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Phoenix Wright: Ace Attorney - Dual Destinies - Quiz DLC won't hit NA/EU

Coming from Chris over at Capcom...

"Unfortunately, the quiz DLC won't be coming to western territories since it requires an in-depth knowledge of Japanese culture."

I guess getting some of it is better none at all! Thanks to Matt for the heads up!

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27 Jul 2013 00:00

Wow, the amount of complaining over not getting quiz DLC is astounding. I didn't expect to get any of the DLC, so I couldn't care less about not getting quizzes.
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27 Jul 2013 00:06

SecondGearLuffy wrote:You guys complain way too much.


A polite version of what I think nearly 100% of the time I hit that "comments" link. I'm glad some other people on this story have been more sensible.
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27 Jul 2013 00:41

That's a bummer but as long as all the actual cases come I'm not all that bothered personally.
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27 Jul 2013 01:01

TheDreamingHawk wrote:
SecondGearLuffy wrote:You guys complain way too much.



Agreed 100%. I bet even if the DLC did make it not many would buy it.

That's precisely what I would have liked to hear Capcom say. I mean, just up and be honest about it, you know?

Though, on the plus side here, at least no one can complain about Capcom doing on-disc DLC in this case.
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27 Jul 2013 01:02

While I'm normally strongly against missing any kind of content in stateside releases, this DLC looked like the worst DLC by faaaar of the the ones' we've seen so far, so at least it's not a big loss.

We still get the costumes and whale case.
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27 Jul 2013 01:07

I'm surprised this is getting such negative feedback from the community. It sounded like a good reason to me... :/
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27 Jul 2013 01:13

TheDreamingHawk wrote:You'd be surprised how picky Capcom Japan is with some things....

Do tell.
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27 Jul 2013 01:34

It's like some pathetic, real world rendition of the Inscrutable Oriental trope.
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27 Jul 2013 01:47

I think it would've been like the mobile mystery quiz Japan got a few months ago.
http://www.forums.cort-records.net/vie ... 31&t=23845 (it keeps correcting "cort" to "cort")

No way I or any other western would've guessed it. No big loss.
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27 Jul 2013 02:15

I can't tell if everyone getting mad is being serious or not.

It's a quiz. And it costs money. And you're mad you can't throw more money at Capcom for DLC that's not even a case file.

@mbh911

You're ridiculous if you think this isn't a legitimate excuse. A decent amount of people understand Japanese culture? No they don't. I can't express to you how many people are ignorant to the culture, the country itself and most likely any of the questions in the quiz.

And if you have to look up the answers, doesn't that defeat the purpose? So you're going to spend money on DLC so you can look up the answers to the DLC?

@chambertlo

Think about this.

First of all, it's not as simple as just "Europe" and "North America". They'd have to take into account all of the different countries.

This means they would have to change the DLC to be different in EVERY SINGLE COUNTRY it supports, because obviously those from US aren't going to know answers to things about Canada or Mexico and those in one country of Europe aren't going to know about all the others. And what about Australia?

So now you have Capcom having to create entirely different DLC for at least 8 or so different cultures.

From Capcom's point of view, especially on a game that they don't think is going to sell well to begin with since they're releasing it digitally, why would it be cost or time efficient to do that?

It's a waste of time on their part, and they know it.

And if it remained the Japanese culture, most people wouldn't know the answers and would have to look it up, then they'd complain about how it was a waste of money. Everyone else won't buy it anyway because it's just a quiz DLC.

@blcdude

Why would you spend money on DLC where the whole point of it is to see how much you know, and then you have to look up all the answers online?

Not only does it defeat the point of the DLC, it makes the whole thing a waste of money.

It would ONLY be useful for those who DO know Japanese culture and I can guarantee the actual amount of people with that knowledge would be really slim.

In fact, I bet they'd just buy the Japanese version & get the DLC that way anyway.

@Chaoxys

EXACTLY.
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27 Jul 2013 02:21

mbh911 wrote:*sigh* Another lame excuse answer by Capcon

I know for a fact that there is a decent amount of people that DO understand the Japanese culture. Plus, if some of the phoenix wright fans don't understand it then they can easily research it online or they can have fun discussions about it with other die hard phoenix wright fans that have a good understanding of the japanese culture. There are even several Phoenix Wright fan sites that provide a crap ton of information and discussions/debate about all the Phoenix Wright and spin off games.

Way a great way to treat your fans Capcom, I can't wait to see what other excuses Capcom comes up with in the future for other games as well



chambertlo wrote:This is the crappiest excuse for not including the DLC. As if it is impossible to change every quiz question to suit the territory. Of course they will not include questions that require an intimate knowledge of Japanese history. But what is stopping them from changing the questions so that it pertains to EU/NA history. Lame Capcom is once again lame.



What do you think it's all going to be? Stuff like "who was the 7th something of whatever house in whenever era?"
If that was the case, it'd be the EXACT same content i it was in Japanese or English or any language. Of course anyone could look up the answers online and figure it out. No idea what the point of such a quiz would be though. And then with that, do you think that the general public in Japan would all know the answers to such things, or even find such quizzes enjoyable enough to go and and purchase or what not? Only the people that have studied such stuff would know, and that doesn't matter what language you speak in todays world.

You obviously seem to think that everything in this entire world is as it is in the English you know and that's the end of that. The sort of people that seriously think that if they read up about something, they know it as well as experiencing it.
Obviously that's just silly. But, this does happen when that is all you know your entire life. So I thought I'd make a reply to give your conscience an idea that this is in fact not the case. The world you know is not how the entire world for everyone else is.

It's not about "knowing of" it. But experiencing it daily. Common sense in the west and in Japan differs in many places. Sure, it all looks the same, with people waking up in the morning, going to school/work, doing whatever, eating, coming back, sleeping etc etc. But inside that are an infinite about of small details where you could have differences, and especially between Japan and the west, you do. What you unconsciously think is "normal" and "obvious" to you, may be very different to someone else in your own country, let alone in one as different as Japan.

Now, if some tiny DLC is completely built around the Japanese "common sense", then the only way you're going to be able to enjoy it is if you at least have the same "common sense". If that rules out 99% of the market in the west, then all you have left is the serious fans that just want to get their hands on it just so they can say they've played whatever it is. That's fine, but you can't expect a company to go to all the extreme trouble of tailoring it to the west, or just doing a quick job for the fans and have their image destroyed because everyone else in the west that touches upon it see's how terribly it's been localised.

The only realistic thing to do in this case is for you yourself to go out of your way and get a hold of it and play it, looking up whatever you want on the net. Oh, but you can't read and therefore can't type Japanese symbols? Well what about that clue that relies on a Japanese symbol? (and this is a VERY simple example) What to do in a localisation then? Spend ages lecturing the player so they can understand it all and then be yelled at that it's boring, or just say screw it and completely change the content for the western audience and again be yelled at that it's all too different. Because the west sure dooo love to complain. They want it all, perfectly, the way they see it. In that case, it probably is best to just say fuck it and not bother with it at all.

And then what? All these hardcore "fans" can't even be bothered to go out and play the available Japanese version and will only accept it being spoon fed into their mouths. But of course complaining on the internet's really simple so they all do that at the first chance they get though, right?
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27 Jul 2013 02:58

the reactions in this thread are just helping me prove that gamers dont like being told no.
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27 Jul 2013 03:05

I prefer to adopt the mentality that people don't deserve anything in the first place if they're gonna be rude.
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27 Jul 2013 03:05

Question: In Japan the Japanese call a green traffic light what color?
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27 Jul 2013 03:31

@hawthorneluke


Ah, nothing like a good ol' wall of angry text from our favorite weaboo at Gonintendo.
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27 Jul 2013 04:31

@SecondGearLuffy
@Chaoxys
@Battlestriker123
@MoldyClay
@FFXIgaiaknight

All of these basically hit upon what I wanted to say, so probably no need to rehash it.
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27 Jul 2013 06:43

bonbolapti wrote:I prefer to adopt the mentality that people don't deserve anything in the first place if they're gonna be rude.

Why would you?
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27 Jul 2013 09:28

Yay! More money not spent on DLC!!!
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27 Jul 2013 11:57

This DLC sucks though. Why do people want it. Is it just the thought? Anything that Capcom says now is negative because it isn't "muh mega man" or it has something to do with DLC.
Because you know, Mega Man wasn't milked at all.
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27 Jul 2013 12:41

@blcdude
Why would you spend money on DLC where the whole point of it is to see how much you know, and then you have to look up all the answers online?

Not only does it defeat the point of the DLC, it makes the whole thing a waste of money.

It would ONLY be useful for those who DO know Japanese culture and I can guarantee the actual amount of people with that knowledge would be really slim.

In fact, I bet they'd just buy the Japanese version & get the DLC that way anyway.
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I didn't say I would spend my money on DLC. I'm of the generation where I want the complete game when I purchase it the first time around. I'm not a fan of nickeling-and-diming consumers after they have purchased your product. I'd like the complete game for the up-front cost I'm paying. However, that's a completely different debate for a different day.

That said, I will address the matter. Who are you to judge how I or anyone else spends their money? Just like who am I to judge how you spend yours? What is a "waste of money" to one person might be a favorite book/video game/whatever of another. Different people have different opinions. Just because one person might think For example, just because I think the current Transformers movie series is a waste of time and money didn't stop Dark of the Moon from grossing over $1 billion world wide.
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27 Jul 2013 13:16

blcdude wrote:@blcdude
Why would you spend money on DLC where the whole point of it is to see how much you know, and then you have to look up all the answers online?

Not only does it defeat the point of the DLC, it makes the whole thing a waste of money.

It would ONLY be useful for those who DO know Japanese culture and I can guarantee the actual amount of people with that knowledge would be really slim.

In fact, I bet they'd just buy the Japanese version & get the DLC that way anyway.

I didn't say I would spend my money on DLC. I'm of the generation where I want the complete game when I purchase it the first time around. I'm not a fan of nickeling-and-diming consumers after they have purchased your product. I'd like the complete game for the up-front cost I'm paying. However, that's a completely different debate for a different day.

That said, I will address the matter. Who are you to judge how I or anyone else spends their money? Just like who am I to judge how you spend yours? What is a "waste of money" to one person might be a favorite book/video game/whatever of another. Different people have different opinions. Just because one person might think For example, just because I think the current Transformers movie series is a waste of time and money didn't stop Dark of the Moon from grossing over $1 billion world wide.[/quote]

Who are you to judge how Capcom spends their money to localize things?
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27 Jul 2013 13:40

Gold_Ultima wrote:
Who are you to judge how Capcom spends their money to localize things?

I'm a consumer buying their product. I have to make a judgment call on things I purchase and things I don't.

It's sort of like voting: if there are two politicians on the ballot, do you just select one randomly, or do you have knowledge on the candidate and use your judgment to determine who you vote for and who you don't vote for?
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27 Jul 2013 17:00

hawthorneluke wrote:
mbh911 wrote:*sigh* Another lame excuse answer by Capcon

I know for a fact that there is a decent amount of people that DO understand the Japanese culture. Plus, if some of the phoenix wright fans don't understand it then they can easily research it online or they can have fun discussions about it with other die hard phoenix wright fans that have a good understanding of the japanese culture. There are even several Phoenix Wright fan sites that provide a crap ton of information and discussions/debate about all the Phoenix Wright and spin off games.

Way a great way to treat your fans Capcom, I can't wait to see what other excuses Capcom comes up with in the future for other games as well



chambertlo wrote:This is the crappiest excuse for not including the DLC. As if it is impossible to change every quiz question to suit the territory. Of course they will not include questions that require an intimate knowledge of Japanese history. But what is stopping them from changing the questions so that it pertains to EU/NA history. Lame Capcom is once again lame.



What do you think it's all going to be? Stuff like "who was the 7th something of whatever house in whenever era?"
If that was the case, it'd be the EXACT same content i it was in Japanese or English or any language. Of course anyone could look up the answers online and figure it out. No idea what the point of such a quiz would be though. And then with that, do you think that the general public in Japan would all know the answers to such things, or even find such quizzes enjoyable enough to go and and purchase or what not? Only the people that have studied such stuff would know, and that doesn't matter what language you speak in todays world.

You obviously seem to think that everything in this entire world is as it is in the English you know and that's the end of that. The sort of people that seriously think that if they read up about something, they know it as well as experiencing it.
Obviously that's just silly. But, this does happen when that is all you know your entire life. So I thought I'd make a reply to give your conscience an idea that this is in fact not the case. The world you know is not how the entire world for everyone else is.

It's not about "knowing of" it. But experiencing it daily. Common sense in the west and in Japan differs in many places. Sure, it all looks the same, with people waking up in the morning, going to school/work, doing whatever, eating, coming back, sleeping etc etc. But inside that are an infinite about of small details where you could have differences, and especially between Japan and the west, you do. What you unconsciously think is "normal" and "obvious" to you, may be very different to someone else in your own country, let alone in one as different as Japan.

Now, if some tiny DLC is completely built around the Japanese "common sense", then the only way you're going to be able to enjoy it is if you at least have the same "common sense". If that rules out 99% of the market in the west, then all you have left is the serious fans that just want to get their hands on it just so they can say they've played whatever it is. That's fine, but you can't expect a company to go to all the extreme trouble of tailoring it to the west, or just doing a quick job for the fans and have their image destroyed because everyone else in the west that touches upon it see's how terribly it's been localised.

The only realistic thing to do in this case is for you yourself to go out of your way and get a hold of it and play it, looking up whatever you want on the net. Oh, but you can't read and therefore can't type Japanese symbols? Well what about that clue that relies on a Japanese symbol? (and this is a VERY simple example) What to do in a localisation then? Spend ages lecturing the player so they can understand it all and then be yelled at that it's boring, or just say screw it and completely change the content for the western audience and again be yelled at that it's all too different. Because the west sure dooo love to complain. They want it all, perfectly, the way they see it. In that case, it probably is best to just say fuck it and not bother with it at all.

And then what? All these hardcore "fans" can't even be bothered to go out and play the available Japanese version and will only accept it being spoon fed into their mouths. But of course complaining on the internet's really simple so they all do that at the first chance they get though, right?

Could have been said better, but I completely agree with this.
Many thinks they understand or know about the japanese well enough, but they never know enough. If you think you understand Japan, that means you don't understand them at all. They are perhaps the most original and alien society on this world, even if the majority of it is borrowed. That is the Japanese Paradox. (and, IMHO, that's the reason they ROCK)
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28 Jul 2013 20:40

cqallenwalker wrote:@hawthorneluke


Ah, nothing like a good ol' wall of angry text from our favorite weaboo at Gonintendo.



Angry? Perhaps it came off like that and sorry if it did, but that is not what I intended. Sure it's a wall of text, but it came to that from trying to give some other people a better idea of how such things may be.
I'm fine if your definition of "weaboo" just means someone that goes to lengths to try to explain an idea that happens to especially come from Japan (yeah I like the country, it's why I'm here), but I cannot recommend being ignorant if you assume that what I typed just exists because some random "bad mouthed" something related to Japan. All I tried to do was give my own explanation of how the situation may be, even if it's not a great one.

Zaakro wrote:Question: In Japan the Japanese call a green traffic light what color?


And this is an excellent example, because it shows how the answer if it was a basic trivia question about Japan, would be "blue", but if you dive deeper into this, you'll find that it's not simply just "blue", but how the Japanese interpret that colour slightly differently to we do in life. "greens" (as in the vegetables) are "blue" too, but you'd never hear someone Japanese then go and call them "blue", using the English word (buru-). I'm quite sure they'd simply say "guri-n", or "green".

So yeah, for a basic answer about a different culture, "blue" is the final answer and the end of it all. Of course the reality of how people think about all of that and the common sense of Japan that goes with that is what creates such trivia questions for different cultures in the first place. This is something that may need to be comprehended well in order to take a quiz for the Japanese, but the Japanese.

Elfteiroh wrote:
Could have been said better, but I completely agree with this.
Many thinks they understand or know about the japanese well enough, but they never know enough. If you think you understand Japan, that means you don't understand them at all. They are perhaps the most original and alien society on this world, even if the majority of it is borrowed. That is the Japanese Paradox. (and, IMHO, that's the reason they ROCK)


Yeah, pretty much everything I say could be said a lot better, but I'm glad it was worth at least someone's time.

I do agree with what you have there too. I never really thought about such a thing, but once hearing it, it does sound rather correct. I've been living in Japan for 4~5 years now (still not all that long at all though) and this is because I just generally like Japan, in terms of how it (as in the people and the thinking that comes from them) generally seems to suit my preferences. Yet, whenever I say such things to people that ask my why I am in Japan, I always seem to suppliment that I'm in Japan because I feel that "it suits me" with the fact that there is still SO much that I do not yet properly get the hang of.

Of course as I do not know about all the cultures of this world, I cannot say how Japan fairs and I'm sure there are plenty more just "too different" ones depending on what culture you've been used to your entire life, but coming from the west, Japan is quite different. It all looks much too similar to be all that different, yet the truth is, on sub-conscious levels, it can be very different. I wouldn't say that the majority of Japan's culture is borrowed though. I think that's quite a bit statement to make. However it does get very interesting because of how contradictory it can get in places (not in a bad way), with its great balance of ancient traditions and what is making the future of this planet.
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29 Jul 2013 18:39

hawthorneluke wrote:*SNIP*
Elfteiroh wrote:
Could have been said better, but I completely agree with this.
Many thinks they understand or know about the japanese well enough, but they never know enough. If you think you understand Japan, that means you don't understand them at all. They are perhaps the most original and alien society on this world, even if the majority of it is borrowed. That is the Japanese Paradox. (and, IMHO, that's the reason they ROCK)


Yeah, pretty much everything I say could be said a lot better, but I'm glad it was worth at least someone's time.

I do agree with what you have there too. I never really thought about such a thing, but once hearing it, it does sound rather correct. I've been living in Japan for 4~5 years now (still not all that long at all though) and this is because I just generally like Japan, in terms of how it (as in the people and the thinking that comes from them) generally seems to suit my preferences. Yet, whenever I say such things to people that ask my why I am in Japan, I always seem to suppliment that I'm in Japan because I feel that "it suits me" with the fact that there is still SO much that I do not yet properly get the hang of.

Of course as I do not know about all the cultures of this world, I cannot say how Japan fairs and I'm sure there are plenty more just "too different" ones depending on what culture you've been used to your entire life, but coming from the west, Japan is quite different. It all looks much too similar to be all that different, yet the truth is, on sub-conscious levels, it can be very different. I wouldn't say that the majority of Japan's culture is borrowed though. I think that's quite a bit statement to make. However it does get very interesting because of how contradictory it can get in places (not in a bad way), with its great balance of ancient traditions and what is making the future of this planet.

Oh, yeah, what I meant by borrowed was mostly about the "look", the superficial layer mostly. Like the Chinese characters that now means completely different things for them. But yeah, they have their original stuff too (like Shinto... that is pretty much dead to buddhism as a religion, but still permeate almost every aspect of their medias, culture and customs. Just look at Youkai Watch, the majority of the spirits are traditional monsters tied with Shinto. The same could be said for Pokemon. I can always find some Shinto reference in animes and games. Damn, I just remembered that this is just a parenthesis, I should really end it)

... Lol. When I start talking about things like that, my mind always ends up everywhere and nowhere at the same time. xD

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