then again, his track record of titles isn't particularly noteworthy itself.
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09 Nov 2012 12:18

that's funny cause I have Xbox 360 and I think all his games are nothing amazing!

if he can't see anything amazing about wii-u he has no imagination and I wouldn't want him making game for any console.l
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09 Nov 2012 12:28

without jumping onto the Peter Molyneux hatewagon.....a few reasons the wii u is in fact innovative, unique, and a great value to consumers:

1.) Off-TV play- this has never been offered before in a home console in a way that actually works smoothly. As a parent who has to "share" the glorious HD TV in the house with family members, this was the first thing that caught my eye as it was being explained in E3. This was a huge seller to someone like me who may want to play some games in peace nestled on my lazy boy chair with headphones playing games like new super mario bros U or COD while the kids watch a movie. Truly unique and you can't do this well on any other platform, with everything you need in one box, off the shelf.

2.) Nintendo TVii- a remote for ALL your television needs offered for free without subscription to Nintendo. programmable TV integrated into a videogame console on a slick touch screen device isn't offered anywhere else, all your shows streamed to one device without having to deal with multiple apps. again, huge applications for households where alot of people use online streaming services AND regular cable as a source to their TV programs. Definitely great value.

These stick out above anything else offered in the market today or in the near future. People who have been buying Nintendo know already, that they will be getting all the latest games for their favorite franchises (Mario, Zelda, Metroid ect). The next 6 months of games slated for release has pretty much something for everyone with more and more developers becoming interested in the console it seems as we get closer to launch. This isn't some riddle or puzzle to figure out, i mean, its a videogame console for crying out loud. the demo machines are out now and i'm sure fully playable games will be more prevalent through the first year for anyone to try it out and see for themselves. Nintendo has been pretty good at proving their place in the games market place generation after generation and this next gen will be no different.
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09 Nov 2012 12:59

zombiedsz wrote:without jumping onto the Peter Molyneux hatewagon.....a few reasons the wii u is in fact innovative, unique, and a great value to consumers:

1.) Off-TV play- this has never been offered before in a home console in a way that actually works smoothly. As a parent who has to "share" the glorious HD TV in the house with family members, this was the first thing that caught my eye as it was being explained in E3. This was a huge seller to someone like me who may want to play some games in peace nestled on my lazy boy chair with headphones playing games like new super mario bros U or COD while the kids watch a movie. Truly unique and you can't do this well on any other platform, with everything you need in one box, off the shelf.

2.) Nintendo TVii- a remote for ALL your television needs offered for free without subscription to Nintendo. programmable TV integrated into a videogame console on a slick touch screen device isn't offered anywhere else, all your shows streamed to one device without having to deal with multiple apps. again, huge applications for households where alot of people use online streaming services AND regular cable as a source to their TV programs. Definitely great value.

These stick out above anything else offered in the market today or in the near future. People who have been buying Nintendo know already, that they will be getting all the latest games for their favorite franchises (Mario, Zelda, Metroid ect). The next 6 months of games slated for release has pretty much something for everyone with more and more developers becoming interested in the console it seems as we get closer to launch. This isn't some riddle or puzzle to figure out, i mean, its a videogame console for crying out loud. the demo machines are out now and i'm sure fully playable games will be more prevalent through the first year for anyone to try it out and see for themselves. Nintendo has been pretty good at proving their place in the games market place generation after generation and this next gen will be no different.

QFT
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09 Nov 2012 13:07

The man can't see much of anything, because he's far too absorbed in just how "amazing" and "innovative" HIS next game is going to be. :roll:
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09 Nov 2012 13:08

jlatimer11 wrote:
GoNiners wrote:Nintendo's console strategy from the very beginning:

Innovate - NES
Improve - SNES
Innovate - N64
Improve - Gamecube
Innovate - Wii
Improve - Wii U

No "even-numbered" Nintendo console has been particularly revolutionary. Why should anyone expect that from the Wii U?

Like it says in the Japanese commercial, Super Wii = Wii U.


Wasn't the SNES controller the first gamepad with shoulder buttons which is standard on every console nowadays?

What exactly did the 360 innovate? PS3? Sony tried to innovate with the PS2 EyeToy and it flopped miserably. We'll not mention 3D.

What exactly are the next generation offerings from Sony and MS going to do? How are they going to 'innovate'?


I'm not sure if all of those questions/comments are directed at me, but I'll address the first one.

Yes, the SNES controller was the 1st to have shoulder buttons. In my opinion, that's more of an improvement in the sense that it's not as innovative as the D-pad. The D-pad introduced a fundamental gameplay mechanic that had a wow-factor to it. As did the analog stick. As did motion control.

Based on Nintendo's history, I don't think we should expect a D-pad, analog stick, or motion control caliber of innovation every 5-6 years.
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09 Nov 2012 13:08

LSF22 wrote:i can't stand this guy. he acts like if you put two screens in front of him he wont know what to do. its really not that difficult but he likes to make it sound that way.

You'd be surprised. This isnt like the DS, I have found watching both screens to be quite difficult. Anytime I use the tablet I find myself wishing it was just a standard controller. It makes multiplats like AC and ACIII more difficult.
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09 Nov 2012 13:13

He has a point, there is no killer app on the console yet, I even forgot it releases this month! :shock:

I remember getting the n64 with Super Mario 64, the game justified the purchase and showed off what the console can do, the gamecube had Luigis mansion to justify its purchase, the Wii had wii sports which showed what the wiimote could do.

The WiiU?
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09 Nov 2012 13:18

tunaks1 wrote:He has a point, there is no killer app on the console yet, I even forgot it releases this month! :shock:

I remember getting the n64 with Super Mario 64, the game justified the purchase and showed off what the console can do, the gamecube had Luigis mansion to justify its purchase, the Wii had wii sports which showed what the wiimote could do.

The WiiU?

Nintendoland is fun.... assuming you like mini game compilations and have 3 other roomates that are equally big Nintendo fans. Otherwise I cant think of anything thats not already out in (and better on) PS3 besides Zombiu and Ninja Gaidan 3. Not that either of those are AAA either.......
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09 Nov 2012 13:24

I struggle to see anything amazing in his latest iOS creation 'Creativity: What's Inside the Cub'. What a total waste of time!
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09 Nov 2012 13:27

monkeymagic wrote:I struggle to see anything amazing in his latest iOS creation 'Creativity: What's Inside the Cub'. What a total waste of time!


I must have missed that. Never heard of. D:
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09 Nov 2012 13:31

-52? we need to go lower
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09 Nov 2012 14:16

bszelda wrote:What's the reason to get it? Having fun with games. That's the reason for getting it...


This. Can't stress this enough.
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09 Nov 2012 15:04

Oh Peter Molyneux. You're, like, my favorite comedian ever. I'm sorry nobody else gets your deadpan British humor where you act unimpressed at anything you haven't done while promising every game you make will cure cancer, then apologize every time it doesn't. Some people don't get it. I do.

Still, he's just tricking you all. I expect Molyneux will announce his new Wii U exclusive at next year's E3, codenamed "Molyn-U". It'll be great. It may even cure cancer.
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09 Nov 2012 15:40

well it has already been said about the amazing in his games . But still to me he will always the biggest liar of all with that milo demo and suddenly all the journalists now know that it was all bs . Funny how it wasn't back then , how they created a real scifi AI , and only possible through the magic computational force of kinect , that was missile guiding part 2

And to be perfectly honest , i don't see the visceral appeal , but it would have been superb to have that growing up . Now five players it's quite impossible for me . But i also don't see the appeal of his games or any fps or any cinematic games so i'm sure i'm going to decrease the amount of times over the years
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09 Nov 2012 16:03

Molyneux struggles to understand why only he thinks he's video game Jesus anymore.

Sir, you've just released the biggest, most egregious waste of time and money ever devised with that Curiosity... thing. You have no right to question anyone else on a creative level.
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09 Nov 2012 16:22

zeeroid wrote:-52? we need to go lower

Anything with Peter Molyneux deserves any amount of thumbs downs, boos, and insults it gets. This guy hypes up how great everything he makes is, and then it all turns out to be either garbage or pure lies.
Johnknight1 wrote:"Molyneux struggles to see anything amazing in Wii U" is the title of the article.

IMO, the title should be "Molyneux struggles to see anything amazing in Wii U; gamers struggle to see anything amazing in Molyneux."

Pretty much this. Yes, I am quoting myself.

And to further prove my point, I have two words for you... Fable 3... ...DLC! OH! BURNNNNEEEDDDD!!! (3 is a number, so it doesn't count)

Really, innovation is important, but you don't need to turn water into wine. Nintendo is using a proven formula. Regardless of anything, innovation doesn't matter compared to building up a great library. Quite frankly, Nintendo knows how to build up a great game library for a console, something that Molyneux clearly doesn't know how to do. At all. Seriously, since Fable 1, he hasn't made a half-way decent or challenging game (yes, Fable 2 was childishly easy and had God awful balance).
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09 Nov 2012 17:37

He's allowed to think that, but I'm also allowed to think that he hasn't been relevant in the gaming industry since Fable 1. What happened to Milo, buddy?
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09 Nov 2012 18:04

I can think of one solid overwhelming reason... Nintendo IPs.
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09 Nov 2012 18:14

I don't see anything amazing about the Wii U either, to be honest. However, I didn't about the Wii either. Motion control was never used as anything more than a gimmick in the games I played until Skyward Sword. So it took Nintendo 5 years.

The Wii U just looks like Wii 2.0, but with a launch without a single title that I care for. So, yeah, I most definitely don't see anything amazing about the Wii U, and I can't even tell you when I'll become inclined to buy one. They have to prove to me that their titles won't be as mediocre as those on the Wii first.
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09 Nov 2012 19:58

Johnknight1 wrote:
Really, innovation is important, but you don't need to turn water into wine. Nintendo is using a proven formula. Regardless of anything, innovation doesn't matter compared to building up a great library. Quite frankly, Nintendo knows how to build up a great game library for a console, something that Molyneux clearly doesn't know how to do. At all. Seriously, since Fable 1, he hasn't made a half-way decent or challenging game (yes, Fable 2 was childishly easy and had God awful balance).

THIS
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Anonymous
10 Nov 2012 09:46

I want a new Black & White.

The WiiU would make playing said game very easy on a console.

I already had a better idea for WiiU than you did mister, sad day indeed.
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11 Nov 2012 02:46

Other than the games of course, what does the wii u give you that other systems currently don't? Now ask yourself, "is it really worth $350." That's $350 for an 11th hour, current gen system that will be out of date within a year?

You can trash him all you want, but he does have a point. Personally, I could care less about the game pad, other than using it as a semi portable game system. Being able to play games off it is a draw for me, but is it worth $350? Not really, it's just a nice extra. I'll use the pro controller on games like Call of Duty, and I mostly only play solo games, so most of the draw is lost on people like me.

There just isn't a compelling reason to run out and get it right now...other than a handful of launch games.
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11 Nov 2012 07:57

So you know the specs, and can afford a link? I don't think any of us here knows how out dated it will be.

Even when I'm annoyed, that Nintendo hasn't shown us any really game changing stuff about the tablet, the things that I know that would be possible to do with the pad is still much more worth to me, than 5 times as expensive GPU and processor. We don't know if any kind of appreciable step up from Wii U's graphics is available within sensible price range/sensible development costs; The Wii U might still be in the same league with other next gen consoles what comes to graphics.

And of course, theres still the Wiimote hanging around too, which has plenty of magic left in it.

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