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Lorne Lanning offers apology after Nintendo fans take issue with a comment concerning Satoru Iwata

A few days back, we shared a video interview with Oddworld creator Lorne Lanning concerning the Switch. Mr. Lanning discussed a number of topics, including some of the struggles Nintendo faced with the Wii U. In that video feature, Mr. Lanning made comment that some took offense to.

The biggest problem I see at Nintendo is the thinking. Personally, I think it killed Iwata; that he couldn't move the organisation into a really successful arena.

Those offended by the comment feel Mr. Lanning's words were either brash or poorly-chosen, in relation to the passing of Mr. Iwata. Lorne has heard that sentiment, and has offered up the following apology via Twitter.

Yesterday, a number of news outlets reported on a conversation I had while appearing on the GameOverGreggy show in April of this year. I would like to sincerely apologize for the poor choice of words concerning Satoru Iwata. My intention was certainly not to disrespect the great man, who I have long held with utmost admiration and respect and consider a hero in the industry.

My comments on Nintendo's current policies and practices as they pertain to the Switch's ecosystem, these are personal opinions. I state them, not to disparage anyone but to encourage what I believe would be a healthier ecosystem that would benefit all involved...platform holder, developer, publisher and, of course, gamer.

I feel Mr. Lanning's words were just poorly chosen, and he didn't mean any negativity towards Mr. Iwata. With that said, it's still nice to see Lorne take to Twitter to offer up an apology.

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rawmeatcowboy
Sat Jul 08 17 09:49pm
Rating: 7 (Updated 4 times)

Pachter has been open in various features and interviews with the fact that he sometimes says things to rile people up. I've always felt that Pachter knew exactly what he said in his Iwata comment, and only apologized because it blew up on quite a grand scale. That said, that's just my personal opinion. I shared his subsequent apology, and that was that.

Since Pachter is only sharing his insight or predictions, I continue to refrain from posting about him. If Pachter were to conduct an interview with anyone at Nintendo, or share statements that come directly from Nintendo, I would indeed report that news. If Pachter were to somehow be involved with making a game for a Nintendo platform, I would share that news as well. Since I have refrained from sharing Pachter commentary, I have yet to see anything like that.

I do not wish Pachter any ill will, and I do appreciate his apology. While many didn't like seeing Pachter's commentary on Nintendo due to its usually negative slant, I continued to share it for many years. That said, the reason his commentary doesn't appear on the site as of now is due to the Iwata situation, and not how he feels/talks about Nintendo as a company.

When it comes to Lorne, I truly believe this is a case of poor wording. I've known Lorne for a long time and talk to him via email quite frequently. Without sharing specific conversations or discussions, I can tell you Lorne is quite torn up over this situation. He's legitimately sorry about the entire thing, and never meant the statement to come out the way it did.

thedreaminghawk
Sat Jul 08 17 09:02pm
Rating: 2 (Updated 1 time)

Poor choice of words, that's for sure, but nothing too tragic IMO. He wasn't vicious about it in any way shape or form, and really the apology was all that's (hopefully) needed to solve the issue. Bad idea to use the word "Killed" as an adjective though considering how Iwata actually passed away and isn't someone still alive. (where the metaphor wouldn't be as offensive/out of place)

...So Pachter articles can come back to the site, right? They literally did the same offense and both apologized yet somehow Pachter's statement/opinion was so tragic that everything related to him is not on this site anymore even when he makes legitimate points. They don't have to be EVERYTHING out of his mouth, but at least stop the silly blacklisting over one minor statement that he apologized for. That would be like if you never covered an Oddworld game on the site ever again because of what Lorne said. It's just silly IMO

Very well written on both points.

But what exactly was Pachter's comment that got him "banned" from here?

He said that Iwata was "The Late but not-so-great" or something along those lines. Apologized quickly but somehow RMC felt that it was such a tragedy that no more statements of his will ever be shared with the site ever again. I think the fact that there were lots of people on the site who couldn't stand to hear a negative opinion on Nintendo was also a reason.

entity
Sat Jul 08 17 09:13pm
Rating: 1

Oh that comment. Sad. Gonintendo is supposed to be about Nintendo news in general. Pachter can be a d!ck for sure, but he does have some good points here and there.

RMC said Pachter news would be temporarily banned so it's possible he could bring back any news from Pachter. The catch would be would the GN community put up with it despite blacklists being available on the site? If the ban doesn't get lifted, this October would be one year since RMC ceased all Pachter coverage.

What was grating from Pachter is that he hardly ever had anything positive to say about Nintendo and every time he predicted doom and gloom for Nintendo, Nintendo either experienced the opposite or proved him wrong leading Pachter to double down on any anti-NIntendo predictions.

Sure I get it. Nintendo isn't a perfect company and they have screwed up here and there, but there are those that never want to give Nintendo benefit of the doubt despite always giving Microsoft and/or Sony the benefit of the doubt. It's the double standards some critics have that most Nintendo players take issue of.

That long time already? Crap how time flies when...I'm having fun.

I still say this is a Nintendo news site. Pachter should not be "Banned" because he is a douche. Keep that old warning for all I care, if that helps. Oh well... MY opinion.

rawmeatcowboy
Sat Jul 08 17 09:49pm
Rating: 7 (Updated 4 times)

Pachter has been open in various features and interviews with the fact that he sometimes says things to rile people up. I've always felt that Pachter knew exactly what he said in his Iwata comment, and only apologized because it blew up on quite a grand scale. That said, that's just my personal opinion. I shared his subsequent apology, and that was that.

Since Pachter is only sharing his insight or predictions, I continue to refrain from posting about him. If Pachter were to conduct an interview with anyone at Nintendo, or share statements that come directly from Nintendo, I would indeed report that news. If Pachter were to somehow be involved with making a game for a Nintendo platform, I would share that news as well. Since I have refrained from sharing Pachter commentary, I have yet to see anything like that.

I do not wish Pachter any ill will, and I do appreciate his apology. While many didn't like seeing Pachter's commentary on Nintendo due to its usually negative slant, I continued to share it for many years. That said, the reason his commentary doesn't appear on the site as of now is due to the Iwata situation, and not how he feels/talks about Nintendo as a company.

When it comes to Lorne, I truly believe this is a case of poor wording. I've known Lorne for a long time and talk to him via email quite frequently. Without sharing specific conversations or discussions, I can tell you Lorne is quite torn up over this situation. He's legitimately sorry about the entire thing, and never meant the statement to come out the way it did.

thedreaminghawk
Sat Jul 08 17 10:03pm
(Updated 2 times)

Even if he intended it to be like that... So what? It's an opinion, and as long as he wasn't acting wishing death upon anyone/acting violent, then it shouldn't really lead to a full site-wide ban of articles, especially when as a result it led to a few of his more reasonable statements about the switch being ignored on here. I loved Iwata a ton, but I know not everyone did, so for someone to not really be impressed by him... It's not really something out of this world to hear, since there are other people who were considered great that I don't consider remarkable at all.

I mean, sure, as I said before you don't have to share EVERYTHING he says... But IMO it's silly that you allow Thebitblock's content on the site despite his extreme personal opinions on twitter, (Which ARE violent in nature at times) due to him not acting that way in the videos themselves, yet when Pachter dared to say something out of the norm ONCE it led to all his statements and predictions being muted from the site even if they weren't spoken in the same sassy nature. It just seems silly to do.

If you still insist on getting rid of Pacther and not letting go of what he said almost a year ago, then at least find some other analyst who talks about Nintendo often from a neutral standpoint and feature his statements in place of Pachter. I think ReviewtechUSA would be a suitable replacement for him since he kinda has a neutral point of view when it comes to Nintendo, but that's just me. I'm sure you could find someone like him.

And yeah, I figured out that Lorne didn't mean it the way it was taken as. It doesn't seem like something he'd do on purpose. Still doesn't excuse my point though about how two guys said similar things yet one guy's statements get blacklisted because of it.

There are certainly things brought up by people in this comment section worth mulling over, which is exactly what I will do. Good to have all opinions and lines of thinking. I'm going to talk to a few people about the matter, get some more input, and see where we go from here.

I am fine with whatever decision you make when it comes to covering Pachter. As a longtime reader, I don't feel like I'm missing anything by you not covering his predictions anymore, but I also probably wouldn't be pissed off if you reversed course.

I'm at least glad you're willing to get more input on the matter and listen to feedback. I hope for the best for you guys.

This is the problem that occurs when an exception is made (Pachter) because it begs the question of to what extent these exceptions should be made (like you, many of us believe TheBitBlock is just as toxic if not more). Obviously I'd love RMC to cover everything regardless of "personal" opinion.

Lorne's case was absoloutly bad wording. Probably a "then and there" scenario. It happens with us all.

achter needs clicks. He is baiting, I understand that. But he is still a pretty big name in the gaming world. And as a news site you should keep your emotions a bit out of things. Oh an yeah, his comment was very annoying, and that not only to Nintendo fans, but gamers in general.

I had honestly completely forgot that Michael Patcher even existed... And I'd like to thank you for that.

Pachter is like the Fox News of video game reporting, nothing but bluster and hot air...even a broken clock is right twice a day.

moldyclay
Sat Jul 08 17 09:56pm
Rating: 4

Or the fact the context is very different?

Pachter was flat out calling Iwata "not so great" and used the "late" part as an attempt at a bad joke that also devalued all the great things he did beyond that. It was deliberately worded.

Lanning wasn't talking about Iwata as a person or making a joke, it was just a phrase that he didn't think about when he said it. Like he was saying "it must have been hard on Iwata that he couldn't fix the situation", but using the phrase "killed him" was just his not taking into consideration the way people might look at that phrasing.

There is a huge difference between the direction those phrases between those two people were going. Pachter may have apologized, but it was very clear he thought he was being clever, while Lanning just made a mistake by using a common phrase that is super easy to not think about when you say it.

YEah, I get it, he did it on purpose and he didn't apologize because he actually meant it, but to save himself. He was basically trolling. The interwebz world...

But can stress actually cause cancer? I can see a "perhaps how"...

Anyway, bar wording feom the guy. Don't think anyone at all in the gaming business actually had problems with Iwata as a person.

thedreaminghawk
Sat Jul 08 17 09:05pm
(Updated 1 time)

I don't think anyone in the industry had any problems with him either, outside of obvious internet commentors on some gaming websites calling for his firing on a daily basis just because, which I thought was really silly, both then and now. I mean, I don't care much for Kimishima in comparison (especially since he never appears in Directs or does much outside of being a business man at investor meetings) but even then I'm not calling for him to be fired or think he's doing anything to damage the company outside of not being as social as they used to (but since Monthly Directs SEEM to be coming back, that could be changing)

entity
Sat Jul 08 17 09:09pm
Rating: 1

The Wii U was a misunderstood console in many ways, but that was mostly Nintendo's (and a lot of Iwata's) fault. But as a person Iwata was truly charming and I think, and hope, that people didn't have any hatred towards him as a person. Quirky , funny gamer. Kimishima is pure business. But he sure seems to do a great job with Iwata's legacy, the Switch, when looking at sales.

macgruber
Sat Jul 08 17 09:18pm
Rating: 1

Apology accepted. He said a dumb thing in between many great points about Nintendo's business choices.

donzaloog
Sat Jul 08 17 09:25pm
Rating: 2 (Updated 1 time)

Poor choice of words by Mr. Lanning and also incorrect. Iwata brought Nintendo their most successful platforms of all time, Wii and DS. The 2nd best selling console and best selling gaming device period of all time respectively.

The Wii U is the only low mark on Iwata's reign and imo wasn't really that low of a mark because I love the console and Nintendo did some of their best work software-wise on that platform.

My greatest regret is that the last thing Iwata ever said to us was an apology for the poor reaction to the Metroid Federation Forces trailer reveal. So the last thing he saw from the Nintendo community was the overblown, vitriolic reaction to that game. That's a damn shame. He deserved better.

Let's also not forget that the he also contributed heavily in the Switch before he passed. He would have set games into motion to be released on it, and would have made a lot of decisions about the hardware direction. Kimishima also stated that he would not be deviating from the path that Iwata had set for the company. I like to see the Switch as his last hurrah before bowing out.

I agree. The Switch is Iwata's last project and has so far been a success.

necrochild313
Sat Jul 08 17 09:52pm
Rating: 2

He shouldn't have to apologize, he gave his assessment of the situation. You can disagree with him, but he didn't say anything offensive. What a world we live in.

He didn't have to apologize. He did it because he's a good person. He saw that some people thought his word choice was lacking a little in the respect department, so he stepped in and set the record straight.

I definitely agree that he didn't need to apologize, though. I knew he didn't mean it that way when I watched the video, but I think it says a lot about Mr. Lanning that he wanted to clarify what he meant.

I didn't bother too much about it because I knew from the start that its all his opinion alone.

That being said, people ought to be careful with what they say in public since the internet is out there to screw you...it happened to me once.

It sounds like something you'd say in close company, like a circle of friends. They'd get it and laugh it off if need be. But...on a public "forum" that's where it get real tricky.
Whether you believe he should've or not, he made the best call.

It's an understandable phrase but poorly chosen for the subject of onversation. You don't say really use it when the person has actually passed away.

It would be fine to say "Smash Bros killed Sakurai" meaning it took an enormous amount of work and effort.

While I don't agree with the outrage nor the need to apologise, it seems the clarification on the context was needed for some.

During a time when just about anything and everything is ok in the name of business and the almighty dollar, RMC's choice in this matter is a breath of fresh air.

It's not emotional people, it's called integrity!

nextlevelgod
Sun Jul 09 17 10:06am
(Updated 1 time)

That's not really a professional thing to say. Really screwed up.

I believe Lorne Lanning has an inferiority complex. He feels he should be a game developer god, but he is not. He has one made one product, one IP; which has not propelled career to said status, so he's bitter. He lashes at Nintendo, because it is what small people do. If he truly admires and respects Iwata, he and his company would have helped Nintendo hardware be successful by providing more third party support.
More to that point, Mr. Lanning can put his money where is mouth is and support the Switch 100% fully!

I was a big fan of both Oddworld games on PS1 but i have lost all respect for Lanning since the botched Wii U port of new n tasty. that version of the game is utter shit, a glitchy mess that kept crashing in me and even corrupted my save file before i could beat the game. The Vita version was better and that was on less powerful hardware. He hates Nintendo to begin with.

...Why would a game struggling to perform on a system that has issues running Unity games flawlessly be a sign that the guy hates Nintendo? That's the most absurd connection I've ever heard. Wouldn't it be more or less the system's fault for not being able to run the game well/the specific team who ported it, rather than it being one person?

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