"Yes, I don't play the new iterations. I have tried them, but I do not "play" them as in seek them out to play them."
I happened to be at an event where it was there for friendlies. I played it because friends brought me there to try it out, and we pretty much hated it. When I say that I "play" a game, I'm talking about the present.You don't have to assume that people are lying because they don't agree with you."
Yeah, because you can always change the meaning of words to win a debate, Amirite?
It has nothing to do with if I disagree with you, do you not know what the word "play" means?
You don't have to assume everyone that doesn't like Melee or critiques it "hates" it but you do so anyways. Projecting at it's finest.
"Smash 4 has less competitive depth than Melee, and that is undeniable, unless you're going to argue against Melee having less advanced techniques."
Won't even bother. The comparison is still stupid and unfounded. It's only "undeniable" to you because you're comparing a game you love with a game you hate.
"I will repeat myself: If you have not gone to a tournament, you may not judge the community. Realize that there are many trolls on the Internet who do not even come close to representing the scene. If you do not go and meet the people who represent our community and talk to them, you know nothing of it. I am therefore allowed to call you out on your ignorance."
I will repeat MYSELF then. You aren't allowed to tell people who and what they can have opinions on in the community, you're delusional if you think otherwise. You don't make any rules so I suggest you stop acting like you can make them. I've seen plenty of stories about Melee, Project M, and elitism, in and out of tournaments. Your chicken and egg scenario holds no weight, as has already been said. People are allowed to call YOU out on YOUR ignorance, and I'm glad to see they are doing so.
"The number of years in the metagame won't change the fact that one game has more advanced techs than the other, allowing for more strategic variety"
How do you know this? Oh wait, you don't. That is nothing but a prediction you have falsely perceived as fact.
"Mc Rainbowbrite, Swedish_Otaku, Chozoboy, etc... I can name many who seem to assume that were are in the majority as being elitists, which is wrong."
Nope, just checked, MC Raibowbrite and Swedish_Otaku and Nurio especially have countered ALL of your points. You've done nothing but bury your head in the sand when you don't have argument. You get on anyone's shit for fairly critiquing Melee. Just because YOU haven't seen people complaining about Melee's high speed does not mean those valid complaints don't exist. I hope you know Melee and Project M, are not flawless either, and no one here has said or indicated that Sakurai "can do no wrong" I personally think Sakurai is a great developer, he puts his all into his games, I admire his strong devotion to his works. Why anyone would have an agenda or vendetta against him is something I will never understand, additionally people who have a problem with other being fans of his really, really need to grow up or find something meaningful to do with their lives, because they are utter morons, plain and simple. He certainly isn't perfect by any means, he's said and has did dumb things, much like every other human being.
People only give your people shit when the select few assholes come out of your community. That's your baseless assumptions and strawmanning doing the work.
"I will however demystify any false accusations of us not liking Smash 4 meaning that we are elitists. We have VALID reasons for disliking Smash 4 and VALID reasons to want to see some features returned. Instead of folding when people try to wave my arguments off as a lunatic's rant, I call out the bull."
No you don't, people counter your points and you ignore them, much like Nurio has said. Now you're really lying, you've given off nothing but a pretentious elitist vibe. You're full of it.
"Sorry, but I don't stand there and let my friends get treated as vilains while other fandoms get off scott free treating my fandom like trash over lies"
Sounds like you're taking it VERY personally, actually. If it wasn't personal, then why are you going on a crusade for your "friends"? LOL.
"Also, my spelling errors were typoes, quite different."
Doesn't change the fact that you suck at proofreading, sorry. Oh wait, I'm not sorry
"And sure, I dislike Smash 4, but I don't hate on the fans."
Wait, I thought you said you "hated" it? Which one is it? Hating and disliking something are two different things. Or you even sure you "played" it, because you seem so confused. Lol.
Given that you have done nothing but shit on Smash 4 fans in this thread for thinking differently, I don't buy that.
As Nurio and Swedish_Otaku have said, you ignore points that don't fit your agenda and label anyone that fairly criticizes Melee and Project M a hater. You're exactly the reason people get apprehensive about your part of the fanbase. I love how you call people fanboys In this thread when you're a fanboy yourself.
Irony, something, something, etc.