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RUMOR: Nintendo looking into mini-LED screen for Switch revamp

Yep, the rumors return

Yep, we're talking Switch Pro rumors once again. The rumor that just won't go away is back, and this time we have some supposed insight into the screen Nintendo will be using.

According to the Economic Daily News, Nintendo will be u sing a mini-LED display from the Taiwanese company Innolux Corporation on a Switch revamp. Going with a mini-LED screen over the current LCD screen the Switch/Switch Lite uses should allow for a better picture overall, and could pave the way for improved battery life as well.

Just to be clear, this is not a smaller screen, despite the mini-LED name. Don't think of this as some sort of Switch mini. It's just a term for the screen itself, and doesn't indicate an even smaller form factor for the rumored Switch revamp.

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Mon Oct 26 20 04:57pm
Rating: 1 (Updated 3 times)

I could see them going this route for the next major console, but not as an iteration to the current family of consoles.

I’m still in the camp that there won’t be a Switch “Pro”.

For certain though, the next Nintendo console needs to be backwards compatible with Switch, and digital purchases need to carry over. They’ve gained back a ton of audience with Switch and maintaining backwards compatibility will encourage people to upgrade to the next system. It’s less of a hurdle to get a new system if you know your existing library of games follows with you.

I agree with the backwards compatibility need. The Switch starting from scratch made sense. It couldn't play 3DS or Wii U games.
But if we do get the backwards compatibility, we need (at least in part) to thank Microsoft. They began making this a real thing for modern consoles in 2015 and now have caused Sony to follow suit (Sony basically called it a stupid feature back then). Let's hope that by the time the Super Switch (I know, I'm very creative) comes out, it's something considered a standard feature and not a bonus.

As for the "Pro". All I know is that they're always making new hardware, be it a remodel and/or a new system, so we may get a new model next year once the next gen dust has settled. But I only expect "small" improvements. No more drift, screen resolution at 900p (dream: 1080p) and improved performance to make framerates and dynamic resolutions more stable, a more resilient kick-stand. Even the battery life seems to be great on the new models, so even if it stays the same it's still a nice thing.
But the "Pro" people are dreaming that sounds a lot more like a new hardware than a pro revision, that I agree we won't get

imperator karorusu
Mon Oct 26 20 08:07pm
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Exactly, there is a great chance of Nintendo releasing a revision Switch with improvements à la New 3DS XL. The people betting on a bulky home-only console with 4K resolution with similar specs to a PS5 are betting against Nintendo's very principles of console design.

Now, I only see the Switch's successor getting backwards compatibility if it is hybrid too. And let's be real, BC is cool and else, but more often than not it isn't a big factor when sales are concerned. The PS4 eclipsed the PS3 with ease, while the Wii U failed to be attractive (besides, I wouldn't thank Microsoft for anything lol, I mean, the Wii U was the only console with true and complete BC of this Gen).

Hey ho, Imp! I may call you Imp, right? Smile

The people betting on a bulky home-only console with 4K resolution with similar specs to a PS5 are betting against Nintendo's very principles of console design.

Not that many think this will happen, but they were a part of the power wars too. All until the GC. And technlogy is getting "trickier" these days. But it really does look like they will keep pushig the hybrid design for some time. But the "power gap" is getting smaller. Or better said games wont have such graphical leaps as they had before. It'll be interesting anyway what comes of this.

(besides, I wouldn't thank Microsoft for nothing lol, I mean, the Wii U was the only console with true and complete BC of this Gen).

People are becoming religious about MS these days. I even see people hinting at that Ninty AND Sony are doomed because of Gamepass... Smile

Not that many think this will happen, but they were a part of the power wars too

Yeah, sure, and I remember well the GCN's years with cutting-edge graphics in Star Fox Adventures, Metroid Prime, RE 4, etc., but right now YouTube is blooming with Switch Pro rumours with 4K60fps games despite Nintendo focusing more on gameplay innovations and power efficiency than on overclocking performances. I don't see Nintendo changing direction anytime soon.

And you're right about the graphical leaps. Sony and MS fans act like their games are on another league, but the difference is minimal from the Switch.

Ah, and about MS' following, I guess their marketing is finally working. Gamepass would only doom the competition if Nintendo and Sony were both stupid to accept their proposal of having Gamepass on their console. MS is so lame that their strategy is to become a parasite in other platforms LOL.

Since the gap is smaller and smaller, I think Ninty can get closer to the power race again with some smart chipsets and getting rid of bottlenecks, fatser RAM etc.

but the difference is minimal from the Switch.

That's taking it a bit far, but it's not the WiivsPS360 difference at least. Of course better CPUs for AI and the lot is also very importent for modern games. It's not just bout the graphics.

I just hope Nintendo will add some easy, yet very good VR. Mario KArt, F-Zero, PilotWings, Star Fox etc... Nintendo should, in general, do their own thaang as they always do =)

YEah this "Gamepass is the promised land pf gaming and Spencer is gaming's Messiah" is getting a bit boring now. It'll calm down soon enough though =)

And you're right about the graphical leaps. Sony and MS fans act like their games are on another league, but the difference is minimal from the Switch.

If you think the difference in graphics between the Switch and next gen consoles is minimal then you may need an eyesight test. The Switch is not much more powerful than the Wii U and that was slated for being last gen when it launched. The success of the Switch is because of its portability. If it was a dedicated home console it would have flopped, if it was a handheld only it would have succeeded. It's a portable with TV out. Nintendo never muddied the waters before because they never had only one system before the Switch. Everything about the Switch is compromised to its portability use.

I may be in the minority, but I want to see a powerful Nintendo home console. We haven't had one since the Gamecube. Nintendo can do it, there's no reason why they can't, or succeed at the same time. I've been looking at Wii U level graphics on Nintendo hardware since 2012, which wasn't a big leap at the time over PS3 or XB360. It's 8 years so far and Nintendo want to do this for another few at least.

Nintendo have been able to pull some tricks with graphical styles, BOTW looks gorgeous, but it has that style to hide the weakness of the hardware. I don’t see how Metroid Prime 4, whenever it's shown is going to wow people on Switch if it goes for a realistic style. The original Prime could impress on Gamecube because the hardware was pretty much on par with the others.

Specs-wise, of course the Switch is not on the same level as its competitors. I have played on the PS4 and Xbox One with friends and cousins many times, but I haven't seen any huge difference from what the Wii U and Switch can do. Sure, there is some difference, better lighting and resolution, but it's not an unsurmountable gap by any means. I'm speaking for myself, of course, so feel free to pay for my eyesight test. That's a matter of perception, anyway, and what matters to me is if a game looks good, not what the spec sheet says.

I wouldn't have any problem if Nintendo did a more powerful hardware, but to be frank, they keep delivering beautiful games, so I'm confident on what they can do with their consoles, including MP4's case.

Sorry, I thought you meant you couldn't see much difference between the upcoming next-generation consoles and Switch. Still though, whenever I watch comparison videos of Switch and say PS4, the differences for me are very noticeable. It depends on how ambitious the game in question is.

The PS4 eclipsed the PS3 with ease

The PS3 had an awful launch in a much more competitive market. The Wii sold better from day one and the 360 had a 5 million head start, cost at least $100 less, had more games, and third-party games ran better on it in the beginning.
The PS4 was fighting a dead Wii U and an Xbox One that sabotaged its own launch. Given that, I'd say those are two really different scenarios. Let's see how the PS5 will fare against a strong Switch and a strong Microsoft.

I wouldn't thank Microsoft for nothing

So you would thank them for something, good to know ;)
I'd look closer at how Microsoft approached backwards compatibility, my friend. If you're a busy person, just google how Final Fantasy XIII runs on the One X when compared to its original release.
Also, Wii U is last gen. Died in 2013, buried in 2017

360 had a 5 million head start
Because they released the damn thing a year before... Problem there is that it ws rushed and the arcade version was a joke..And all the RROD...

But I got my 360 elite and love it to this day. Still have it (DUH, you know I do). Their best console with ease.

Well, the PS1 came out 2 years before the N64, the PS2 one year before the Xbox and the GameCube. It happens Smile
Yes, the arcade version was a joke. The red ring of death was awful. But the PS3 Phat was also a joke and the yellow light of death was awful as well.
I still have my PS3 Slim (best blu-ray player I've ever seen) and I love it. Also think it was their best console. The PS3 Super Slim was another joke.
Wish I had a 360 Elite ;)

Thanks for noting my typo.

I wouldn't say people bought the 360 and the Wii for the sake of backwards compatibility though. Motion controls helped the Wii and the 360 had a good start due to lack of competition. And it had the Kinect later, of course.

I'd look closer at how Microsoft approached backwards compatibility, my friend. If you're a busy person, just google how Final Fantasy XIII runs on the One X when compared to its original release.

I wasn't discussing performance, btw. That doesn't change the fact that it is not a complete BC with the previous consoles' libraries and in some cases you're simply downloading the game instead of playing it from the disc itself.

And the Wii U is part of the 8th Gen, like it or not.

Well, the Series X|S plays all One games that don't require Kinect (so it can't run a couple of bad games) + almost 600 360 games + about 40 or 50 OG Xbox games. It may not be 100% of one system, but it has a much wider range. Nintendo's backwards compatibility is solely based on having hardware from the previous system inside the new one.
But hey, if 100% of one system is better for you than a wider range of games that actually run better and look better, that's your prerogative Smile
Also, all games outside Nintendo are installed on the HDD or SSD nowadays. If that's a turn off for you, again, your prerogative

And the Wii U is part of the 8th Gen, like it or not.

Nintendo is completely out of sync with the other systems released in terms of equivalency in horsepower, hardware structure and time. If you want to stick to antiquated notions of generations in this regard, be my guest. But explain this to me, if the Wii U is 8th gen akin to the PS4 and Xbox One and neither of those have been succeeded, wouldn't that make the Wii U current gen? But how can it be current gen if the last major release was 3 and a half years ago? And since the Switch is 9th gen, does that make it next gen? Because it can't be current, because 8th is current. But how can it be next, if it has been on the market for 3 and half years?

Looking forward to your clarification on this matter Smile

On the first point, yes, having absolute compatibility is better than having compabitility just with the games the console manufacturer has selected, I don't see how that can even be an argument pro-XOne pseudo-BC. I don't really know about these performance improvements, but I would say it doesn't matter. Past games were meant to run under certain specs, and what I expect when playing them is that will run as they were meant to. If being able to increase fps ratio is so important to you (it's irrelevant to me), use a PC.

And yes, I would rather have my games run from the physical media. Call me old-fashioned if you will. But calling that backwards compatibility can only be accepted as a figure of speech. It's basically a Virtual Console where you use the disc like it was a download code.

On the second point... what? You aren't making any sense. The Wii U's flopping doesn't change its standing. It's like saying the Dreamcast wasn't a 6th Gen console as well. By that logic the OG Xbox One (prior to OneX and S) would be a last gen console as well. Gens are defined by the games running on a console. Both the Wii U and the Switch are from this current gen, in case you don't you know.

But I answer your convoluted question with a simpler question: If the Wii U isn't from Gen 8, then is BotW a past-gen game? I would love to read your clarification.

I don't see how that can even be an argument pro-XOne pseudo-BC

Maybe you should get your eyes checked then. Their approach of BC on the XOne led to their much larger support of it on the Series X|S, which led to Sony having to embrace it (though not as well), which could lead to it finally becoming an industry standard, which would benefit us once Nintendo adopted it indefinitely. To make it clearer than this, only with a drawing.

Past games were meant to run under certain specs,

Oh yes. Please tell me you only play older games on a CRT TV, I beg you. I mean, it baffles me that Phil Spencer is not in jail for doing what he did. Getting old games to play in higher resolutions, with HDR and a steady framerate, at no add
itional cost? The nerve of that guy.

I would rather have my games run from the physical media. Call me old-fashioned if you will.

So I guess PC, PS4, One are completely out of the question for you. Or anything going forward. And indie games. Heck, if you're such a purist for the games having to run from the physical media, go all in. Never download patches again. DLC? Forget about it. I mean, you don't want to be a hypocrite, do you?

By that logic the OG Xbox One (prior to OneX and S)

Different models from the same console are same gen. Otherwise we would be much farther ahead than 8th to 9th.

"Both the Wii U and the Switch are from this current gen, in case you don't you know."
So your logic is that Nintendo has two systems that didn't co-exist in the same gen? You are free to follow that logic. I won't, I wouldn't want us both to be wrong Smile

"But I answer your convoluted question with a simpler question: If the Wii U isn't from Gen 8, then is BotW a past-gen game? I would love to read your clarification."
Ahhh, you answer by not answering. You should consider a career in politics Smile
But since I am not afraid of answering questions, I'll answer yours this time. But keep in mind. You don't answer my previous question in your next reply I will consider it your forfeit.

The BotW situation is akin to other games that released before. Let's look at Twilight Princess first. It came out on the Wii and the GameCube. Both consoles with extremely similar horsepower, graphics and games, but are different generations (was it too subtle for you?). The game was a cross-generation game. It released in both, though unfortunately not at the same time.
Another example is Assassin's Creed Black Flag. It released on PS3, 360, PS4, XOne and Wii U. So it released on all consoles out at the time. It released on two different generations, making it also a cross-gen game. The same will happen this year with AC Valhalla.
There are other games where this happened, but I think those 3 are enough.
Now, the Wii U was a console from the same gen as the PS4 and XOne, may it rest in peace. So when you consider that it was dead and buried in 2017 AND that a new system from the same manufacturer took its place, the Wii U can be labeled last-gen as far as Nintendo is concerned. BotW itself is still a cross-gen game since the Switch is alive and kicking.

See, I answered your question. So I expect you to answer mine from the previous post + a new one.
In which generation does the 3DS fit? Think not only about that, but why I even asked this question.

have a pleasant day

In fairness, Nintendo was always good with backwards comparability, especially in their handhelds. The current handheld could always play the previous’ games. Not bad consider they are cartridge based systems where the form factor of the carts changed.

They’ve been good with BC on consoles too. The Wii could play GC games and the Wii U could play Wii games (technical also GC but they didn’t put a disc drive in to handle the smaller discs).

It must be said that BC eats into their ability to sell you an old game again so there’s that to consider. And Nintendo likes to sell you old games a lot more than anyone else but the demand is always there.

Imagine having to repurchase all the apps or media on your phone every time you got a new one (in the same family)? If the next Nintendo console uses ARM and NVIDIA there’s no technical reason why all your Switch games can’t move over and run there on day 1.

When it comes to handheld they were always great. Especially on the original DS model. That was out of this world.

On console other companies did it before them. Also, remember that not all Wii models played GC games.

Nintendo does like to resell their games. But if you look at the amount of remasters/remakes that were released during the generations of the Wii and Wii U, you'll see that companies such as Sony, Ubisoft, Capcom, etc released a lot more older games in a new package. I'm not counting VC in this because it would have been impractical to expect the Wii and Wii U to run NES cartridges, for instance.

If the next Nintendo console uses ARM and NVIDIA there’s no technical reason why all your Switch games can’t move over and run there on day 1.

Agreed! And with MS and then Sony making it standard in their new systems, it would look bad not to do the same.

Ninty said they want to keep the Switch alive for at least 7 years. Sp a Switch "pro" is, in that case, inevitable. But why shouldn't a Switch 2 be BC with Switch if they want the Switch approach to be standard, which they have also been been hinting at (the hybrid solution)? If it's based on the same tech and has similar features BC is the big LIKE DUH moment. YEah, Wii/GC, WiiU/Wii, 3DS/DS. They already started the trend ;)

But what the "pro" ill be is the issue at hand here. Will it just be a "New Switch". Or will it have improved GPU/CPU and added RAM to really boos it, but not making it an entirely new console? Will they add new features like VR(they have the best IP for VR)? Can we just change the "base pad" and use joy-cons, pro controller or even dock? Or will it have a new dock that can boost home console mode on TV? More interna storage is an absolout give, though Smile

iirc, mini-LED is still a pretty expensive technology. That’s surprising for a Nintendo harware, even for a "pro" one.

swarmster
Mon Oct 26 20 06:33pm
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I think you’re thinking of micro-LED, which up to now is very expensive. In micro-LED, each sub-pixel is replaced with a very small coloured LED.

Mini-LED is just an industry term for higher-resolution local dimming of the backlight. It is enabled by somewhat smaller LEDs, but they just further divide the backlight vs a standard “LED” TV, in an attempt to improve contrast in certain types of scenes.

What ever happened to the IGZO displays from Sharp I believe? Are these the same or different?

We need a Switch Pro yesterday. With next gen coming very soon Switch will lose all third party support if it doesn't have a more powerful model. They should bundle it with a AAA third party game exclusive to switch pro models only

kcst
Mon Oct 26 20 05:07pm
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Who would want to make a AAA game for such a small install base?

ngamer01
Mon Oct 26 20 06:20pm
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When you refuse to build a market, you don't grow the install base. It's been shown time and time again that Nintendo cannot grow a market for 3rd parties. 3rd parties need to accept that they need to build markets on Nintendo. Nintendo cannot give them a market.

The problem is 3rd parties are lazy and don't plan on evergreening their titles. If they don't see like 10 million sales on day 1, their games are considered a flop and drop all Nintendo support. With no 3rd parties, there's no drive to grow the install bases for Nintendo. With no support, Nintendo will be forced to overextend itself trying to develop games.

If you think this coronavirus-dented output of Switch games is bad this year, if 3rd parties bail on Nintendo at a moments notice, Nintendo will be forced to rush out the next upgrade/sequel system before its ready a la Nintendo 3DS and Wii U.

We don't want the Nintendo Switch Pro to have a 1/2-off price cut a la 3DS otherwise people will stop buying Nintendo consoles on day 1 and wait for sales. Poor sales = poor to no support from everyone even if Nintendo makes a powerful system to be able to handle said games.

To get the same games as PS5 and Series X you're not talking Switch Pro, you're talking Switch 2
Just wait and see the Switch still outselling both new consoles this holiday quarter ;)

benmully
Mon Oct 26 20 05:25pm
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The Switch pro won’t be 4K or mini led, it’s not in Nintendo’s nature to go high tech and expensive. It will be a tweaked case with more powerful processor, ala new 3DS.

I don't know if I should get a revamped Switch unless there is an incentive to do so. If they make it that certain first-party games will be exclusive to it, that's probably my only reason to get it.

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