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RUMOR: Nintendo approached Disney about adding Kingdom Hearts' Sora to Smash Bros. Ultimate, but was shot down

Disney just sounds like a Sora loser

Here's a heartbreaking rumor for both Smash Bros. and Kingdom Hearts fans, and it comes from former Game Informer editor Imran Khan.

On a recent episode of the Kinda Funny Gamescast, a discussion of Smash Bros. Ultimate comes up. According to Khan, Nintendo "approached Disney" about adding Sora from Kingdom Hearts to Smash Bros. Ultimate. You'd think the inclusion would be a match made in heaven, but apparently that's not the case.

While we don't have specifics on why the deal didn't go through, Khan speculates that Disney Japan was specifically responsible for blocking the character's inclusion. That's definitely a shame to hear, but hopefully Disney comes around some day.

If you want to hear the segment for yourself, you can listen in at the 26:50 mark below. The discussion goes on until about the 29 minute mark.

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fish
Fri Feb 07 20 06:58pm
Rating: 7

...How do you think any of the third party DLC fighters got added? Nintendo just waited for those companies to email them?

Disney is currently run by some of the worst people in America so it's not surprising. I will never forgive them for what they did to Epcot.

That's a bit of a hyperbole don't you think? I'm pretty sure the "worst people in America" are murders and rapists and school shooters and the like. The people at Disney are just business people.

Also this would have been Disney Japan sooooooo.......

Out of curiosity, what are your specific gripes with Epcot? Like I technically agree with you that they're making some bad decisions (although the worse decision was closing The Great Movie Ride at Hollywood Studios), but most of the problems I can think of predate the last several years; Journey into Imagination, Soarin', the closure of Innoventions, all that happened over a decade ago.

I'm not too sure about that. Nintendo hardly ever approach others for stuff. Only reason I can think of is Kingdom hearts but it's no longer PlayStation exclusive so...

fish
Fri Feb 07 20 06:58pm
Rating: 7

...How do you think any of the third party DLC fighters got added? Nintendo just waited for those companies to email them?

Thanks. Now I don't have to bother.

Yes! More or less. Anyone would love to have their characters in Smash so even if Nintendo approached people, they'd have been honoured.

I'm sure now its something like that. But it definitely wouldnt have always been that way. Companies care about how characters look. People using Mario to beat up their characters, is not as appealing as youd believe.

Isn't Sora a Square Enix character? It's not like they were trying to include Mickey Mouse... I'm not so sure i trust Imran on this one.

Disney owns full character rights to all original Kingdom Hearts characters. So it checks out in that regard.

There aren't many rumors I completely believe, but this one I have almost no doubt in my mind.

Both Square and Disney are usually very protective of their IPs. I can see Square letting up for Smash, but Disney, let alone Disney Japan? No way.

Too bad.

Nintendo and Disney also don't get along very well, for reasons I have never been very sure about. I had to laugh at this article because I've been joking about Sora for Smash Bros. for years (since Brawl as I can recall), but that's because I knew it would never happen because of that vague bad blood between them.

I do remember Disney going through a great deal of trouble just to have Bowser in Wreck-It Ralph, and Nintendo outright refused to let Mario be in it (though that was more due to the upcoming Super Mario Bros. movie, which I believe Universal is doing--though that didn't stop Sonic from being in Wreck-It Ralph despite him also having a movie in the works at the time).

Wreck-It Ralph came out like five years before any Mario or Sonic movie were being greenlit.

Meh. I haven’t been crazy about the inclusion of characters who have very little history with Nintendo. It just doesn’t seem right. Maybe Sora isn’t as bad a fit as Joker. At least with Sora a few of the spin off games came to Nintendo’s portables, right?

psi wind
Fri Feb 07 20 07:16pm
Rating: 1

The KH games on Nintendo systems were some of the most important games story wise.

Odd then that they wouldn’t have that important story elements in the mainline games. But my understanding is that the KH story is incredibly convoluted, so I guess I can see that.

The thing about Kingdom Hearts, perhaps more than anything else, is that the titles are incredibly misleading. All of the games, with the possible exception of Union X, are "mainline" games. (Kingdom Hearts III in particular is such an incredible misnomer at this point it makes 358/2 Days look like a normal title.) They all have important story elements and they all move the dial forward, so it's not really fair to say that they're excluding story pieces from certain games.

Also, in regards to your other comment: Sora has had more representation on Nintendo consoles than Cloud did when he got into Smash, so.

I’m not saying Cloud belonged either. At least it’s a better fit now since FFVII finally made it to a Nintendo system.

Chain of Memories and DDD are arguably as important plotwise as KH2. DDD is literally a prequel to III in that it takes places right after that game ends, so it's pretty substantial.

mystikoi
Fri Feb 07 20 07:20pm
Rating: 2

As a person that worked on Disney Infinity for a bit, reading this does not at all surprise me. Disney tends to be very Disney about their IP.

Thank you for your work, I loved Disney Infinity.

mystikoi
Sat Feb 08 20 12:02am
Rating: 1

Thanks! I was only there for a couple months as a design intern so the only thing I worked on that got released was Baloo. It was a lot of fun though!

Balooo is actually one of my favorite 3.0 characters! :D

NEver played a KH game, so I have very little to say about Sora. But then again, I have enevr played a Persona game and Joker's stage is one of my favourites in Smash Ultimate. Many people didn't even know who Terry was, but he still kicks ass as a fighter. If they would have given all the attention they did with other DLC characters it would probably have been a good addition in some way for plenty of people. Both KH fans and those like me. That goes for all DLC characters, and I hope they give the attention and detail to the next six.

Disney is pretty strict with their IPs just as Nintendo (I am still so surprised I am bit confused with the TW101 thing though... Seriously, what happened?) so I wouldn't be very surprised if true, but I think they could have gotten a good (and lucratie?) deal out of it...

But tis IS a rumour and we should look at it as such.

It'd be extremely difficult to get any sort of agreement for a Nintendo protagonist to be in a Disney production and vice versa as, for reasons I've never been sure about, Nintendo and Disney don't get along very well. it's a shame, as I believe Masahiro Sakurai and Tetsuya Nomura know each other, and if they could get an agreement, the rest of it would go very smoothly.

It's not a huge loss for me personally that Sora, or any Disney character really, doesn't come to Ultimate, but it sure could hve been a win-win situation. BUt such is business.

jd
Fri Feb 07 20 08:01pm
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If true then good riddance... there's too many PlayStation squatters in Smash as it is...

Also, Kingdom Hearts is way overrated... just saying...

Why not just pick Lara Croft? She would be far less work to get than Sora.

ridleysaria
Fri Feb 07 20 08:06pm
Rating: 1

Lara would be a great pick.

Or, you know, something that actually matters to Nintendo's history, like Terra Branford... or maybe Space Invaders (SE owns Two to FYI).

Because Kingdom Hearts's Nintendo history is better in comparison?

jd
Fri Feb 07 20 10:31pm
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Yeah right... four negligible side-stories (one a port, two remade for Playstation) and not a single main entry to speak of versus actual main entries... and in a timely manner no less... and, oh yeah, Space Invaders is just the granddaddy of gaming and all that... truly, Kingdom Hearts so much better s/...

Not sure what you mean but Tomb Raider has had more software on Nintendo systems.

jd
Sat Feb 08 20 01:34pm
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I'm saying if Kingdom Hearts were a grand banquet, Nintendo was given a glass of water, a stale roll and a basic side salad, as Sony gets the full meal and all the extras... not exactly amazing support... unless Nintendo really likes their second-class treatment...

And as for Tomb Raider, only six or so (or about 1/3 of the series) has actually appeared on a Nintendo console, half of them in the form of GB/GBA games, which are apparently considered spin-offs... we haven't seen a Tomb Raider game on a Nintendo system since the Wii, and not a single game in the new series... if they really needed another chick with guns they should look to their own and add Elma from Xenoblade X, who not only wields rule-abiding blasting pistols (as oppose to bullets), but a pair of swords and has all sorts of crazy abilities... not to mention drives a giant combat robot... way more options there...

Now Final Fantasy VI... it's old, but at least Square went out of their way to put it on Nintendo systems in a timely manner (twice), with no incentive beyond "it's just good business" and nothing Smash related... and Space Invaders? Including the compilations, there's more of those games on Nintendo systems then there are Kingdom Hearts and Tomb Raider combined... most of the games in the series has appeared on Nintendo systems, with at least six titles either exclusive or released first on Nintendo... heck, they even put Space Invaders on the Virtual Boy... also there's the fact that FF VI is still regarded as the best in the series by many and Space Invaders is super important to the gaming industry as a whole... honestly, if you think KH and TR are more qualified, you're not paying attention...

You are acting as if Lara Croft has not mattered to the games industry. Elma's not going to drive up game sales.

Also, what would a 2nd Final Fantasy character do? Wasn't Cloud enough?

jd
Sat Feb 08 20 03:29pm
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You are acting as if Lara Croft has not mattered to the games industry.

Even if it can be proven that Lara Croft is actually important to the game industry, importance to the industry as a whole should not come before importance to Nintendo... especially when the vast majority of that industry importance is completely absent from Nintendo.

Elma's not going to drive up game sales.

Implying there aren't people who want Elma in Smash or wouldn't buy Elma because she's Elma and not someone else... Xenoblade has lots of fans, and lots of people are buying the fighter DLC simply because it's fighter DLC. Furthermore, Smash Ultimate is already the most successful fighting game of all time... what does driving up game sales matter when you're already number one and still climbing anyways? Also, Byleth... are going to tell me that little addition was made to drive up sales? Or what about Pirahna Plant? I'm sure they were expecting to clear whole shelves with that one s/... for the most diehard Smash fan character DLC is character DLC, who is in it doesn't matter.

Also, what would a 2nd Final Fantasy character do? Wasn't Cloud enough?

Frankly, Cloud should have never been added to begin with... if any FF character should have been given that honor it's Terra... at least then we could say they added a FF character that likely deserved it...

Even if it can be proven that Lara Croft is actually important to the game industry, importance to the industry as a whole should not come before importance to Nintendo... especially when the vast majority of that industry importance is completely absent from Nintendo.

Oh but Banjo is? A character only revered by the Nintendo fanboy bubble? Okay. 👌

Xenoblade has lots of fans, and lots of people are buying the fighter DLC simply because it's fighter DLC. Furthermore, Smash Ultimate is already the most successful fighting game of all time...

How do you expect new customers to check out your game if you only have characters they don't care about? Other fighting games have guest characters so that more people buy the game outside of the core fanbase they'll always have. I can assure you the Terminator was not for Mortal Kombat fans in mind.

what does driving up game sales matter when you're already number one and still climbing anyways?

Why stop wanting to make more sales?

Also, Byleth... are going to tell me that little addition was made to drive up sales? Or what about Pirahna Plant? I'm sure they were expecting to clear whole shelves with that one s/... for the most diehard Smash fan character DLC is character DLC, who is in it doesn't matter.

Not at all. It was a ridiculous decision to add Byleth because the only purpose it to promote another game that some fans may not care for, and he's tried this several times already. You can't MAKE people care if they don't want to. Why can't Nintendo's own marketing be enough to sell the game? Lara's popularity was obviously organic.

jd
Sat Feb 08 20 07:42pm
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Oh but Banjo is? A character only revered by the Nintendo fanboy bubble? Okay. 👌

Banjo is... what? I said a character's significance to Nintendo should come before their significance to the industry as a whole and that's a pretty good description of the Banjo-Kazooie series... it's mark on the industry was fairly small, but within Nintendo it was huge... even after Microsoft got their hands on it they don't really do much with it... the history it made on Nintendo remains the majority of the franchise...

How do you expect new customers to check out your game if you only have characters they don't care about? Other fighting games have guest characters so that more people buy the game outside of the core fanbase they'll always have. I can assure you the Terminator was not for Mortal Kombat fans in mind.

Are you trying to imply the only way Nintendo can expand their base through Smash is to include third-party characters that have little or nothing to do with Nintendo?

Not at all. It was a ridiculous decision to add Byleth because the only purpose it to promote another game that some fans may not care for, and he's tried this several times already. You can't MAKE people care if they don't want to. Why can't Nintendo's own marketing be enough to sell the game? Lara's popularity was obviously organic.

The point I'm trying to make is that people still buy the DLC... even with promotional characters and minions and other such characters whose popularity and recognition pale in comparison to others... so picking popular Playstation characters over less-popular Nintendo characters isn't going to make that huge a difference...

Banjo is... what? I said a character's significance to Nintendo should come before their significance to the industry as a whole and that's a pretty good description of the Banjo-Kazooie series... it's mark on the industry was fairly small, but within Nintendo it was huge...

Metal Gear had fewer games on Nintendo consoles than Tomb Raider does now, before Snake was put into Super Smash Bros. Brawl. The same can also be said for Street Fighter and Bayonetta.

even after Microsoft got their hands on it they don't really do much with it... the history it made on Nintendo remains the majority of the franchise...

Yeah you don't think that's not going to change now that they know there is a fanbase that they could sell a new game to? They played Nintendo like fools.

Are you trying to imply the only way Nintendo can expand their base through Smash is to include third-party characters that have little or nothing to do with Nintendo?

How does she have nothing to do with Nintendo when Sora has less to do with Nintendo?

The point I'm trying to make is that people still buy the DLC... even with promotional characters and minions and other such characters whose popularity and recognition pale in comparison to others... so picking popular Playstation characters over less-popular Nintendo characters isn't going to make that huge a difference...

Tomb Raider actually released on Sega Saturn in Europe first, so that's not true. People still buy the DLC well they'll only pay $6. Any gamer who is excited for their favorite character in Smash Bros. would have to pay for the console and the game as well.

enthropy
Fri Feb 07 20 09:22pm
Rating: 1 (Updated 1 time)

Terra in Smash has been a dream for long now....

I have talked about what her final smahs would be like (perfect) but still unsure of the stage. NArshe somewhere, I guess.

I wouldn't be surprised if this was the case, but for some reason I don't put much into rumors or "inside information" Khan gives. He gives me the vibe that he just says stuff so that it looks like he is in the know.

Oh how I wish Sora was in though. My most wanted character

Fri Feb 07 20 09:36pm
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I have been joking about Sora being in Smash Bros. for quite a while now, so I got a kick out of this.

Giving it some thought:

Sora has a fighting style that lends itself well to Smash Bros., even if Donald and Goofy aren't in it and we stick strictly with Sora and his Keyblade. He uses the Keyblade like a sword and can cast the standard Final Fantasy magic spells (Fire, Thunder, Blizzard, Cure, Stop, Gravity, as well as the KH-only Balloon), has a lot of options for a mid-air upwards move for an up special, and has a lot of flashy auto-combo moves, as well as a lot of cinematic moves (especially from Kingdom Hearts III) that could work as a Final Smash. One possibility that opens Sora up to be the deepest character in Smash Bros. yet (but would almost certainly get him banned in tournaments without extra rules) is that Sora can use many different Keyblades, each with their own reach, damage, magic capacity, and other miscellaneous bonuses or drawbacks.

Kingdom Hearts is also full of locations suitable for a Smash Bros. stage--top of the list for me is Traverse Town, as it's a setting original to Kingdom Hearts, a lot of important things happen there, it looks nothing like any existing Smash Bros. location (think nighttime medieval fantasy town infused with a bit of steampunk and a lot of Disney), and it's canon that it changes topography giving an excuse for the stage to shift around.

Also, Yoko Shimomura is already on the Smash Bros. music team.

Most Disney characters should be in public domain by now but considering how Disney twists the rules for their own benefit we all suffer with having to beg them to use their precious IPs.

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