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Nintendo explains why some third party titles haven't hit Switch, talks about Marvel Ultimate Alliance 3 excitement, and Nintendo's positive momentum

While the Switch is seeing more and more third party games, there are some titles the system has missed out on. In an interview with IGN, Reggie Fils-Aime explains why some of those big third party games haven't made their way to Switch.

“The way this industry works, games are in development for multiple years. People forget that Switch is only experiencing its second holiday. So many, many games that are just launching were well in development before any conversations were had with these developers regarding Nintendo Switch. It's difficult midstream to make significant changes in your development time table.

So absolutely, now that we've been in the marketplace coming up on two years, now that we've shown the pace with which we're growing an install base, and doing it globally, that's the other piece that is meaningful for developers. Our strength in the Americas, our strength in Asia, our strength in Europe is critically important. That's what creates the opportunity for developers to make sure their content is available on Switch at the earliest opportunity.”

One big third party game on the way is Marvel Ultimate Alliance 3. Reggie discussed the reaction to that title, and then lead into the momentum Nintendo platforms are seeing.

“Marvel Ultimate Alliance 3. I love the reactions. We go and we look at some of the videos of consumer reactions, really positive consumer reactions. We think that's going to be a really, really strong driver for us when that launches next year. We're also thrilled to see the strength of the independent developer community on display [at The Game Awards]. Celeste, Overcooked 2, both available on our platform.

So for us, it really exemplified the momentum we have and the strength of our business right now. Even our dedicated handheld business continues to perform well. The two Nintendo Classic systems out in the marketplace for this holiday. We are well positioned now, we are well positioned for the future. And it's going to be a lot of fun.”

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Plus Red Dead is boring and unfulfilling.

These games have not hit the switch for the same reason as they didn't the last few generations: Because the system isn't powerful enough and developers don't want the hassle of having to get their biggest AAA games running on it well enough to to them justice. If the Switch were as powerful as the other consoles then these games would be on it.

enthropy
Thu Dec 13 18 06:56am
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Reggie also forgot to say that the Switch is under powered and could bever run RDR2. There is no chance for such games. They will be back in the power race soon!

Plus Red Dead is boring and unfulfilling.

Haven't played it yet, so can't say anything to that.

acmiguens
Thu Dec 13 18 04:06pm
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It's kinda true. I actually put it aside to play other things. My most recent disappointment Sad

But it does not change the point. The Switch is underpowered for games like RDR2. Reggie can say what he wants, but that will not change facts.

I told you guys Nintendo will never reach that third party support.

Even with nvidia support, people still complain that the switch is underpowered and yet, games like botw can work fine.

BotW and RDR2 are two different games. The Switch has no chance running RDR2. Mayhap the Switch 2 will be of Xbox One tech and then... but by then the PS5 and NextBox will be out and we're back to square one. Nah. Nintendo will go back to the power races.

socar
Fri Dec 14 18 08:46am
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They will never make their systems powerful. The snes, and n64 are not even that powerful to begin with and even the GameCube to some extent wasn't powerful enough.

Nintendo has been struggling with third parties for decades. Inorder to really settle that struggle, they have to be on par with those other two..which won't happen because doing that means they have to ditch the family demographic and their level of innovation.

The N64 was a powerhouse compared to the PS1. Do you think the PS1 could run games like Turok, Shadow Man or, just for as an example, Mario 64? Never. Also heard the GC could do some things the the original Xbox coldn't.

The gaming world is changing a lot lately. The 3rd parties are dictating now the specs of consoles. That's why the XO and PS4 hae siilar tech. And wasnæt it Capcom who got Nintendo to use double the RAM in the Switch? Nintendo are also changing a lot. Iwata was behinf lowerpower consoles and it worked for the DS and Wii, but it's obvious that if Nintendo want the big hitter AAA gams, they HAVE to have a stronger platform. RDR2 and the new Ass Creed as no chance in Hell nor HEaven to work on the Switch. The Switch 2 is coming sooner than we think. Well that's my guess at least. They have to when the PS5/nextBox release. And they have to start to shorten the gap power wise or they'll loose 3rd parties again. I wouldn't be surprised to see them working on a hybrid system forwards, but perhaps with a more powerful base station that boosts the games a lot in TV mode. And yes, they are in competition with Sony and MS.

And what do family demographic and innovation have to do with a powerfull/weak console to do?

And what do family demographic and innovation have to do with a powerfull/weak console to do?

Because families don't care about specs. They only want to know "Will it work?" and if they can get hours from a game even if it's not pushing the limits of a system. If they're happy playing a game even if it's not looking the best it could be, they will buy it even if the system is underpowered.

The Wii showed this. Everybody wanted one (before homebrew became the reason everybody wanted one). If Nintendo ditches the blue ocean and goes looking for the red ocean, they'll find diminishing returns even when they can play everything right and bring out a future-proof console.

Nintendo could make the most powerful console for its era and 3rd parties would still snub them because "3rd party doesn't sell on Nintendo systems". No, shit doesn't sell on Nintendo systems, but 3rd parties will always find a way to snub Nintendo and Nintendo owners. The only way Nintendo can stay in the market is continuing to chase the blue ocean, because there aren't enough hardcore buyers to cover the blue ocean.

Nice that you ignored each and every one of my points!

Again. Tikes are changing and Nintendo will have to change with them. They know how much 3rd party support is needed, and for that support they have to shorten the power gap. I see it as inevitable . Their first party games can't always keep them afloat.

ngamer01
Sat Dec 15 18 10:44am
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Nice that you ignored each and every one of my points!

I only wanted to respond to your last question. Sorry for not picking up on your sarcasm.

Yes Nintendo needs help to round out release calendars because they can't do it all by themselves. The thing I'm saying is 3rd parties often don't want to help and want Nintendo to do it all first. And then when Nintendo does it all, 3rd parties say they have no place on Nintendo or say Nintendo's tech is too inferior (Activision supported the weak Wii but refused to touch Switch much with a 10-foot pole).

The double standards are sickening, but will continue to happen no matter what Nintendo does.

The only winning move here is not to play 100% to the hardcore (they're only a vocal minority) and continue chasing kids and families -- ie the blue ocean. Families are talking about the Switch and how good it is despite its shortcomings (though homebrew talk hasn't taken fully over...yet).

Anybody complaining about the current Nintendo market is what is called a PeripheryHatedom. Notice all the Nintendo examples on this page? All complaints from the hardcore, but a majority of the listed results were received positively by kids and families (except Paper Mario).

HEhe. We're getting somewhere here.

But thing is: Money talks! Specially now when games have become more expensive to make. And 3rd parties know that very well. So saying that "They hate Nintendo and will release bad ports or not make games for Nintendo" is, for me, not a valid argument. Nintendo do need 3rd parties, and now 3rd parties seem to need them. Because money! But then the power gap has to be smaller1!

To reply to your other post...

I see it as inevitable . Their first party games can't always keep them afloat.

And yet, their first party games are one of the highest grossing and are the main reasons why their systems sell well in the first place. Any switch owner you come across is likely to have either botw or SMO as their first game.

The N64 was a powerhouse compared to the PS1. Do you think the PS1 could run games like Turok, Shadow Man or, just for as an example, Mario 64? Never.

And yet the PS1 sold better. Also, the N64 still had limits despite its power such as less storage and not having the other features that their competitors had and the same goes for GC.

The gaming world is changing a lot lately. The 3rd parties are dictating now the specs of consoles. That's why the XO and PS4 hae siilar tech.

Any third party publisher is going to stick with PC & Mobile for the majority of the times. the only reason why consoles are still relevant isn't because of their consoles being powerful but simply because of giving options for consumers. If the consoles were so powerful, then why did they have revisions in the first place?

And wasnæt it Capcom who got Nintendo to use double the RAM in the Switch?

And they still don't make use of what they advised Nintendo to do in the first place.

Iwata was behinf lowerpower consoles and it worked for the DS and Wii

And he did a great move on that part. If those did not sell as they have now, Nintendo would have gone bankrupt and making them powerhorses would have burnt their pockets big time.

if Nintendo want the big hitter AAA gams, they HAVE to have a stronger platform

What would they need to make their consoles "powerful" exactly? get a better cpu and gpu which are far too costly to ask? Nintendo unlike Sony and Microsoft only have one brand and that is just Nintendo making games & toys.

The reason why Sony and Microsoft can make their consoles powerful is because they have other brands that make them money. Sony with their other divisions and Microsoft with Windows.

What does Nintendo have to compensate for them to make powerful hardware? None but their IPs and really, as long as their IPs sell like hotcakes, they are never going to be convinced to make powerful hardware unless the spec chips are cheaper.

Nintendo are also changing a lot.

Only when it comes to the software development and not hardware. The Switch was a vision that Nintendo was inspired when they made the Wii U which is technically switch only inferior.

The Switch 2 is coming sooner than we think.

Revisions are always going to happen no matter what happens. Nintendo will eventually make a revision inorder to increase the lifespan of the Switch. Name me one console/handheld that they have made that never had any revisions?

And what do family demographic and innovation have to do with a powerfull/weak console to do?

The family market is the main reason why they are still around here. Game boy, NES and SNES are perfect examples of this and the Wii and DS also is a great example to this.

If they decide to remove that demographic, their IPs would have become obsolete by now.

enthropy
Sun Dec 16 18 07:57am
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Nintendo have boatloads of money. They would not have gone bankrupt if the DS ad Wii did not sell, but I am happy they did sell well.

Now,! Again, the gaming world is changing and Nintendo have to change with it. Reggie talked about why RDR2 did not come to the Switch. It was all bull. The actual reason was that the Switch can't run the game. We all know that these games sell damn well. It's official. If Nintendo want these games on their consoles they HAVE TO make more powerful consoles. The Switch 2 will probably not be as strong as the upcoming PS5, but they have to shorten that power gap.

Yes! BOTW and SMO are great games. BOTW is one of my all time favs. And that after 30+ years of gaming. But you have to think about the more casual gamer. Those who want FIFA and CoD and "cool" games like GTA and RDR and, of course, CyberPunk (I had to add it personally). Those people are a big market. Nintendo wants to get more people to purchase their consoles then they need to tap into that market. And 3rd parties will not down port a such a big game to Switch.

And I still have no idea why lower specs=family and innovation.

Nintendo have boatloads of money. They would not have gone bankrupt if the DS ad Wii did not sell, but I am happy they did sell well.

And what would they have done if at all the consoles did not sell? Nintendo at the time was bleeding money and they weren't exactly the top during their times with the N64 and GCN. The only thing that made them profit was GBA and even that was not very powerful enough in the first place still being stuck with volatile memory and having mono sound.

The actual reason was that the Switch can't run the game. We all know that these games sell damn well. It's official. If Nintendo want these games on their consoles they HAVE TO make more powerful consoles. The Switch 2 will probably not be as strong as the upcoming PS5, but they have to shorten that power gap.

There are various multiplats that have different versions of one single game and depending on the quality of the games, they can either do well or sink. If RDR2 can't happen on Switch, either they have to give up on that or simply hire a dev to make a different game so that we can still experience the game but only different. Now that may not seem like a good solution but sometimes it works like Sonic Colors for example.

Porting every single AAA games on Switch is not possible and I somehow doubt that Switch 2 will make it possible because cost comes to play and it also depends on whether Nintendo's market wants such games on the go when they are not going to either spend time on them or if they just would prefer something where they have time to play.

But you have to think about the more casual gamer. Those who want FIFA and CoD and "cool" games like GTA and RDR and, of course, CyberPunk

What are you playing at? Those games are not casual games but rather hardcore ones and AAA games at that. Casual games are something like SMO or Kirby for example.

And I still have no idea why lower specs=family and innovation.

I just told you and so did the other that Nintendo wants to make their products as affordable as possible. Having the Switch being more powerful is gonna cost even more for Nintendo because you don't just get the console initself but you get a dock, Joy-cons(which are already pricey), and an adapter at that.

Just because Nintendo is rich doesn't mean they can overspend on something that may or may not work.

And what would they have done if at all the consoles did not sell? Nintendo at the time was bleeding money and they weren't exactly the top during their times with the N64 and GCN. The only thing that made them profit was GBA and even that was not very powerful enough in the first place still being stuck with volatile memory and having mono sound.

They actually earned money on the GC and N64. Was only the Wii U (and perhaps 3DS) they lost money on hardware. If I remember correctly that is.

There are various multiplats that have different versions of one single game and depending on the quality of the games, they can either do well or sink. If RDR2 can't happen on Switch, either they have to give up on that or simply hire a dev to make a different game so that we can still experience the game but only different. Now that may not seem like a good solution but sometimes it works like Sonic Colors for example

Sonic Colours does not need good specs. Less physics, shadows, sounds etc.. But there is no chance that RDR2 (which Reggie, in his PR way said that the devs didn't know about the Switch) can run on Switch. Some ports like DOOM work nice and dandy, but even there you can see how less it is compared.

Porting every single AAA games on Switch is not possible and I somehow doubt that Switch 2 will make it possible because cost comes to play and it also depends on whether Nintendo's market wants such games on the go when they are not going to either spend time on them or if they just would prefer something where they have time to play.

The "Nintendo market" is a fun concept. Yes, many Nintendo players want Nintendo games, but that is NOT my point. Many gamers these days want a console that hase all the games. The FIFA games, The CoD games etc and also the exclusives. Just look at the PS4! It's a beast within the gaming world and the sales are showing those reasons. And it's powerful enough to run Anthem, RDR2, Ass Creed etc etc etc. The Switch is NOT!

Oh and I look at FIFA and CoD as casual games. Just for the record.

I just told you and so did the other that Nintendo wants to make their products as affordable as possible. Having the Switch being more powerful is gonna cost even more for Nintendo because you don't just get the console initself but you get a dock, Joy-cons(which are already pricey), and an adapter at that.

All nice and dandy (again) but a more powerful console does not mean that there will be less family oriented games and innovation. I just don't get that argument. They can innovate and make family friendly consoles eve if more power is in them. And I think I paid basically the same for my PS4 and Switch.

I love my Switch and the games for it. And at times I rather have a game for Switch than on my PS4 (or XO), but the bog AAA games do not stand a chance to be ported to the Switch.

Bottom line: Wouldn't it be nice with a Nintendo console (be that a hybrid or not) that could play both Nintendo games, be family friendly, play 3rd party games, have about as good power as the others (doesn't have to be the exact) and be innovative? All at the same time!?

Botto, bottom line: Yeah! It would be!

They actually earned money on the GC and N64. Was only the Wii U (and perhaps 3DS) they lost money on hardware. If I remember correctly that is.

They made profit but they made losses for those as well and big ones at that. The fact that the DS and Wii won back most third party support is even surprising to say the least.

Sonic Colours does not need good specs.

Then why did the game have different versions in the first place?

Many gamers these days want a console that hase all the games. The FIFA games, The CoD games etc and also the exclusives. Just look at the PS4! It's a beast within the gaming world and the sales are showing those reasons. And it's powerful enough to run Anthem, RDR2, Ass Creed etc etc etc.

There's a thing called a PC that is far more powerful than any console because of one thing that consoles don't have which is called customize.

The only reason that consoles are relevant is exclusives and honestly, the PS4 has reasonable level of exclusive games that sold well hence why PS4 did well.

And the Switch will never be on par with PS4 or Xbox one simply because it was not meant to. Remember how horribly powerful the Vita was and that bombed? Does Nintendo really want to take that risk of making their system powerful like the Vita?

but a more powerful console does not mean that there will be less family oriented games and innovation. I just don't get that argument. They can innovate and make family friendly consoles eve if more power is in them. And I think I paid basically the same for my PS4 and Switch.

Yes it does because for every innovation Nintendo has requires research and that requires cost. Nintendo cannot do them all at once because their market cannot afford such products to begin with. Its already bad that Nintendo had to make their online service cheap to compensate for the quality of them. If they made it just as pricey as PS4 or xbox one and still had online issues, people would get angry at that.

To make a simple patent as the motion control already costed them a lot due to patent trolling etc.

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