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Bravely Second EU release makes sidequest choices pointless

Here's an interesting find in the EU release of Bravely Second. When you take on a sidequest that ask you to pick a specific side to fight for, no matter which side you pick, you'll always get a good ending when the skirmish is wrapped up. In the Japanese version, you could get either a good or bad ending depending on what side you picked. I have no idea why this content would be removed from the EU version, but it certainly seems a bit disappointing. Thanks to CM30 and VGAMER for the heads up.

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Top Rated Comment
Mon Feb 29 16 07:22pm
Rating: 5 (Updated 1 time)

I start to regret my purchase, because I'm simply supporting Nintendo with this madness.
How will people defend this edit now?

It's kinda funny what happened to the Bravely Second Release. In the first, it seems like the Game will come without any changes, until someone clarified the Tomahawk Class is now the Cowgirl/Boy Class for ethnic or whatever reasons. Seemed like the only change until the Release. There we found an edited Artbook with complete pages missing. That's absurd but still not a total Drama. Until a few hours ago someone looked in the files and saw how many costumes were edited. Nearly every costume was changed if it showed slightly female skin.

Well that's still nothing what affects the Gameplay until people complaining the Sidequest Choices were edited. Why? For what purpose? This is insane. What is going to happen to upcoming Games Nintendo will publish? I guess some people will still find a way to defend the new changes. But please, children, this is getting creepy.

artten
Mon Feb 29 16 07:10pm
Rating: 3 (Updated 1 time)

And people have the nerve to say things aren't being changed that wouldn't affect gameplay or story, like hell!

All the more reason some hack the hell outta their 3ds to play the original. Take notice now on how much we get censor because if NX becomes region free like Nin said, we can have access to buy them the same time Japanese players do. Watch them start making changes to Japan games where their characters will already be censor at the start of development. Because they now know we have access to buying them. When Bravely 3hird comes out on NX in Japan, Japanese players will be taking a hit as well causing them to blame the bloody west on this watch, they will cover their tracks & Nin as well watch!

artten
Mon Feb 29 16 08:09pm
Rating: 1

You definitely raise a disturbing point there, and I sincerely hope they do not. But a region free NX would be awesome.

It will be that way watch. I remember them saying reasons why the games cost so much because the middle man they have to pay. This was way before online buying came into play. Now that we can buy games online why are we still paying $60 & beyond? There is no more middle man so its 1 on 1. Then they went on to say something else to cover their tracks on that. Then free dlc became paid on some but soon it will start to hit all their games. Imo paid dlc is only ok if the original game is 100% finish w/content not cut off. Then they can go back & add stuff that makes sense.

But see, this isn't censorship.

This is just bad localizing in general.

Technically it sanitization(which falls under censorship) and bad localization, with what we have found out about the game so far.

cgsasuke
Mon Feb 29 16 07:10pm
Rating: 1

All these edits feel sickening now.

You're not the only one dude. And the worst part is to think a couple of months ago the RPG lineup for the 3DS was looking Stella, now it's looking like a tragedy.

Except, you're still getting the games, no matter how badly localized, you're still getting the games, with the majority of their content still intact.

Final Fantasy Explorers was fine
Fire Emblem had a petting game removed/altered
Bravely Second had a class change, some cleavage covering and some dumb story edits, optional story edits might I add.
Dragon Quest 8(?) and 7 are still coming

Just so you know, I do think it's dumb the story has been changed in such a way, the same way I thought it was stupid the author of Attack on Titan extended and changed his ideal ending from grim to probably happy because of popularity, but except Bravely Second all the games you're saying are a "travesty" or whatever are still there, you can still play them, and they will be almost entirely intact minus the tinniest most minuscule things.

The way you act makes it seem like the end of the world.

Except, you're still getting the games, no matter how badly localized, you're still getting the games, with the majority of their content still intact.

Wow, you know that for sure, you and your crystal ball must be working overtime, and while your at it you can give me the lottery numbers as well!

rpgargoyle
Tue Mar 01 16 06:20am
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Wow, childish and patronizing.

Except you don't need a Crystal ball to prove what I said.
Final Fantasy Explorers is out, hell it included all the DLC and what little story there is wasn't tampered with.
Fire Emblem Fates had alterations to two scenes which could've been perceived very badly by most regions, it also had it's petting game modified, this has been proven.
Bravely Second is out, hence why this whole topic exists and has been discovered.
The only two which aren't out are the Dragon Quest games, but one of those has been localised before with no hiccups.

Word from a not so bright guy to a clearly irritated little man.
Don't act like a patronizing fool using quips to try refute an argument/discussion, use some logic and facts.

artten
Tue Mar 01 16 06:45am
(Updated 1 time)

If you don't want me to be patronizing to you, don't assume you know my mind. Now run along I've got better things to do than deal with your myopic stupidity.

I'd say Fire Emblem Fates has seen a few more than two scenes changed. If you look around on the internet, you see that almost all text has been needlessly changed from the original to include... ...humor?

lemon
Mon Feb 29 16 07:13pm
Rating: 7

YOU DON'T UNDERSTAND, GUYS! The US players wouldn't understand something such as a "Bad ending", that's too japanese. It needs to be ADAPTED, not TRANSLATED.

Has this been confirmed for the US edition as well?

W/how things have been going for us lately I wouldn't be surprised at all.

cm30
Mon Feb 29 16 07:15pm
Rating: 1

Yeah, it's messed up. What's got into Nintendo with this recent censorship?

I think someone found a time machine and accidentally went back to 1992! Because all of this stinks of the mess that was the original Mortal Kombat release on the SNES.

I remember those days. Everyone in my school was BSn on Nintendo for years calling them baby when they took out the blood ect. Its all coming back to haunt them again. They need to fix this w/region free NX along w/the dev's original content.

Absolutely, but will have to wait and see.

cgsasuke
Mon Feb 29 16 08:35pm
Rating: 1

Yes we have no option but to do so. I'm keeping my hopes high that they fully turn around & show us a New improved Nin company. E3 is nearing soon & I can't wait!

This isn't censorship though.

It is editing, and it is bad, but it isn't the same thing as the costumes.

This is something worse.

Yeah it is. Still I do wonder what the implications were, since it's weird to cross something that at worse could be a glorified game over screen or a bad ending. I mean does one of your characters die? Or does something unforgivable. "We may never know" ;)

According to a topic I saw earlier, there ARE character deaths that no longer happen, as well as Edea not growing because she doesn't reflect on her decisions.

But it really doesn't make sense, and I really doubt Nintendo would be involved like people think. Fire Emblem, for example, encourages that kind of repeatability and deaths. Someone told me a character will die if they don't have a maxed support. So clearly there has to be something else at work, or whoever is in charge is insane.

People generally leave out details of more obscure things and just tell you they are gone and not what is missing. Maybe because of spoilers, but yeah.

This game has MTs right? I do wonder if we'll get either a patch or an answer, since that seems like it also takes effort. I mean, games aren't like editing a movie.

Mon Feb 29 16 07:22pm
Rating: 5 (Updated 1 time)

I start to regret my purchase, because I'm simply supporting Nintendo with this madness.
How will people defend this edit now?

It's kinda funny what happened to the Bravely Second Release. In the first, it seems like the Game will come without any changes, until someone clarified the Tomahawk Class is now the Cowgirl/Boy Class for ethnic or whatever reasons. Seemed like the only change until the Release. There we found an edited Artbook with complete pages missing. That's absurd but still not a total Drama. Until a few hours ago someone looked in the files and saw how many costumes were edited. Nearly every costume was changed if it showed slightly female skin.

Well that's still nothing what affects the Gameplay until people complaining the Sidequest Choices were edited. Why? For what purpose? This is insane. What is going to happen to upcoming Games Nintendo will publish? I guess some people will still find a way to defend the new changes. But please, children, this is getting creepy.

All the edits should have came out from day one, not one by one under our noses.

Yes that's the problem. And not even now Nintendo made any own statements. Random people who played the Japanese Version and now the European Version giving statements about the edits which were made. Or Hackers who compare the Codes of both Versions. Nintendo is some stubborn Company, I really don't like such a behaviour. It's the same with the Regional Lockout. Nintendo decides what's best for us.

Ikr, no more blue or red bill options. They shove it down our throat by force & now we are stuck in the rabbit hole forever!

I don't even mind 'censorship' all that much, but this is ridiculous. I started playing the game today and it's great. This doesn't really affect me because I'm not planning to play the game more than once, but it's still over the line.

Thank you localization department! I see that censoring anime boobs and butts just wasn't enough to satiate you anymore!

Why the hell are people bringing Nintendo into this when this is a Square Enix game? Treehouse didn't localize this or the last game.

Mon Feb 29 16 07:33pm
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Proof? Square Enix has nothing to do with both releases if I recall correct. Without Nintendo, there won't be neither Default or Second released in the West. Like I said before, the proof this is not a Square Enix Release is, there is no Square Enix Membership Code in both the Default nor the Second Box.
Besides that, Square Enix wouldn't made such absurd changes. Well they won't except the Name of the Title is Drakengard.

Well Treehouse wasn't the ones who made the changes, the games were localized to Europe first and then brought to North America months later.
http://www.siliconera.com/2013/12/16/heres-worked-bravely-defaults-english-localization/

This is the company who did localization for the first game and I can damn well bet you they worked on Bravely Second as well.

That's interesting. Well seems like Treehouse isn't the culprit here. But be sure some people at Nintendo gave the orders for this BS.

If so then blame the European branch of Nintendo at least, the company in question is based out of Italy.

Mon Feb 29 16 08:07pm
(Updated 1 time)

This is not a "Blame NoE" or "Blame NoA" Topic. It's Nintendo themselves who are to blame here. Of course they won't create two Versions for two different markets. So unfortunately EU and US have to stick with the same Versions. The problem are the people who are in charge at the Western Nintendo Branches. They should sit together with a few people from the ESRB or the PEGI. Discuss which content may cause trouble and which not. What they do right now is random, decided by people without any clue when it comes to age ratings and such stuff.

Well of course there may be another reason the decisions in the Sidequests were killed in our Version. They simply skipped them because of more work and more English Dub. So it could still be a matter of Budget. I really don't think that is the reason but I try really hard to understand this decision.

Yeah sorry, it's just that I'm annoyed at how I'm seeing people on places like YouTube immediately blaming NoA and Treehouse for some reason, when they're not even the ones who localized the game. It's like some people are trying to find a convenient scapegoat. I guess what I'm saying is I'm just sorta glad that for the first time in months I can actually say "don't blame America, blame Europe."

Anyway as you said maybe it is a budget reason, but we really just don't know. Yeah this does mean North America is just gonna get the UK version with the same alterations, though, since NoA themselves said that if NoE's willing to do the work for them then they'll just use NoE's work.

Actually, Nintendo has released different versions for EU and US in the past. Triforce Heroes comes to mind, but one of the bigger ones is Fantasy Life which featured entirely different script and names.
(Okay, so Fantasy Life isn't developed by Nintendo. Still...)

Because Nintendo is the one publishing it. Meaning, they're calling the shots on what needs to be changed to fit what the monkeys that currently at Nintendo believe fit the audience.

I know I'm probably in the minority here but... I kind of prefer this? I'm very obsessive about this stuff and I hate when you can mess things up in huge games like this one because I usually only play them once (I hate permanently missable items, for example). I feel anxious all the time and I feel the need to read walkthroughs (so I don't miss stuff) when I normally wouldn't, so I'm more likely to be spoiled. I have a better time when I don't have to worry about stuff like this.

THAT SAID, I totally understand why people are angry about this change because of how arbitrary it is. In an ideal world, they could've added the option to choose if you want the feature of not, but that'd take too much effort I guess.

Same here. I beat XenoBlade X & didn't finish someones art or Aiff mission & found out the hard way. End game you can continue going on to buy powerful Skells ect but I felt I needed to 100 things to move forward. So I restarted my game again to better fix things. The amount of hours I put into it also was a pain after finding out they didn't give us new game plus. So I felt unsatisfied by the design of the game at the end. Replay is ok but would have been higher if they added the new game plus.

Only thing that can carry over is your characters looks because you can save it from the start & load it up. I still love the game but I'm in no hurry to finish a 2nd playthrough anytime soon. I wish the collection gathering was in line like w/Zelda games where you can grab 100% in one run & feel good about it w/no stress leading up to more replays again. Those are the games I love buying due to everday life getting in the way where I know I can balance my time to do things correctly in the games.

noxide
Mon Feb 29 16 08:02pm
Rating: 1

Thank God they're protecting us from the bad endings, I don't know how I would manage if I found my protagonist in an uncomfortable situation.

Thanks, Europe. I really wanted my games to lose actual content. No seriously, that's great.

This is a silly change.

This is a bit different from censorship. They aren't censoring things here, this is flat out cutting content that seemingly has no real reason to be.

It isn't changing something people were offended by or could be offended by, and it clearly isn't the issue of potential deaths, seeing as that is a rampant thing in Fire Emblem Fates.

I don't know what the reasoning is, but this is a way bigger and way different problem.

I am not happy with this.

Still buying it, because I honestly would have looked up the "good" choices anyway, and not went for the bad ones. That said, THIS is something I support people getting mad about.

However, if Binari Sonori did the localization, people need to stop harping on Nintendo over it.

mahoupoint
Mon Feb 29 16 08:24pm
Rating: 1

With the popularity of Undertale, Disgaea, and games with multiple endings in general... this is terrible. this is worse than censorship. This is a ridiculous content cut.

Mon Feb 29 16 08:44pm
(Updated 1 time)

"I have no idea why this content would be removed from the EU version"

C'mon, we're in 2016, the SJW have won.

Of course they can't let you have the bad ending, because that would make you get traumatized. I mean, you played for hours and then you get the bad ending? That's offensive and it will traumatize certain groups of people. SJW can't let that happen.

There's no such thing as SJWs. Only people who reference SJWs to try to silence opinions they don't wish to confront.

That sounds like SJW-talk if you ask me.

Although I doubt this was the fault of SJWs, saying they "don't exist" is ... laughable really.

Completely agree. This seems to have nothing to do with SJW, but it's not like they don't exist. It's a pretty sizeable group, in fact. But it's just not one big straight group with one common unambiguous ideal, as if they all gather together and have meetings about what to get upset about next. It's more an umbrella term for people who overplay any form of social justice and see injustice where there is none.

My god whats going on with them ?

They are increasingly messing around with the games original visions.
Its really a bummer and a big turn off.

Supposedly Nin & the rest have gotten the Y2K bug that has been going around causing editions to the games they put out lately. Only way to fix this is if they start selling the early prototypes to them to satisfy our tastes.

kuro
Mon Feb 29 16 09:02pm
Rating: 1

Well based on some of the comments here, it confirms people will label "censorship" to anything.

Anyways I don't understand why they would cut away the bad choices. I assume these choices wouldn't matter for the main story, but if its like Xenoblade X were choices affects other side-quest, then this would be a stupid cut indeed.

You're correct; it is ridiculous how quickly (and with how little thought) people will roll out the censorship label.

Personally I find this concept silly--and I hope "silly" conveys how insignificant this whole thing is. But allow me to play devil's advocate for a moment. It doesn't sound like content is being cut. It sounds like originally you would take on a side quest, choose a side, complete it, but potentially get a bad ending based upon the choice, not on having failed the quest. Now you complete the quest and get a good ending. That's not cut content. It's silly, but that's all.

Maybe you should do some research before making claims, because yes, content has been cut because of this. You're literally missing out on things by not being able to pick a side. There are even a few posts about this in this thread

lazysprite
Mon Feb 29 16 09:34pm
Rating: 1

I wouldnt call this censorship but patronization and it sucks.

jayvir
Mon Feb 29 16 09:57pm
Rating: 2

Umm... why are people bringing up Nintendo here? Their Treehouse didn't touch the localization. Look to Square Enix and wag your finger. The localization team they hired botched this.

Because Nintendo are the ones publishing the game in the US… and Europe and Australia, but who cares??? Treehouse must have commissioned these changes, since they're full of SJWs that want to ruin games forever!!!!!!!!

Way to brush off a valid complaint with a ridiculous strawman.

This is a valid complaint. An incredibly valid one. I'm not exactly pleased to hear about this change, or any of the changes I've heard about in Bravely Second thus far. I was trying to poke fun at the people in this comments section who are using this example of bad localization to badmouth the people who have defended Nintendo's recent localization changes. It wasn't exactly a clever comment, in hindsight.

Ah, I think we all have these lapses. I sometimes look back on my comments too and think "DId I really say that? Wow, what an ass I was."

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donny2112
Mon Feb 29 16 11:28pm
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This is due to EU rules not allowing pressure for not making a choice that costs money. Guessing there's DLC for this game, and the DLC sidequests are what are restricted from having bad choices. This is the same reason why Nintendo never released Rusty's Real Deal Baseball in EU, because it has him be sad if you choose not to buy the mini-games. Same reason why the Streetpass DLC bunny is not sad when you choose to not buy the DLC like he's sad in the U.S. version.

tl; dr This is standard practice for DLC sidequests in EU. If it affects regular sidequests, too, then blame Nintendo for changing more than they needed to.

There is absolutely no DLC for Bravely Second, so some weird law about DLC in Europe can't possibly apply here.

nik
Tue Mar 01 16 03:33am
(Updated 1 time)

This is not censorship, this is basically "everyone gets a trophy day." I think it's stupid, but 'the west' as a society has been degrading into this idiotic way of thinking for a long time now, so I wouldn't be so quick to just point and blame the localisation.

Once again, this is Square-Enix's choice not Nintendo, so make sure you aren't throwing the blame the wrong way

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